FS: Carbon Fiber Paddle

FS: Carbon Fiber Paddle

Post by PhotoBuf » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:41:27


I have a Whetstone T-1 Carbon Fiber Paddle for sale. I tis 210 CM and 2 piece. Little use.

If you want a super nice well made light paddle this is it. $190 including shipping.

Ed in Raleigh

 
 
 

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Post by John Kuth » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:42:08

Quote:

> I have a Whetstone T-1 Carbon Fiber Paddle for sale. I tis 210 CM and 2 piece. Little use.

> If you want a super nice well made light paddle this is it. $190 including shipping.

> Ed in Raleigh

$190??!! That's about what they retail for!

I'll give you $100, tops!

:-(

--
John Kuthe,
1st rule of Govt: protect people from Govt
2nd rule of Govt: protect people from each other
BUT: It must *never* become the job of Govt to protect people from
themselves!

 
 
 

FS: Carbon Fiber Paddle

Post by PhotoBuf » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:40:30


Quote:

> > I have a Whetstone T-1 Carbon Fiber Paddle for sale. I tis 210 CM and 2 piece. Little use.

> > If you want a super nice well made light paddle this is it. $190 including shipping.

> > Ed in Raleigh

> $190??!! That's about what they retail for!

> I'll give you $100, tops!

> :-(

No actually I paid $225 plus shipping from them and they are no longer making padles or
anything else. If you want a genuine Whetstone you have to buy a used one.

 
 
 

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Post by Brian Nystro » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:05:48

Quote:



> > > I have a Whetstone T-1 Carbon Fiber Paddle for sale. I tis 210 CM and 2 piece. Little use.

> > > If you want a super nice well made light paddle this is it. $190 including shipping.

> > > Ed in Raleigh

> > $190??!! That's about what they retail for!

> > I'll give you $100, tops!

> > :-(

> No actually I paid $225 plus shipping from them and they are no longer making padles or
> anything else. If you want a genuine Whetstone you have to buy a used one.

They've dropped their accessory line, but they're still making paddles. As much as I like
Whetstone paddles, they're hardly collecors items that command high prices used.

--
Regards

Brian

 
 
 

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Post by PhotoBuf » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:31:51


Quote:


> --
> Regards

> Brian

Not to argue the point but I have tried repeatedly to call and to email them ...no luck. I
was going to order a new 230 but they are closed as best as I or anyone else can tell. It is
not a collectors item but it is one superior carbon fiber paddle and it is worth $190
including the shipping. Check Werner prices ...or Waterstick
 
 
 

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Post by John Kuth » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:37:38

Quote:

> Not to argue the point but I have tried repeatedly to call and to email them ...no luck.

[snip]

Not to argue the point either, but Kayakstore has been notoriously hard
to get ahold of anyone via the phone or email for a long time now. I
know, I've been monitoring and responding to a LOT of posts regarding
this on Boatertalk for around a year. (I'm not associated with
Kayakstore in any way, other than that I own and love my Whetstone
paddle that I bought about 2 years ago.) I do personally know people who
have ordered and received Whetstone paddles, fairly recently, like in
the past 6 months.

Try their website:

http://www.kayakstore.com

Updated May 2003, and they say:

"We hope everyone is enjoying the Spring paddling season! We've been
running a bit behind on paddle delivery, but looks like we'll catch up
early this month and should be shipping within 24 to 48 hours of order
receipt by May 10."

--
John Kuthe,
1st rule of Govt: protect people from Govt
2nd rule of Govt: protect people from each other
BUT: It must *never* become the job of Govt to protect people from
themselves!

 
 
 

FS: Carbon Fiber Paddle

Post by Wade Norto » Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:54:40

Or ONNO paddles...  IMHO everybit as good as a Whetstone and very
inexpensive.  I have to agree with Brian, you paddle is a good one, but your
price is very near the price of new.

w.


