Help finding a boat for a big man

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Scotty Davi » Sun, 04 Jun 2000 04:00:00


I'm 6'4 about 290 and I'm looking to purchase my first boat.  I'll be
doing rivers with mostly class 2 or 3 with a lot of flat water in
between.  Can anybody reccommend a boat?  I'm still unsure wether to
go with a Kayak or canoe.

"God not only plays dice [with the universe], He also sometimes throws
 the dice where they cannot be seen."
                                        --Stephan Hawkings

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Kathryn Streletz » Sun, 04 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>I'm 6'4 about 290 and I'm looking to purchase my first boat.  I'll be
>doing rivers with mostly class 2 or 3 with a lot of flat water in
>between.  Can anybody reccommend a boat?

Here's a couple of options:

Prijon Tornado - a big guy whitewater boat that is fairly fast on the flats.
You'll need to go with a monster***pit skirt.

Perception Overflox X - the OX is probably the ugliest boat ever invented but
you'll fit in it.  

Perception Axess - this is a crossover touring/whitewater boat designed by Jim
Snyder.  It'll handle the whitewater, the flats and a big guy like yourself.  

Savage Skreem - this will fit you, but it'll be slow on the flats.  
- Mothra

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Barnett » Sun, 04 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>From: Kathryn
>Here's a couple of options:

Hey Mothy how bout a boat that breathes!?

'Course Scotty's no baby.....I'd check w/ dagger and see if they've finished
that new big water open....the Dagger NFL.

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Jason J Hamilto » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> I'm 6'4 about 290 and I'm looking to purchase my first boat.  I'll be
> doing rivers with mostly class 2 or 3 with a lot of flat water in

I'm 5'11'' 300lbs and paddle a Prijon Tornado, a Micro250, and a Prijon
Samurai. I usually rip out the stock seats and make a custom minicell seat.
This solves space issues and also allows a lower seat than the manufactured
height(this allows greater stability, especially when you're way over the
boats R&D'd weight).

If interested in the Tor, try and find a newer model with the adjustable
thigh braces, these offer a better fit for larger thighs.


because it severely submarines at my weight (300lbs) and could get you into
trouble.


and wider hull design, it would be much slower if you have considerable
fla***er *yuck* distance to traverse (It is somewhat fast for a short
boat -- it is only slow compared to a 10'11'' Tornado).

Also, Frank Lucian(fellow big boater) demo'd the new Perception Stikine and
said the boat was very comfortable.  The Stikine has a partial planning hull
and is a more modern design compared to the Tornado. Check the volume
though, I've(unscientifically) found that you need a minimum of 76 gallons
displacement to resurface a 300lb guy reasonably(where the gallons are
displaced is also an obvious factor).  I've found that anything less than
around 76 gallons and you're just testing the riverbottom contour with your
ass.  That and ferries become bow squirts.

You can also try a search on "big boy boats" in dejavu history.  This is a
FAQ for rec.boats.paddle

Also, where are you located? If in N. West ***ia/PA area, you'd be more
than welcome to try any one of my boats.

Good luck,  Jason.

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Mark Jantze » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Do yourself a favor and demo a Mad River Guide in royalex...
plenty big enough for you and some gear... short enough for moderate
whitewater maneuvering... and tracks fairly well on the flat water... it is
rather deep so the wind may bother you some... it is not focuses too much
for any particular use, but is a great all-around solo boat
Mark
 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Keith Pult » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Scotty -

Hello. Thought you might like a list of open canoes.

- Blue Hole "Sunburst II"
- Dagger "Caption"
- Mad River "Outrage X"
- Mohawk "XL 14"
- Old Town "Appalachian"
- Wenonah "Rouge"
- Whitesell "Piranha"

Good Luck -
Keith


Quote:
> I'm 6'4 about 290 and I'm looking to purchase my first boat.  I'll be
> doing rivers with mostly class 2 or 3 with a lot of flat water in
> between.  Can anybody reccommend a boat?  I'm still unsure wether to
> go with a Kayak or canoe.

