> > Last auction I was at ... <snip: anecdote about auctions>
> Some of the boats sucked. Some were very dirty gems. I'm not a power
> boat guy, but none of them looked looted. Hey, it was my second
> auction. Maybe I don't know how these thing usually work. But in these
> ecomomic times, it struck me that there are those who must get out
> from under their boats. That's the feeling I got.
There were people actively looting durring the auction. Really sad. As
for the rest...there was no doubt in my mind that the only people who
overpaid were people buying dingies (who were serriously overpaying).
The big powerboat was worth maybe 50,000 in the shape it was in, even
after all the looting. Put the other 40,000 into having it fixed up,
and you'd have something you couldn't buy new for less than 300,000.
A Catalina 30 isn't that far from your boat, and one of those went for
6,500. Of course, it was in pretty good shape all told. Would've sold
for 14,000 anywhere but there. If someone had cleaned it up and gotten
the engine running, it would've brought 18,000.
My boat, purchased from a private party (no auction), is an old 27'er
that cost 2,000 and was sailing two or three weeks after I bought it.
Of course, it was originally listed for 7,000 and when that didn't
fly, the guy tried to drop it to 4,500. I said no. He said, 3,500. I
said no. He asked, "how much?" I said 1,000. The dance began. I
could've knocked another 500 off the final price (for 1,500), but it
was Sunday and I didn't want to give him another week to stew. I
shoulda gone Saturday. The only part that "didn't work" was the
inboard engine, and that cost 5 to fix (a new spark plug and some carb
cleaner). Actually, I spent 300 in "repairs" before the first sail.
New life preservers, some re-wiring of the engine instruments, a new
spark plug and fresh gas, that sort of thing.
> It's a time vs. money function. It's summer so I will concentrate on
> the deck and hull. This boat will not be seeing the water this summer.
> The rig may have been replaced in the last 7 years. I'm still trying
> to locate the previous owners to veryify that.
I wouldn't waste my time with the previous owner. The boat may have
unpleasant associations for him, he may not like you, and how much
would he know that you couldn't figure out from looking at the rig.
Get "Rigger's Apprentice" by Brion Toss...even if you learn nothing
directly usefull (and much of that deals with "obsolete" tech) you
will learn from it. Then survey it yourself with a ruthless additude
and no thought for price. Just "is it perfect *for my use of this
boat*" (you aren't a racer, you aren't a blue water cruiser...don't
fool yourself into wasting money.) Then, if you aren't totally sure of
your judgement, bring in a rigger/surveyor to do the same checkout.
Fix everything that was marked bad, and be happy with that.
> Painting really means fairing the hull, topsides and deck
> with a (some procedure yet to be devised) and leaving it in a primer
> state until next summer.
Some primers do not weather well.
Have you faired a hull before? 1st time you do it, it SUCKS. I faired
the topsides on my first project boat. Took MONTHS. Real months.
Absolutely miserable job (not quality, but the effort). Beautiful
result, but MAN....
I could do the same in two weeks, now. I just know more, and have a
If I coulda started then with what I know now, life would be so much
more fun. What else is new. Point is, find someone who's done it to do
a section for you, or enjoy the extra time you spend sweating and
covered with powders and goo.
If you really want to do the whole hull, figure out who Raka is and
buy in bulk.
> I know the false ecomomy of 5200, if that's what you mean.
Yeah, the false economy of doing any "temporary" job. You are better
off to do the job to your own standard of rightness, once, and be done
> > Me, I'd probably ... <snip>
> Exactly. You have read my mind. Or maybe I read yours...
I have been down that road before. I know exactly where it leads.
(Not a bad place, really.)
> Whether I got a
> good deal or not is, as I mentioned, a side note. But I don't
> calculate all things in terms of dollars. I work in an industry that
> has nothing to do with manual labor.
I'm exactly the same way. I work inside, staring at a CRT, and my only
"manual labor" is typing. I bought my first boat and really worked it
over. My second boat was in much better condition when I bought it,
but I've been working it over since day one. Sailing and tinkering are
different kinds of fun, but both are enjoyable. Especially if you can
let go just enough to accept less that "perfect."