July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by Mowrki » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Todays Stockton Record reported the death on July 4th of a young PWC rider. The
victim was 14 years old. It was not clear whether he was the operator or
passenger of the Sea Doo. The other rider was listed in stable condition with
severe internal injuries. The PWC was totaled, cut in two by a boat. I will
spare you the ***y details.

The PWC "turned a blind corner" on the Mokelumne River, a part of the Delta.
The operator had been warned of high speed in a 5 mph zone before the
accident. Our Delta is mainly channels, sloughs and small islands. Blind
corners are virtually everywhere.

I've read many stories of blind corner accidents over the years and see
operators flying through such corners too often. Usually it is the high-powered
bass boats that I see doing this, and last year a fisherman was killed in
exactly this manner.

What a waste.

-Dale Gillespie
Proud, unbowed Bayliner Owner.

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by RBSte » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Yesterday I was returning to the ramp on my Shuttlecraft after a nice, all day
outing.  A youngster on a PWC was playing around two hundred yards outside the
no wake zone near the ramp, in a channel perhaps 300 yards wide. This is a
channel leading to a public ramp from the main body of Lake Lanier.

 I'm coming in at aroud 20 mph, and he has no clue that I'm there...I was
visible perhaps a quarter of a mile away, have not changed course, but he has
not taken a look to see who is around as he spins and cavorts.  I have no
choice but to come off plane and change course to come around him.  He finally
realizes I'm there and skats off.

On a 40,000 acre lake with hundreds of quiet, untrafficked places, this kid
picks a channel used all day by public ramp users, and he doesn't even stay
aware of who's moving near him.

If PWC'rs don't do a better job of coexisting with other boaters, they'll
become extinct.

Rich Stern

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by RAJJNE » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

As a boater also on lake Lanier I know exactly what you are saying. Yesterday
on my way over to the beach to get ready for the fireworks I had a pontoon
coming my way.. We were in a narrow channel due to the levels of the lake so we
were already tighter than we both would have liked to have been. And here it
comes.. all of a sudden this PWC decides we are going too slow and being too
cautious so he high tails it right between us as if he didnt have a clue. I
ride PWC's too and enjoy them very much but there are way too many newbies on
PWC's with no clue on boating safety.

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by MadCow » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>>there are way too many newbies on

PWC's with no clue on boating safety.<<

Mandatory licensing with a safe boating course requirement.  And a grandfather
clause for those who have already taken a course and can prove it.

You boating old-timers might not like this, but (1) it's bound to happen
someday, and (2) you will like it after you're hit by a PWC, and that's just a
matter of time, IMO.

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by David Smalle » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> >>there are way too many newbies on
> PWC's with no clue on boating safety.<<

> Mandatory licensing with a safe boating course requirement.  And a grandfather
> clause for those who have already taken a course and can prove it.

> You boating old-timers might not like this, but (1) it's bound to happen
> someday, and (2) you will like it after you're hit by a PWC, and that's just a
> matter of time, IMO.

I have to agree w/ you here. Except I'll go out on that branch further
and make _everyone_ who dosen't have a current commercial license to
take at least a proficiency test on both paper and the water.

I also think that we should have to re-take them every 10 years or so.

There's just too much stupidity hapening out on the water these days.

DAVe

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by Harry Kraus » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> > >>there are way too many newbies on
> > PWC's with no clue on boating safety.<<

> > Mandatory licensing with a safe boating course requirement.  And a grandfather
> > clause for those who have already taken a course and can prove it.

> > You boating old-timers might not like this, but (1) it's bound to happen
> > someday, and (2) you will like it after you're hit by a PWC, and that's just a
> > matter of time, IMO.

> I have to agree w/ you here. Except I'll go out on that branch further
> and make _everyone_ who dosen't have a current commercial license to
> take at least a proficiency test on both paper and the water.

> I also think that we should have to re-take them every 10 years or so.

> There's just too much stupidity hapening out on the water these days.