> "God not only plays dice [with the universe], He also sometimes throws
>  the dice where they cannot be seen."
>                                         --Stephan Hawkings

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by pkno.. » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I have a buddy that is 6'4" and about  330#.  He found the Guide to be
a bit small.  So he paddles a Freedom outfitted as a solo.  He finds
the boat plenty maneuverable.  Another buddy about 230# paddles a Guide
and when doing Class III 4-5 foot drops he still has 4 inches or so of
freeboard in the bottom of the hole.  Try it out, if it feels small try
a tandem.

Another boat a bit bigger than the Guide is a Swift Raven, It feels
bigger 15'4", but flat spins nicely and has a nice solid secondary
stability.  Both the Guide and Raven have better tracking
charateristics than a dedicated W.W. boat
PK

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Kathryn Streletz » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

One more option - just saw a Riot Grind - the boat is huge, huge, huge!

- Mothra

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Charles Pezeshk » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hey Moth,

Whaddya mean-- that boat is 'just the right size'!

Spoken by someone who is 250 lbs., 6'2" ;-)

Chuck
--
Chuck Pezeshki

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> Subject: Re: Help finding a boat for a big man

> One more option - just saw a Riot Grind - the boat is huge, huge, huge!

> - Mothra

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Scotty Davi » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I want to thank everyone for their input.  After a bit of reseach,
I've decided I'd rather have a kayak than a canoe.  (At least for the
time being.)  I think I've narrowed y choices down to three boats:
The Prijon Tornado, Perception Axess, and the Riot Grind.  Chuck, do
you have any experience with the Grind?  If so, how do you like it?
How does it track?  Keep in mind I'll rarely do anything over class 3,
but I will do long stretches of flat water with a few 2's and 3's here
and there.
     Keeping my height and weight in mind, which of the three boats
would you guys reccomend?

Thanks for all your advice,

Scotty

On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:57:10 -0700, Charles Pezeshki

Quote:

>Hey Moth,

>Whaddya mean-- that boat is 'just the right size'!

>Spoken by someone who is 250 lbs., 6'2" ;-)

>Chuck

"If the automobile had followed the same development as
the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get
a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year killing
everyone inside."
--Robert Cringely
 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Ralph E.Thayer, PhD,AIC » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Prijon Expedition. Wildwasser in Colorado is the supplier. German
made, tough as hell.
Quote:

> I'm 6'4 about 290 and I'm looking to purchase my first boat.  I'll be
> doing rivers with mostly class 2 or 3 with a lot of flat water in
> between.  Can anybody reccommend a boat?  I'm still unsure wether to
> go with a Kayak or canoe.

> "God not only plays dice [with the universe], He also sometimes throws
>  the dice where they cannot be seen."
>                                         --Stephan Hawkings

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Charles Pezeshk » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi Scotty,

I'll give you a bit of background on me and tell you my advice.

I'm a Class V boater-- really a Class V- boater now, 37, off my peak of
being a young rad dude!  I own a Tornado and a Grind, and I'm 6'2", 250lbs.
in my skivvies.

I've paddled a Tornado down some of Idaho's longest and hardest rivers.
It's an outstanding boat for tripping and doing Class V stuff (N. Payette,
E.F.S.F. Salmon fer instance), and it's fast on the flats.  It's
super-comfortable, has tons of volume for floating anyone up to 300 lbs.,
and it's also super-safe.  Its main drawback is that it plays like doggee
doo-doo, and if you have to portage it, you'll be looking at a back
operation if there's gear in the stern.

I just bought a Riot Grind.  It has plenty of volume for a 250 lb. person,
though that's probably close to the top of its range, is super-stable, rolls
easily, and plays awesomely.  It is a little miracle of engineering, and
hats off to Corran Addison for inventing this boat.  There is NO way I could
dream of camping out of it, it would not be my choice of boat in big volume
Class V, and it is only 8'2", which means it is very slow relative to the
Tornado.  I wouldn't want to paddle it across the flats.  If I weighed 170
lbs., the Grind would be my new extreme/trip boat.  But I don't-- so it's my
playboat.