Quote:


> > --
> > Regards

> > Brian

> Not to argue the point but I have tried repeatedly to call and to email
them ...no luck. I
> was going to order a new 230 but they are closed as best as I or anyone

else can tell. It is

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> not a collectors item but it is one superior carbon fiber paddle and it is
worth $190
> including the shipping. Check Werner prices ...or Waterstick

 
 
 

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Post by PhotoBuf » Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:15:37


Quote:
> Or ONNO paddles...  IMHO everybit as good as a Whetstone and very
> inexpensive.  I have to agree with Brian, you paddle is a good one, but your
> price is very near the price of new.

> w.

I do not think $190 including shipping is unreasonable for a like new paddle that cost $240
including shipping. In case you are not aware, they charge a premimum for custom length and a
210 CM paddle is a custom length to them (or so they charged me anyway). Since mine mine is
substantially like new I have priced it as I see fit. Not to conform to the price police on
here....if you want a new one order one and please let me knoiw if you receive it. Their
phone is disconnected.

Ed in Raleigh

 
 
 

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Post by David J. Van den Brande » Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:35:05

Quote:

> Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
> Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle,rec.boats.paddle.touring
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:15:37 -0400
> Subject: Re: FS: Carbon Fiber Paddle


>> Or ONNO paddles...  IMHO everybit as good as a Whetstone and very
>> inexpensive.  I have to agree with Brian, your paddle is a good one, but your
>> price is very near the price of new.

>> w.

> I do not think $190 including shipping is unreasonable for a like new paddle
> that cost $240
> including shipping.

It was your choice to pay a premium for shipping.  Standard shipping from
Whetstone is $10 not $20.  Would you impose that cost on your buyer or would
you allow them to choose a more reasonable shipping method?

Ordering a paddle brand new and sight unseen from an on line retailer is a
leap of faith for most people.  Doing so for a used paddle from an
individual who's idea of "like new" may be quite different from that of the
buyer is an even more extreme leap of faith. Since there are new
alternatives out there that may not have existed when you bought your
Whetstone paddle, the market would logically be looking for better value in
a used purchase.

Quote:
> In case you are not aware, they charge a premimum for
> custom length and a
> 210 CM paddle is a custom length to them (or so they charged me anyway).

And to most of the paddlers out here, for a touring paddle, 210 is somewhat
short.  Making it not only custom, but somewhat odd.  Therefore lowering the
value as it narrows the market considerably.

Quote:
> Their
> phone is disconnected.

Their phone is not disconnected. Their answering system still picks up.

Not trying to be a price cop, just pointing out some factors that you may
not have thought of.

DV

 
 
 

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Post by John Kuth » Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:42:06

[snippage for brevity]

Quote:

> > I do not think $190 including shipping is unreasonable for a like new paddle
> > that cost $240
> > including shipping.
> Ordering a paddle brand new and sight unseen from an on line retailer is a
> leap of faith for most people.  Doing so for a used paddle from an
> individual who's idea of "like new" may be quite different from that of the
> buyer is an even more extreme leap of faith. Since there are new
> alternatives out there that may not have existed when you bought your
> Whetstone paddle, the market would logically be looking for better value in
> a used purchase.

And The Market will be the judge!

Good luck PhotoBuff! If yoo sell it for the asked-for $190,
congratulations!

But I seriously doubt you will. Used gear is always subject to a
depreciation as soon as it's bought by it's orininal first owner from
the manufacturer (NO manufacturer's warranty, for example), and any used
equipment's value is always up for negotiation as to the price. If you
lower your asking price, you will attract more interested potential
buyers. It's just the way The Market works!

At your asking price of $190, you may be sitting on that paddle for a
long time though!

--
John Kuthe,
1st rule of Govt: protect people from Govt
2nd rule of Govt: protect people from each other
BUT: It must *never* become the job of Govt to protect people from
themselves!

 
 
 

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Post by David J. Van den Brande » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:40:13

Quote:

> At your asking price of $190, you may be sitting on that paddle for a
> long time though!

