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However, the recent news about the fake documents regarding Iraq's nuclear
program and then the immediate "leak" to the press that the fake documents
may have been planted by some foreign country in an attempt to get support
for a US invasion just does not sit well in my mind.

I am sorry to say that I am beginning to smell a rat in the White House.

Eisboch

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otn

So, please, please, please don't admit that your olfactory sense stimulation
had anything to do with information gathered here.  There are people's
psyches and the whole issue of OT posts*** in the balance so please be
careful.

And congratulations.

jps

Buck
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It takes a lot of self confidence to change your mind on an issue and a lot of
courage to publicly admit it.

Every president for the last 40 years, both sides, has had greater or lesser
credibility issues. I'm amazed every day by people who can't believe that an
administration would spin the truth.

Bush will be caught in many lies before he is done, as have his predecessors.
If***had been elected, he would have been caught too; only the lies would
have been different.

i try to look at several different news websites around the world to get a
better rounded view of what is going on and world opinion. that matters, you
know. then i combine that info with what i see from the "liberal" american
press to form my own conclusions.

there are alot of smelly issues floating around about this administration, and
you dont hear shit on any american cable news network. Fox is a pure spin
machine for the right, msnbc is a fox wannabe, and cnn has lost its place.

look around a little, you will be converted even more...

chris

Eisboch

powell.....something spooked him, for some reason. at first, i thought he
really knew something. but then, after that rehash of old spin at his un
speech, i gave up on him. i was ready to hear some proof, but oh well......

chris

Powell was installed for a reason. He may have had some reservations to
begin with but he is fully in step now.

Like Molly Ivins says, "You dance with the one that brung ya"

It may be a touchy point because of the players and the issue but
Clinton, during his first campaign, pushed hard for removing the
military prohibition against gays.

Powell, while still wearing the uniform of the US Army and serving the
president as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff publicly refused to
institute the president's order to remove barriers to gays in the military.

This was the end of Clinton's presidency. He blinked and the military
and the right wing of the Republican party won a ***less and nearly
unnoticed coup.

Clinton should have taken a cue from Harry Truman and Powell should have
followed MacArthur into forced retirement or worse.

Powell was not selected because he is dedicated to the Constitution or
any higher sense of justice in America or anywhere else.

Rick

I might agree...except for the fact that I am beginning to see that
those opposed to the war (foreign and domestic) will say or do just
about anything THEMSELVES to discredit any US military action and the
US in general.  Local enemies who's hate of GW border on the
pathalogical will say anything; France & Russia who stand to lose a
lot of world power clout, money and oil will say and do anything; and
of course any enemy of western culture will use the events to get
their own way.  Facts become rumors, innuendo becomes truth, and in
the end your once steadfast conclusions can't be trusted any longer.

Fact of the matter is that we have no hard facts on what Saddam may or
may possess.  Both sides of the argument will use this to sway opinon.
If you wait for absolute truth to reveal itself you will never do
anything.  Saddam himself has invaded and brutalized a small neighbor,
violated UN resolutions since the early 90's, freely used torture and
chemical weapons on his own people (I do not beleive that is in
question) and, as far as I am concerned, has been less than forth
coming in this most recent round of inspections.  

We should have taken a hard now-or-never stance years ago, but we
didn't.  We are now, our troops are in place, we have given Saddam
every chance in the book and are doing more even now.   This isn't
about getting some real or imagined nuclear program, its about
finishing what we started and letting enemies and allies know that we
can be counted on for at least that.

That's what's known as an EMPIRE.

Our leaders are bordering on (if not fully embracing) the creation of a
facsist state in the US.

jps

-W