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Gun control deal done

Post by J Herrin » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:30:13


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>> > >Details at 11.

>> > Something is better than nothing! (I ***ing hope so anyway!)

>> I must have missed the constitution amendment process?

>> --------------------------------------

>> The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do.

>The Constitution says we all have the right to keep and bear arms.

>-------------------------------------------------

>Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people
>with serious mental health issues,  ***ics and drug ***s?

The Constitution does not exclude them.

But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health
issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. ***ics and drug
***s? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members.
And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member.

Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

 
 
 

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Post by iBoatere » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:04:34



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> >>>> Details at 11.

> >>> Something is better than nothing! (I ***ing hope so anyway!)

> >> I must have missed the constitution amendment process?

> >> --------------------------------------

> >> The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do.

> > Exactly. There are lots of restrictions on weapon ownership.

> No bazookas?

> --------------------------------------------------

> Speaking of bazookas,  this is my new daily exercise routine:

> <http://SportToday.org/;

Finally, an exercise program I can wrap my arms around....

 
 
 

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Post by iBoatere » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:05:45



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> >>>>> Details at 11.

> >>>> Something is better than nothing! (I ***ing hope so anyway!)

> >>> I must have missed the constitution amendment process?

> >>> --------------------------------------

> >>> The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do.

> >> Exactly. There are lots of restrictions on weapon ownership.

> >No bazookas?

> >--------------------------------------------------

> >Speaking of bazookas,  this is my new daily exercise routine:

> ><http://SportToday.org/;

> ============

> That is truly great news for those of us unfortunate enough to be
> anchored near a beach in Saint Bart's.

> http://SportToday.org/

I feel your pain... I wish. But, you must be losing pounds a day with
that routine!!

 
 
 

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Post by iBoatere » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:06:45



Quote:












> >> > >Details at 11.

> >> > Something is better than nothing! (I ***ing hope so anyway!)

> >> I must have missed the constitution amendment process?

> >> --------------------------------------

> >> The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do.

> >The Constitution says we all have the right to keep and bear arms.

> >-------------------------------------------------

> >Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people
> >with serious mental health issues,  ***ics and drug ***s?

> The Constitution does not exclude them.

> But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health
> issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. ***ics and drug
> ***s? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members.
> And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member.

> Salmonbait

Ah, so you are saying that today's laws supercede the constitution. Now
we are getting somewhere.....
 
 
 

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Post by Eisboc » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:16:03


Quote:

>-------------------------------------------------

>Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people
>with serious mental health issues,  ***ics and drug ***s?

The Constitution does not exclude them.

But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those
with serious mental health
issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or
society. ***ics and drug
***s? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going
to provide lists of members.
And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member.

--------------------------------------

I don't know about other states but the gun permit application in MA
has specific questions regarding drug ***ion and/or a history of
"habitual drunkenness"  or treatment for *** abuse.  There's a
reason for that.    I believe answering in the affirmative will
disqualify the applicant for a permit.  They may qualify following a
treatment program and a doctor's statement that the person has
successfully been drug or *** free for a period of 5 years.   Both
***ions are considered to be mental health issues.

Having had some up close and personal experience in the past year with
an ***ic who we were finally able to get into a program for
recovery,  I can completely support that restriction.   Drug and
*** ***ion can totally change a person into someone you would
never recognize.

 
 
 

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Post by F.O.A.D » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:30:26


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>>>>> Details at 11.

>>>> Something is better than nothing! (I ***ing hope so anyway!)

>>> I must have missed the constitution amendment process?

>>> --------------------------------------

>>> The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do.

>> The Constitution says we all have the right to keep and bear arms.

>> -------------------------------------------------

>> Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people
>> with serious mental health issues,  ***ics and drug ***s?

> The Constitution does not exclude them.

> But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health
> issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. ***ics and drug
> ***s? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members.
> And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member.