> DAVe

While I am in favor of licensing, I don't see it as a panacea for stupidity
on the water, unless the examination required for licensing includes a
rigorous on-the-water test. It's just too easy to memorize the answers to 20
or 30 questions without having the vaguest understanding of what any of it
really means.

I've seen any number of boaters with little USPS flags (word chosen
deliberately) flying who had absolutely no idea of how to handle a boat, who
know nothing about the physics of handling a boat and who are oblivious to
the danger to which they expose others.

Of course, an on the water test wouldn't provide the assurance we need, but
it might eliminate some of the waterborne idiots.

I'd opt for a serious written exam, followed by a 30 day period of water
practice, followed by an on the water exam for which the boater paid $100 or
so. Such exam to include docking in various wind and current conditions,
demonstrated knowledge of rules of the road, behavior, anchoring and, just
for fine, rope splicing.

--

Harry Krause
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Holodeck malfunction detected. Terminate reality.exe? Y/N

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by The Abbey Famil » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> Yesterday I was returning to the ramp on my Shuttlecraft after a nice, all day
> outing.  A youngster on a PWC was playing around two hundred yards outside the
> no wake zone near the ramp, in a channel perhaps 300 yards wide. This is a
> channel leading to a public ramp from the main body of Lake Lanier.

>  I'm coming in at aroud 20 mph, and he has no clue that I'm there...I was
> visible perhaps a quarter of a mile away, have not changed course, but he has
> not taken a look to see who is around as he spins and cavorts.  I have no
> choice but to come off plane and change course to come around him.  He finally
> realizes I'm there and skats off.

> On a 40,000 acre lake with hundreds of quiet, untrafficked places, this kid
> picks a channel used all day by public ramp users, and he doesn't even stay
> aware of who's moving near him.

> If PWC'rs don't do a better job of coexisting with other boaters, they'll
> become extinct.

> Rich Stern

I love Darwin's theory.
 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by Oz Sailo » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

We have mandatory licensing but that has not stopped the idiots. Without
effective policing you won't stop people with no respect for other people or
the law.I don't know what the solution is maybe teaching youngsters right
from wrong and respect may help but that is the long haul.


Quote:
> >>there are way too many newbies on
> PWC's with no clue on boating safety.<<

> Mandatory licensing with a safe boating course requirement.  And a
grandfather
> clause for those who have already taken a course and can prove it.

> You boating old-timers might not like this, but (1) it's bound to happen
> someday, and (2) you will like it after you're hit by a PWC, and that's
just a
> matter of time, IMO.

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by Rick » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
> >>there are way too many newbies on
> PWC's with no clue on boating safety.<<

> Mandatory licensing with a safe boating course requirement.  And a
grandfather
> clause for those who have already taken a course and can prove it.

> You boating old-timers might not like this, but (1) it's bound to happen
> someday, and (2) you will like it after you're hit by a PWC, and that's
just a
> matter of time, IMO.

Mandatory licensing is now a fact of life in Canada. We will see how it
works out. Just the one new rule of many that no one under the age of 16
will be allowed to operate a PWC has got to make a difference. All
operator's of PWC's will have to be licensed by 2002 and everyone will have
to be licensed by 2009. There is some grumbling but I think it is a good
idea. Those who have taken an approved course, ie: Canadian Power Squadron
are automatically qualified .

Rick

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by Sabo » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>Yesterday I was returning to the ramp on my Shuttlecraft after a nice, all
>day
>> outing.  A youngster on a PWC was playing around two hundred yards outside
>the
>> no wake zone near the ramp, in a channel perhaps 300 yards wide. This is a
>> channel leading to a public ramp from the main body of Lake Lanier.

>>  I'm coming in at aroud 20 mph, and he has no clue that I'm there...I was
>> visible perhaps a quarter of a mile away, have not changed course, but he
>has
>> not taken a look to see who is around as he spins and cavorts.  I have no
>> choice but to come off plane and change course to come around him.  He
>finally
>> realizes I'm there and skats off.

