Sailing 20mph winds in a 25' or less sail boat

Sailing 20mph winds in a 25' or less sail boat

Post by Wayne 23' Eclipse / Pensacola Fl. US » Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Well gang,

March is here, and the sailing this time of year in Pensacola is as usual
unpredictable but exciting.  Those 20+ mph gusts really get your heart
pounding if you are in a smaller boat.  I'm talking bay sailing here.  

I was out a few weeks ago and the NOA weather report was for winds West /
Southwest 10 - 17 with gusts up to 23 mph.  I think some of those gusts
were a little higher.  I did learn that "on my boat", if the "sustained"
gusts get much over 23mph and I'm flying a reefed (first point) and a
working jib. The wind tends to over power the rig and the boat tries to
run. It's always nice to learn your boats limits and not break something. I
did drop the jib eventually and run all the way home on a reefed main. I do
need to look into another set of reef points for my main.

Started to go out again today, the wind blowing out of the East  with the
usual 20 mph + gusts. I got out on the bay and realized that if the
situation got any rougher I probably would not be able to get home as the
wind would be on the nose. In my experience, if the chop gets to bad an
outboard is useless. So I packed it in and motored back in.

Now here is the question you all have been holding your breath for !    I
know there are some of you sail jocks out there who prefer higher winds.
Say 20mph or so, in 25 ft or less blasted sail boats. I am courious as to
how you manage getting into or out of your slip or trailer in these
conditions.

At this time a friend is loaning me dock space on a very sheltered canal.
But where the c***dumps into Perdido Bay is so shallow that many times I
have to crank the swing keel all the way up just to get through. Naturally
this is a rather narrow slot to run.

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Sailing 20mph winds in a 25' or less sail boat

Post by SIJack » Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I sail a 25-ft C&C on the Chesapeake.  Draws 4-ft.  We get some high winds now
and then and I tend to sail in just about anything.  My particular boat does OK
in winds up to about 30 kts and then I'm ususally under a small storm jib and
reefed main.  Sometimes, like you, I'll just sail with one sail up.  I find the
height of the seas to be a greater factor than wind speed.

Your question about getting in out of a slip in high (cross) winds is a good
one.  I imagine we've all had our problems in such conditions.  A fore or aft
wind is not a problem for me as I can stop my boat pretty well with the motor
and a spring line dropped over a winch.  In high cross winds I find that I have
to keep up more power than I would like.  I tend to come in as close to the
windward piling as I can get.  I drop a stern line of a fixed length over a
cleat.  Since I sail alone frequently, I then try to get the bow line secured
as quick as I can before it falls off very much.   I've found that practicing
in open water is a help in improving your estimates of how your boat will be
affected by cross winds.  Hope this helps.

PS:  I've also wrapped my slip pilings with old carpet and rigged a number of
fenders along the dock to keep the gelcoat nicks to a minimum.

 
 
 

Sailing 20mph winds in a 25' or less sail boat

Post by Jonathan E. Ga » Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I guess the biggest issue is not putting your freeboard against the wind
until the last possible moment. Other than that, the only suggestion is
to keep your fenders and lines handy.

Jonathan

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Quote:
>Now here is the question you all have been holding your breath for !    I
>know there are some of you sail jocks out there who prefer higher winds.
>Say 20mph or so, in 25 ft or less blasted sail boats. I am courious as to
>how you manage getting into or out of your slip or trailer in these
>conditions.

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Sailing 20mph winds in a 25' or less sail boat

Post by Myles J. Swif » Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> (snip)
> Say 20mph or so, in 25 ft or less blasted sail boats. I am courious as to
> how you manage getting into or out of your slip or trailer in these
> conditions.

> At this time a friend is loaning me dock space on a very sheltered canal.
> But where the c***dumps into Perdido Bay is so shallow that many times I
> have to crank the swing keel all the way up just to get through. Naturally
> this is a rather narrow slot to run.

> In my case the marina is out of the main wind. I get out of the marina with a 3 hp electric motor, raise the mizzen and sheet it tight,then raise the main. Coming in I stall it about 100 yards upwind of the marina opening, drop the main, and come in on the mizzen. If there is no traffic I have enough carry to get to the slip. If not, I turn on the electric wind while maneuvering in the marina.

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Sailing 20mph winds in a 25' or less sail boat

Post by PZuehl » Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:00:00

In the past I sailed a Venture 21, (swing centerboard) sloop out of Ventura, CA
where the summer PM winds often hit 15 to 20 knots.  Because the centerboard is
short, the boat twists around and even if I thought the sails were balanced, it
was very hard to get where I wanted to go at times.  You might try using the
helm of the sails to help you, i.e. when running downwind sail under jib only.
When going to weather sail with main only.  When it really gets bad, use the
outboard but keep the main or a reefed main up to steady the boat, and so keep
the prop in the water more.  (Of course drop the main before heading into a
downwind slip.)

Peter

 
 
 

Sailing 20mph winds in a 25' or less sail boat

Post by Robert Bethun » Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:00:00

In a lot of places, the harbor or marina is sheltered, and the 20+ knot
winds are offshore.

In one case, for example, I was dealing with 30+ knots--not by
choice--offshore but once I got close to shore, the wind dropped off a lot
and was very mild by the dock.
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Quote:
> I guess the biggest issue is not putting your freeboard against the wind
> until the last possible moment. Other than that, the only suggestion is
> to keep your fenders and lines handy.

> Jonathan

> --
> http://www.pacintl.com/sailing.html

> >Now here is the question you all have been holding your breath for !  
I
> >know there are some of you sail jocks out there who prefer higher winds.
> >Say 20mph or so, in 25 ft or less blasted sail boats. I am courious as
to
> >how you manage getting into or out of your slip or trailer in these
> >conditions.

> --

 
 
 

Sailing 20mph winds in a 25' or less sail boat

Post by Wayne 23' Eclipse / Pensacola Fl. US » Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Interesting thought, I will have to play with this idea
Thanks



Quote:
> When going to weather sail with main only.  When it really gets bad, use
the
> outboard but keep the main or a reefed main up to steady the boat, and so
keep
> the prop in the water more.  (Of course drop the main before heading into
a
> downwind slip.)

> Peter

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