> Salmonbait

> --
> 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like ***ia, but in
Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a
questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal
penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a
straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of ***,
whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic ***,
whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've
been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual
drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and
you might get arrested.

Anyone here a heavy drinker?

 
 
 

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Post by F.O.A.D » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:32:46


Quote:




>> -------------------------------------------------

>> Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people
>> with serious mental health issues,  ***ics and drug ***s?

> The Constitution does not exclude them.

> But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those
> with serious mental health
> issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society.
> ***ics and drug
> ***s? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to
> provide lists of members.
> And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member.

> --------------------------------------

> I don't know about other states but the gun permit application in MA has
> specific questions regarding drug ***ion and/or a history of
> "habitual drunkenness"  or treatment for *** abuse.  There's a
> reason for that.    I believe answering in the affirmative will
> disqualify the applicant for a permit.  They may qualify following a
> treatment program and a doctor's statement that the person has
> successfully been drug or *** free for a period of 5 years.   Both
> ***ions are considered to be mental health issues.

> Having had some up close and personal experience in the past year with
> an ***ic who we were finally able to get into a program for
> recovery,  I can completely support that restriction.   Drug and ***
> ***ion can totally change a person into someone you would never
> recognize.

We have a similar application in Maryland.
 
 
 

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Post by Hank » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:43:29


Quote:
> Anyone here a heavy drinker?

Why do you ask? Does your dossier files on rec.boats have some missing
information?
 
 
 

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Post by J Herrin » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:07:10

Quote:




>>-------------------------------------------------

>>Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people
>>with serious mental health issues,  ***ics and drug ***s?

>The Constitution does not exclude them.

>But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those
>with serious mental health
>issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or
>society. ***ics and drug
>***s? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going
>to provide lists of members.
>And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member.

>--------------------------------------

>I don't know about other states but the gun permit application in MA
>has specific questions regarding drug ***ion and/or a history of
>"habitual drunkenness"  or treatment for *** abuse.  There's a
>reason for that.    I believe answering in the affirmative will
>disqualify the applicant for a permit.  They may qualify following a
>treatment program and a doctor's statement that the person has
>successfully been drug or *** free for a period of 5 years.   Both
>***ions are considered to be mental health issues.

>Having had some up close and personal experience in the past year with
>an ***ic who we were finally able to get into a program for
>recovery,  I can completely support that restriction.   Drug and
>*** ***ion can totally change a person into someone you would
>never recognize.

Seems silly. A recovering ***ic, one who's not had a drink for over five years, let's say, would
need a doctor to attest to that? How the hell would a doctor know? The Form 4473 has a similar
question about ***ion to ***, narcotics, etc. It would be very easy for a slightly less
than honest person to simply say 'no'. Unless there were some record or conviction, he 'd get away
with it.

I've gone through the same experience you have with an ***ic. The individual, a brother, has
been sober for several years now. I wouldn't hesitate to let him buy a firearm. He's also a retired
cop.

Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

 
 
 

Gun control deal done

Post by J Herrin » Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:12:04

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>>>>>> Details at 11.

>>>>> Something is better than nothing! (I ***ing hope so anyway!)

>>>> I must have missed the constitution amendment process?

>>>> --------------------------------------

>>>> The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do.

>>> The Constitution says we all have the right to keep and bear arms.

>>> -------------------------------------------------

>>> Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people
>>> with serious mental health issues,  ***ics and drug ***s?

>> The Constitution does not exclude them.

>> But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health
>> issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. ***ics and drug
>> ***s? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members.
>> And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member.

>> Salmonbait

>> --
>> 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

>I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like ***ia, but in
>Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a
>questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal
>penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a
>straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of ***,
>whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic ***,
>whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've
>been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual
>drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and
>you might get arrested.

>Anyone here a heavy drinker?

Completion of the  ATF Form 4473 is a requirement in ***ia. I would assume the same is true of
Maryland, as it's a Federal form. But who knows? Maryland may have its own form which asks the same
questions.

Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.