Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by Stev » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:51:29


I have been watching the used sails lists on the net and in the boating mag.
and I am surprised that there are seldom any used Storm Stay sails or Try
sails ever listed. In fact they don't even have a catagory in the internet
listings for them.

Is this because no one ever has them when they go cruising or is it because
they aren't worth listing when the sail inventory is renewed??

Maybe there is just an 'word of mouth market' for them, ie sell them within
the cruising community.

I've contacted a couple sailmakers regarding this and they say they seldom
get any in for resale or replacement.

Just curious.

BTW. How many who do mainly coastal sailing, actually have storm sails?? I'm
planning to sail down the Pacific US coast in late March, early April next
year and I'm wondering if I dare try it without storm sails. (not the best
time of year for that trip)

--
Steve
S/V Good Intentions

 
 
 

Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by HLAviati » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:22:11

Quote:
>I have been watching the used sails lists on the net and in the boating mag.
>and I am surprised that there are seldom any used Storm Stay sails or Try
>sails ever listed. In fact they don't even have a catagory in the internet
>listings for them.

Try here:

http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/
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Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by Jere Lul » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:25:04

Quote:

>I have been watching the used sails lists on the net and in the boating mag.
>and I am surprised that there are seldom any used Storm Stay sails or Try
>sails ever listed. In fact they don't even have a catagory in the internet
>listings for them.

>Is this because no one ever has them when they go cruising or is it because
>they aren't worth listing when the sail inventory is renewed??

I suspect that while many people get them, just in case, they hardly
ever use them. Still, they're small enough that they keep the like-new
sails around, "just in case".

--
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Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by Stev » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:55:35

I've been watching Minneys for several years and they either never have any
or they are "lost" in amongst the Mains and Head Sails.

I just looked today and there was nothing identifiable as Storm StaySail or
Storm TrySail..   There were a couple of Storm jibs but I don't think that's
what I want since I have a cutter rig especially for the benefits of using a
Storm StaySail.

Thanks.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

 
 
 

Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by HLAviati » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:15:49

Quote:
>I've been watching Minneys for several years and they either never have any
>or they are "lost" in amongst the Mains and Head Sails.

>I just looked today and there was nothing identifiable as Storm StaySail or
>Storm TrySail..   There were a couple of Storm jibs but I don't think that's
>what I want since I have a cutter rig especially for the benefits of using a
>Storm StaySail.

Well I don't know what the difference would be as long as the measurements are
right.  Oh well, guess you'l have to go to the sail loft and have them build
you what you want if you can't find it used.  How big is your boat?
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Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by Stev » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:05:27

I have a 38 ft Ingrid cutter. Full keel, double ender, displacing 13.5 ton.

Sail plan calls for: Storm Stays'l >> 22'x14'10"x10'9", Storm Trys'l >>
18'x22'9"x10'10".

As you can see these are very small sails and anything close to these
dimensions in the used sail listings, will turn out to be of light cloth and
for a day sailer. Hence my frustration with Minney's listings.

A storm staysail or a storm trysail  is heavily reenforced and rather flat
cut (very little draft), no roach, normally roped all-round, etc. Nothing
like a regular working sail.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

 
 
 

Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by HLAviati » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:10:15

Quote:
>Sail plan calls for: Storm Stays'l >> 22'x14'10"x10'9", Storm Trys'l >>
>18'x22'9"x10'10".

>As you can see these are very small sails and anything close to these
>dimensions in the used sail listings, will turn out to be of light cloth and
>for a day sailer. Hence my frustration with Minney's listings.

>A storm staysail or a storm trysail  is heavily reenforced and rather flat
>cut (very little draft), no roach, normally roped all-round, etc. Nothing
>like a regular working sail.

>Steve
>s/v Good Intentions

Have you asked around or put up a want ad at Downwind on Shelter Isl?  How
about an ad in the Reader?
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Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by Bob Coo » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:12:31

Steve,

Have you tried the following used sail lofts:

Atlantic Sail Traders - 941-351-6023
Bacon & Assoc - 410-263-4880

Bob

www.Ocean-Pro.com
Professional Yacht Delivery
Offshore Sailing Instruction
Naples, FL 800-329-4884

 
 
 

Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by Marty » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:02:02

Quote:

>I have been watching the used sails lists on the net and in the boating mag.
>and I am surprised that there are seldom any used Storm Stay sails or Try
>sails ever listed. In fact they don't even have a catagory in the internet
>listings for them.

http://www.cast-aways.com/ is another online source of used sails.

MartyM
www.upstatecomputer.com

 
 
 

Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by Sheldon Hayni » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:30:52

Steve,

You won't find them used as they are basically never sold used...