>> On a 40,000 acre lake with hundreds of quiet, untrafficked places, this kid
>> picks a channel used all day by public ramp users, and he doesn't even stay
>> aware of who's moving near him.

>> If PWC'rs don't do a better job of coexisting with other boaters, they'll
>> become extinct.

>> Rich Stern

>I love Darwin's theory.

Let me guess, you have never done anything stupid in your life, even while
young. I get so tired of you "Darwin" people thinking that anybody, who at some
point in life. What kid would turn down the chance to ride something as
exciting as a PWC. The parents are the responsible party, not the inocent
children.
I honestly hope that if/when you have kids your viewpoint will change.
 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by John Ga » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Of course! The answer to this problem is...BIG government! Why didn't
someone think of this sooner! Why, with their help we may be able make
the waterways as safe and efficient as our roadways.

That was sarcasm BTW. In south Florida 50% of the drivers on the road
are uninsured and unlicensed. And thats a government statistic, actual
numbers are higher. With all the cops we have now there is no way to
even put a dent (pun intended) in the carnage going on caused by these
and licensed fools. Why do think it will be different for boating?
Even now the marine patrol here is facing a 30% cut back. The whole
thing is a joke.

Just keep the freakin government incompentence away from me and my
boat.

Let Darwin decide.


Quote:
>>>there are way too many newbies on
>PWC's with no clue on boating safety.<<

>Mandatory licensing with a safe boating course requirement.  And a grandfather
>clause for those who have already taken a course and can prove it.

>You boating old-timers might not like this, but (1) it's bound to happen
>someday, and (2) you will like it after you're hit by a PWC, and that's just a
>matter of time, IMO.

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by RAJJNE » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I am in no way in favor of govt. intervention in boating. Now lets see... how
can I put this... Most (not all) problems happen due to PWC's. Now dont jump
all over me.. I've seen plenty of stupid regular boaters as well. But its
obvious that out on the water when you look around at people doing stupid
things that probably 90% of them are on PWC's. So my thoughts are that the
industry should work to improve this. When you sell a PWC.. give them a little
booklet or video to go along with it. Wont cost much and can help dummies on
the water alot. I am not in favor of spending more in order to go out and enjoy
my boat. I already pay taxes, registration, insurance, and tag fee's for the
trailer which I think is plenty. I was fortunate to be taught by my father at a
very early age about boating. I was driving boats and riding jet ski's (old
Kawasaki's) at around 11 or 12. So My parents saw to it that I wasnt an idiot
on the water. Are you doing the same with your kids?
 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by RAJJNE » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

One other thing... I've noticed in my area.. Lake Lanier (Atlanta) that there
are alot of new boaters from say.. south of the border who boat the same way
they live. I saw a 19' Bayliner with 12 people on it. The boat seemed to be
barely floating. I've seen this too many times lately. Come to think of it.. I
havent seen a boat at all with these people on it that wasnt overloaded. One
time last year they almost hit my boat as it was tied up to a dock. Just
curious... anyone else seen anything like this?
 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by MadCow » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>>Except I'll go out on that branch further

and make _everyone_ who dosen't have a current commercial license to
take at least a proficiency test on both paper and the water.

I also think that we should have to re-take them every 10 years or so.<< --
David Smalley

I can go along with that.

 
 
 

July 4 PWC death on our Calif Delta

Post by David Smalle » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> > > Mandatory licensing with a safe boating course requirement.  And a
> grandfather
> > > clause for those who have already taken a course and can prove it.
> > I have to agree w/ you here. Except I'll go out on that branch further
> > and make _everyone_ who dosen't have a current commercial license to
> > take at least a proficiency test on both paper and the water.

> > I also think that we should have to re-take them every 10 years or so.
> And I suppose you are willing to fund this little exercise in boatmanship?
> Just what we need, more people with ideas that have not been thought
> through.

The $100 license fee.

Gee that was _real_ hard.

DAVe