As an example, a brand spankin' new -with the tags still on it- all
fiberglass 230cm (arguabley the most popular size) Werner Camano paddle that
retails on line at REI for $240 recently sold on eBay for $177.50
 
 
 

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Post by Steve Crame » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:59:55

This has been very entertaining watching these guys hector PhotoBuff
about how he values his equipment. As John, fnally said, the market will
decide. I wanted to comment on a side issue.


Quote:
> And to most of the paddlers out here, for a touring paddle, 210 is somewhat
> short.  Making it not only custom, but somewhat odd.  Therefore lowering the
> value as it narrows the market considerably.

and later

 > As an example, a brand spankin' new -with the tags still on it- all
 > fiberglass 230cm (arguabley the most popular size) Werner Camano
 > paddle ....

Well, if you want to argue, 210 centimeters is not so awfully short
anymore. In the current Sea Kayaker, Greg Barton says "A paddle length
of 200 to 215 cm is best for ...paddlers...5'5" or less. Tall paddlers
should use a length of 210 to 225 cm...Paddles longer than 230 cm should
never be used." This puts PhotoBuff's 210 right in the middle of the
recommended range, suitable for short and tall paddlers both.

It's probably still too expensive, of course. I hope he posts the final
selling price.

And too bad about Whetstone.

--
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA

 
 
 

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Post by Wade Norto » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:30:45

Quote:

> > And to most of the paddlers out here, for a touring paddle, 210 is
somewhat
> > short.  Making it not only custom, but somewhat odd.  Therefore lowering
the
> > value as it narrows the market considerably.

> Well, if you want to argue, 210 centimeters is not so awfully short
> anymore. In the current Sea Kayaker, Greg Barton says "A paddle length
> of 200 to 215 cm is best for ...paddlers...5'5" or less. Tall paddlers
> should use a length of 210 to 225 cm...Paddles longer than 230 cm should
> never be used." This puts PhotoBuff's 210 right in the middle of the
> recommended range, suitable for short and tall paddlers both.

I have to defend photobuff on this matter.  I'm not aware of any paddle
company that makes 210 paddles for stock.  As an example, my wife uses a 210
cm paddle and we had to special order it from Epic.  While on the other
hand, it's simple to walk into a paddle shop and buy the same Epic paddle in
lengths of 215, 220, 230 cm.

Also, I used a 230 cm paddle in a recreational boat I had and it was fine
(wide boat at 25" width).  When paddling my NDK Posedein (22") 230 is way
too big.  I currently use 215.

Wade

 
 
 

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Post by PhotoBuf » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:16:35


Quote:

> It was your choice to pay a premium for shipping.  Standard shipping from
> Whetstone is $10 not $20.  Would you impose that cost on your buyer or would
> you allow them to choose a more reasonable shipping method?

I did not pay a premium for shipping. I paid a premium for the custom length. Their shipping
charge was whatever they usually charge $10 or so. Also This is my 4th Whetston. I have a
220/230 and 240 in additon to this paddle. I wanted to try a shorter paddle and decided after
a short while that it is not what I wanted. It is a custom length and not many people may
have a desire for such a short paddle. But you might note that Nigel Foster recommends and
regularly uses shorter than standard paddles. After attending a class he taught, I ordered
this paddle but I cant get used to its length so I am offering it for sale to anyone who may
care to have a shorter length. IF Whetstone were still operating I would return it to them
and have it lengthened. Howver, I have called and left my name, phone and email adress 8
times in the last 2 months and NO one freom Whetstone has called me back or responded to my 5
emails. The last time I caled I got an opertaor intercept saying the number was disconnected.
I got that interrupt 3 times. Maybe It is operable now but it was not 2 weeks ago. The price
is $190 including shipping. If you want to make an offer do so.
 
 
 

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Post by PhotoBuf » Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:18:38

The market also allows for offers at less than asking price and seems people would prefer to
criticize my pricing than make a VALID offer. The price is $190 including shipping. Offers
considered.