Either they are;

 unused and on board for potential emergency, as in required by ORC regs

or

they are used and retained for the next emergency,

Or

 they were used hard and thrown away after the emergency...

"Lioness" has original 1962 Dacron Trysail and Storm jib, the Storm jib has
actually been used, the trysail looks new.

I would not want to bet on a used sail that was made for somebody else's
boat when it is blowing > 40 kts on a lee shore...

Used spinnakers and genoa's sure, I have and would buy them,

 But survival sails ought to be known good for your boat.

Sdh

Quote:

>> I have been watching the used sails lists on the net and in the boating mag.
>> and I am surprised that there are seldom any used Storm Stay sails or Try
>> sails ever listed. In fact they don't even have a catagory in the internet
>> listings for them.

> http://www.cast-aways.com/ is another online source of used sails.

> MartyM
> www.upstatecomputer.com

--
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Texas Instruments  
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Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by HLAviati » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:39:33

Quote:
>Used spinnakers and genoa's sure, I have and would buy them,

> But survival sails ought to be known good for your boat.

Excellent point.
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Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by Douglas Kin » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:51:54

I totally agree here.

Quote:

> Steve,

> You won't find them used as they are basically never sold used...

> Either they are;

>  unused and on board for potential emergency, as in required by ORC regs

> or

> they are used and retained for the next emergency,

> Or

>  they were used hard and thrown away after the emergency...

Possibly not thrown away, but this is the only category of "strom sail" that will
be available 2nd-hand... and would you really want it? I'd suggest this is a bad
idea (for the buyer, the seller who walks away and buys a new one obviously came
out ahead).

Quote:

> "Lioness" has original 1962 Dacron Trysail and Storm jib, the Storm jib has
> actually been used, the trysail looks new.

You might want to check the stitching and the cloth strength on these, sails
unfortunately do not last forever, they age just sitting there on the shelf.

Quote:

> I would not want to bet on a used sail that was made for somebody else's
> boat when it is blowing > 40 kts on a lee shore...

> Used spinnakers and genoa's sure, I have and would buy them,

>  But survival sails ought to be known good for your boat.

One option for good storm sails would be to make them yourself. A Sail-Rite kit
should cost the same or less than a decent used sail, and for the price (plus the
work) you get a custom made new sail (plus the knowledge).

One thing to pay special attention to is the sheeting angle, both horizontal and
vertical. I have seen a lot of storm sails that did not set very effectively and
somehow nobody seemed to care or think it mattered. It seems to me this would be
even more important in a survival situation than in a race.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

 
 
 

Where to look for used storm sails ( Storm Stay sail Try sail)

Post by Russ Barro » Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:43:32

Search results from http://www.baconsails.com
Lots more jibs and trysails too.
I have never gotten a sail I was disappointed with from these folks.

Catalog No 87-JFQ-117
                                         Luff 21' 0"
                                                       Foot 10' 7"

Leech 14'
11"

Head 0' 0"

Price $ 475.00
           STORM JIB, 10 OZ. TRIPLESTITCHED DACRON, BY ULMER. MITRED.
3/16" LUFF

           TAPE WITH SAFETY STRAPS & HANKS TO MEET RACING RULE
SPECIFICATIONS.
           12" TACK PENDANT. 29'0" HEAD PENDANT. LIGHT SOIL. MINOR
CONTACT RUST
           STAINS. YELLOW BAG. EXCELLENT.

                                                   Bacon & Associates
410-263-4880

               Catalog No 300-JOH-101
                                           Luff 21' 3"
                                                         Foot 9' 6"

Leech 16'
5"

Head 0' 0"

Price $ 435.00
           STORM JIB, 7.5 OZ. TRIPLESTITCHED DACRON, BY DUFOUR. MITRED.
2-1/2"
           BRONZE PISTON HANKS ON COVERED WIRE LUFF. LEECH LINE. 16'6"
HEAD
           PENDANT. 18" TACK PENDANT. LIGHT SOIL & STAINS. YELLOW BAG.
EXCELLENT.

Quote:

> I have a 38 ft Ingrid cutter. Full keel, double ender, displacing 13.5 ton.

> Sail plan calls for: Storm Stays'l >> 22'x14'10"x10'9", Storm Trys'l >>
> 18'x22'9"x10'10".

> As you can see these are very small sails and anything close to these
> dimensions in the used sail listings, will turn out to be of light cloth and
> for a day sailer. Hence my frustration with Minney's listings.

> A storm staysail or a storm trysail  is heavily reenforced and rather flat
> cut (very little draft), no roach, normally roped all-round, etc. Nothing
> like a regular working sail.

> Steve
> s/v Good Intentions