If you're really going to paddle Class II, and don't plan on playing, AND
want to trip, AND maybe have a boat that will guard you down the New River
Gorge some day, buy a Tornado.  It is a niche design that has not gone out
of style yet-- though some of the newer designs like the Stikine, or
Corran's soon-to-be-out "Big Gun" may cause it to vanish into the past.  It
is often, still the boat of choice for long-duration expeditions.

If you want to mess around and do squirts on eddylines, then get a Grind.
Squirting a Tornado-- now that would be a trick.

I don't have any idea what an Axxess even looks like.

Chuck

Quote:
> Subject: Re: Help finding a boat for a big man

> I think I've narrowed y choices down to three boats:
> The Prijon Tornado, Perception Axess, and the Riot Grind.  Chuck, do
> you have any experience with the Grind?  If so, how do you like it?
> How does it track?  Keep in mind I'll rarely do anything over class 3,
> but I will do long stretches of flat water with a few 2's and 3's here
> and there.
> Keeping my height and weight in mind, which of the three boats
> would you guys reccomend?

> Thanks for all your advice,

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Larry Cab » Thu, 08 Jun 2000 04:00:00

typed:>  I think I've narrowed y choices down to three boats:

Quote:
>The Prijon Tornado, Perception Axess, and the Riot Grind.  Chuck, do
>you have any experience with the Grind?  If so, how do you like it?
>How does it track?  Keep in mind I'll rarely do anything over class 3,
>but I will do long stretches of flat
>water with a few 2's and 3's here
>and there.
>     Keeping my height and weight in mind, which of the three boats
>would you guys reccomend?

Well, I'm not Chuck, but the Grind is a big
man's rodeo boat. It's short, flat bottomed
and low volume ends. It's the first real rodeo
boat that i've been in that didn't immediately
turn into a squirt boat. But it doesn't track
and it's slow.

If your trying to stay with a true whitewater style boat, the Prijon Tornado is
a good
boat, especially if your doing extended trips. It has lots of room for you and
gear.
I've switched to a Prijon Boxer, it's not as
fast, but it still tracks pretty well and it
plays a lot better (BTW, I usually push 225). Oh yes, the Boxer is 9'8" verses
11'+ on the Tornado.

I've never like the Overflow X, but the new
Perception boat, the Stikine, handles nice.
Very much like the Boxer or the Eskimo
Cerro, a bit more rocker than both, and
a partially flat bottom. Also a sub 10' boat.

The only other boat you might try is a
Godzilla, now a second generation play
boat, but still a decent all around river boat.
It plays well and would certainly handle your weight. I have a bit of a problem
getting under the thigh braces, they make
them all for guys with pencil thighs.
SYOTR
Larry C.

 
 
 

Help finding a boat for a big man

Post by Chicago Paddling-Fishi » Thu, 08 Jun 2000 04:00:00

: I want to thank everyone for their input.  After a bit of reseach,
: I've decided I'd rather have a kayak than a canoe.  (At least for the
: time being.)  I think I've narrowed y choices down to three boats:
: The Prijon Tornado, Perception Axess, and the Riot Grind.  Chuck, do
: you have any experience with the Grind?  If so, how do you like it?
: How does it track?  Keep in mind I'll rarely do anything over class 3,
: but I will do long stretches of flat water with a few 2's and 3's here
: and there.
:      Keeping my height and weight in mind, which of the three boats
: would you guys reccomend?

Well, as a guy about your size (a little smaller maybe) I have both a
Prijon Tornado and Dagger Caption and find them both nice boats. For just
screwing around however, I find I often grab the Torrent... It's a wet
boat, but it really takes a beating.

--
John Nelson
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