I think I am converted ...

I think I am converted ...

Post by Eisboc » Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:16:17


I've tried to convince myself that GWB has been doing the best he could and
I've tried to maintain a sense of support for him as the POTUS.

However, the recent news about the fake documents regarding Iraq's nuclear
program and then the immediate "leak" to the press that the fake documents
may have been planted by some foreign country in an attempt to get support
for a US invasion just does not sit well in my mind.

I am sorry to say that I am beginning to smell a rat in the White House.

Eisboch

 
 
 

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Post by otnmbr » Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:22:40

Started smelling that "rat", back in the 60's ..... came to the
conclusion it had been there for many years and don't think it ever
left. Also noticed a number of other "houses" with the same infestation.

<BG>
otn

Quote:

> I've tried to convince myself that GWB has been doing the best he could and
> I've tried to maintain a sense of support for him as the POTUS.

> However, the recent news about the fake documents regarding Iraq's nuclear
> program and then the immediate "leak" to the press that the fake documents
> may have been planted by some foreign country in an attempt to get support
> for a US invasion just does not sit well in my mind.

> I am sorry to say that I am beginning to smell a rat in the White House.

> Eisboch


 
 
 

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Post by jps » Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:26:01


Quote:
> I've tried to convince myself that GWB has been doing the best he could
and
> I've tried to maintain a sense of support for him as the POTUS.

> However, the recent news about the fake documents regarding Iraq's nuclear
> program and then the immediate "leak" to the press that the fake documents
> may have been planted by some foreign country in an attempt to get support
> for a US invasion just does not sit well in my mind.

> I am sorry to say that I am beginning to smell a rat in the White House.

> Eisboch

I've been told time and time again that no matter how much we argue with our
fellow boaters, we're not going to change their minds.

So, please, please, please don't admit that your olfactory sense stimulation
had anything to do with information gathered here.  There are people's
psyches and the whole issue of OT posts*** in the balance so please be
careful.

And congratulations.

jps

 
 
 

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Post by buck18 » Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:18:45

Political post.........take it somewhere else.

Buck
#183

Quote:
> I've tried to convince myself that GWB has been doing the best he could
and
> I've tried to maintain a sense of support for him as the POTUS.

> However, the recent news about the fake documents regarding Iraq's nuclear
> program and then the immediate "leak" to the press that the fake documents
> may have been planted by some foreign country in an attempt to get support
> for a US invasion just does not sit well in my mind.

> I am sorry to say that I am beginning to smell a rat in the White House.

> Eisboch

 
 
 

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Post by Gould 07 » Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:27:32

Good for you, Eisboch.

It takes a lot of self confidence to change your mind on an issue and a lot of
courage to publicly admit it.

Every president for the last 40 years, both sides, has had greater or lesser
credibility issues. I'm amazed every day by people who can't believe that an
administration would spin the truth.

Bush will be caught in many lies before he is done, as have his predecessors.
If***had been elected, he would have been caught too; only the lies would
have been different.

 
 
 

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Post by Jamc » Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:17:28

Quote:
>Subject: I think I am converted ...

>Date: 3/14/03 2:16 PM Pacific Standard Time

>I've tried to convince myself that GWB has been doing the best he could and
>I've tried to maintain a sense of support for him as the POTUS.

>However, the recent news about the fake documents regarding Iraq's nuclear
>program and then the immediate "leak" to the press that the fake documents
>may have been planted by some foreign country in an attempt to get support
>for a US invasion just does not sit well in my mind.

>I am sorry to say that I am beginning to smell a rat in the White House.

>Eisboch

good for you.

i try to look at several different news websites around the world to get a
better rounded view of what is going on and world opinion. that matters, you
know. then i combine that info with what i see from the "liberal" american
press to form my own conclusions.

there are alot of smelly issues floating around about this administration, and
you dont hear shit on any american cable news network. Fox is a pure spin
machine for the right, msnbc is a fox wannabe, and cnn has lost its place.

look around a little, you will be converted even more...

chris

 
 
 

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Post by Eisboc » Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:52:59


Quote:
> >Subject: I think I am converted ...

> >Date: 3/14/03 2:16 PM Pacific Standard Time

> >I've tried to convince myself that GWB has been doing the best he could
and
> >I've tried to maintain a sense of support for him as the POTUS.

> >However, the recent news about the fake documents regarding Iraq's
nuclear
> >program and then the immediate "leak" to the press that the fake
documents
> >may have been planted by some foreign country in an attempt to get
support
> >for a US invasion just does not sit well in my mind.

> >I am sorry to say that I am beginning to smell a rat in the White House.

> >Eisboch

> good for you.

> i try to look at several different news websites around the world to get a
> better rounded view of what is going on and world opinion. that matters,
you
> know. then i combine that info with what i see from the "liberal" american
> press to form my own conclusions.

> there are alot of smelly issues floating around about this administration,
and
> you dont hear shit on any american cable news network. Fox is a pure spin
> machine for the right, msnbc is a fox wannabe, and cnn has lost its place.

> look around a little, you will be converted even more...

> chris

I am not saying I am changing my political philosophy (independent).  I am
just becoming very suspicious of the current administration and if they are
telling us the truth.  I am surprised at Powell.  I expect a lot more of
him.

Eisboch

 
 
 

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Post by Jamc » Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:28:46

Quote:
>I am not saying I am changing my political philosophy (independent).  I am
>just becoming very suspicious of the current administration and if they are
>telling us the truth.  I am surprised at Powell.  I expect a lot more of
>him.

>Eisboch

im sorry if i implied that you were. i am just saying that there is alot more
information out there than what you see thru the american media.

powell.....something spooked him, for some reason. at first, i thought he
really knew something. but then, after that rehash of old spin at his un
speech, i gave up on him. i was ready to hear some proof, but oh well......

chris

 
 
 

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Post by megabit » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:54:13

A La, Robert S. McNamara, Viet-Nam 1965,.....more B.S. to trick the
Electorate.

Quote:
> I've tried to convince myself that GWB has been doing the best he could
and
> I've tried to maintain a sense of support for him as the POTUS.

> However, the recent news about the fake documents regarding Iraq's nuclear
> program and then the immediate "leak" to the press that the fake documents
> may have been planted by some foreign country in an attempt to get support
> for a US invasion just does not sit well in my mind.

> I am sorry to say that I am beginning to smell a rat in the White House.

> Eisboch

 
 
 

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Post by Rick » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:24:10

 >"I am surprised at Powell. I expect a lot more of him."

Powell was installed for a reason. He may have had some reservations to
begin with but he is fully in step now.

Like Molly Ivins says, "You dance with the one that brung ya"

It may be a touchy point because of the players and the issue but
Clinton, during his first campaign, pushed hard for removing the
military prohibition against gays.

Powell, while still wearing the uniform of the US Army and serving the
president as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff publicly refused to
institute the president's order to remove barriers to gays in the military.

This was the end of Clinton's presidency. He blinked and the military
and the right wing of the Republican party won a ***less and nearly
unnoticed coup.

Clinton should have taken a cue from Harry Truman and Powell should have
followed MacArthur into forced retirement or worse.

Powell was not selected because he is dedicated to the Constitution or
any higher sense of justice in America or anywhere else.

Rick

 
 
 

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Post by ohhhh_.. » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:44:27

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:52:59 -0500, "Eisboch"

I might agree...except for the fact that I am beginning to see that
those opposed to the war (foreign and domestic) will say or do just
about anything THEMSELVES to discredit any US military action and the
US in general.  Local enemies who's hate of GW border on the
pathalogical will say anything; France & Russia who stand to lose a
lot of world power clout, money and oil will say and do anything; and
of course any enemy of western culture will use the events to get
their own way.  Facts become rumors, innuendo becomes truth, and in
the end your once steadfast conclusions can't be trusted any longer.

Fact of the matter is that we have no hard facts on what Saddam may or
may possess.  Both sides of the argument will use this to sway opinon.
If you wait for absolute truth to reveal itself you will never do
anything.  Saddam himself has invaded and brutalized a small neighbor,
violated UN resolutions since the early 90's, freely used torture and
chemical weapons on his own people (I do not beleive that is in
question) and, as far as I am concerned, has been less than forth
coming in this most recent round of inspections.  

We should have taken a hard now-or-never stance years ago, but we
didn't.  We are now, our troops are in place, we have given Saddam
every chance in the book and are doing more even now.   This isn't
about getting some real or imagined nuclear program, its about
finishing what we started and letting enemies and allies know that we
can be counted on for at least that.

Quote:
>I am not saying I am changing my political philosophy (independent).  I am
>just becoming very suspicious of the current administration and if they are
>telling us the truth.  I am surprised at Powell.  I expect a lot more of
>him.

>Eisboch

 
 
 

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Post by jps » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:38:40


Quote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:52:59 -0500, "Eisboch"

> I might agree...except for the fact that I am beginning to see that
> those opposed to the war (foreign and domestic) will say or do just
> about anything THEMSELVES to discredit any US military action and the
> US in general.

Only in your head.

Quote:
> Local enemies who's hate of GW border on the
> pathalogical will say anything; France & Russia who stand to lose a
> lot of world power clout, money and oil will say and do anything; and
> of course any enemy of western culture will use the events to get
> their own way.  Facts become rumors, innuendo becomes truth, and in
> the end your once steadfast conclusions can't be trusted any longer.

You mean like the fabricated documents we've based our invasion of Iraq
upon???

Quote:
> Fact of the matter is that we have no hard facts on what Saddam may or
> may possess.  Both sides of the argument will use this to sway opinon.
> If you wait for absolute truth to reveal itself you will never do
> anything.  Saddam himself has invaded and brutalized a small neighbor,
> violated UN resolutions since the early 90's, freely used torture and
> chemical weapons on his own people (I do not beleive that is in
> question) and, as far as I am concerned, has been less than forth
> coming in this most recent round of inspections.

> We should have taken a hard now-or-never stance years ago, but we
> didn't.  We are now, our troops are in place, we have given Saddam
> every chance in the book and are doing more even now.   This isn't
> about getting some real or imagined nuclear program, its about
> finishing what we started and letting enemies and allies know that we
> can be counted on for at least that.

What they'll know is that we can be counted upon to disregard our closest
allies and move around the world doing as we please irregardless of other
country's input.

That's what's known as an EMPIRE.

Our leaders are bordering on (if not fully embracing) the creation of a
facsist state in the US.

jps

 
 
 

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Post by NOYB » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:13:40


Quote:
> powell.....something spooked him

Hmmmmm.  Wonder what that *something* is? I suspect you'll hear what that
*something* is when the bombs are done being dropped on Iraq.  If a smoking
gun doesn't emerge from an invasion of Iraq, I'll eat crow.  I expect you
guys to do the same if the smoking gun *is* found.
 
 
 

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Post by Clams Canin » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:18:49

They'll just say it was planted evidence, courtesy of the Republican Dirty
Tricks dept.

-W


Quote:



> > powell.....something spooked him

> Hmmmmm.  Wonder what that *something* is? I suspect you'll hear what that
> *something* is when the bombs are done being dropped on Iraq.  If a
smoking
> gun doesn't emerge from an invasion of Iraq, I'll eat crow.  I expect you
> guys to do the same if the smoking gun *is* found.

 
 
 

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Post by NOYB » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:25:51

That's the sad irony.  The Dems have taken the "vast right-wing conspirary"
to new heights lately...yet they never cease to amaze me with how far they
can actually go.


Quote:
> They'll just say it was planted evidence, courtesy of the Republican Dirty
> Tricks dept.

> -W





> > > powell.....something spooked him

> > Hmmmmm.  Wonder what that *something* is? I suspect you'll hear what
that
> > *something* is when the bombs are done being dropped on Iraq.  If a
> smoking
> > gun doesn't emerge from an invasion of Iraq, I'll eat crow.  I expect
you
> > guys to do the same if the smoking gun *is* found.