Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by Mike Samoduro » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00


My first posting to a newsgroup ever. I'm thinking of building a rather
large sailing trimaran. Big enough ( 60 - 70') for several to live
comfortable during blue water cruising. I have tried to get the idea out of
my head for the last 20 years. When I go to bed each night the only thing
that calms me down to sleep is thinking about building this thing. I really
want to know if there are any others out there this has, is or avoided
going through the same thing?

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by Karl Rutherfor » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

I too am considering construction of a large multihull. A catamaran of
about 45-50 feet, and built in steel (a material I am familiar with). A
design similar in nature to a trawler. Safe, slow, comfortable. Any
thoughts or comments from the group?..karl

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by Butch Burt » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>My first posting to a newsgroup ever. I'm thinking of building a rather
>large sailing trimaran. Big enough ( 60 - 70') for several to live
>comfortable during blue water cruising. I have tried to get the idea out of
>my head for the last 20 years. When I go to bed each night the only thing
>that calms me down to sleep is thinking about building this thing. I really
>want to know if there are any others out there this has, is or avoided
>going through the same thing?

Mike
I have also got the tri bug-I have purchased sailing design portfolios
from Kurt Hughes and Chris White.  I like the cylinder moulder
construction of Kurt's but like Chris's mini pilot house on his hammer
head 54.  Chris utilizes a strip or plank construction
approach-heavier and may not be stronger.  Kurt's technique utilizes
alternate layers of very thin plywood laminated with epoxy and glass
over the top.  I am going to try to go the Miami boat show next month
and see some of the larger tri's at this show.  

If you want addresses/phone #'s etc-just ask for them

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by Michael Colf » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>I too am considering construction of a large multihull. A catamaran of
>about 45-50 feet, and built in steel (a material I am familiar with). A
>design similar in nature to a trawler. Safe, slow, comfortable. Any
>thoughts or comments from the group?..karl

If you have never built a boat, then you would be crazy - really crazy -
to start with such a large project.  I mean we are all crazy in one very
real sense of the word, or we would not be dumping so much of our time
and money into boats.  Yet building a boat is a very special experience -
mystical, hard work, satisfying like no other work can be, creative,
artistic, etc., etc.  The copulate of engineering and art is at its
finest in boatbuilding.  However....I would strongly recommend building a
smaller one first.  For several reasons.  But, sez you, I can't afford
the time or the money to build two boats.  Of course not, sez I, and I
would not advize you to waste anything.  The fact is, that the time and
money you spend building a 20 or 25' boat will be saved at least once ,
if not twice, when you go to build the big one.  Experience is an awesome
asset.  But, sez you, I don't want to build one for resale...just for me.
 Sorry, sez I, but all boats are built for resale sooner or later.  The
more particularized your boat is, the harder it will be to sell.  You
already know that, because you have spent 20 yrs looking at boats, and
have seen nothing just like you want.  For good reason.  You're the only
one that wants it.  I sold a 35' schooner for 35k for the same reason.  
So would I do it differently this time?  No.  But I knew when I started,
that like my PhD in Anthropology, my 35' engineless gaff schooner, hard
chine, would not be worth much when I was through.  You best bet is to
start, right now, reading every boat book you can lay to hand.  Spend two
years at that, while you build a dinghy for the 25' wharram cat.  Good
luck.  And for God's sake - have fun.  If you don't it is definitely not
worth the enormous effort you are contemplating.

Michael Colfer
Whidbey Island
(building a sharpie, of all things, so I should talk?)

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by J.J. Hoekstr » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> My first posting to a newsgroup ever. I'm thinking of building a rather
> large sailing trimaran. Big enough ( 60 - 70') for several to live
> comfortable during blue water cruising. I have tried to get the idea out of
> my head for the last 20 years. When I go to bed each night the only thing
> that calms me down to sleep is thinking about building this thing. I really
> want to know if there are any others out there this has, is or avoided
> going through the same thing?

Hi Mike,

Boat building: YES

60-70': No way!! Unless you have 4-5 full-time co-workers. 35 - 40' is
big enough to live comfortably.

Advice: build a small (15 - 20') boat and extrapolate the needed to time
to a 60-70' boat. This way you'll know that it is to big.

Jeroen Hoekstra

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by JKline67 » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Something like 20 Yrs ago, no less than 9 steele boats were built within a
25 mile radious of Ft. Wayne, In.  One was sold before it was finished,
One was never finnished, and one was launched before the interior was
finished.  The rest were sailed off into the sunset. Of those that sailed
off, One was made into a commercial fishing boat, after 10 Yrs of being a
sail boat, and one was sold after 2 yrs and the owner went back to land.
Most took about from 7-10 yrs to complete.  I took a look at a Gazel and
re designed it to keep the style, but ended up with a completly different
boat.  I worked full time at another job and still finished it in a record
2.5 yrs.  It has been 12 yrs since launching and we still live on her.
Would I do it again??? Probably, as I would not have gotten what I want
any other way.  It really wasn't as difficult as people led me to believe.
 Actually, it was a lot of fun and I had mixed feelings when it was done.
Once I got in to the project, and saw the progress each evening, when it
stopped, there was somewhat of a let down, like" what do I do next."  I am
thinking of buying a lawn mower to watch it rust away on the dock.  Jim

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by Nick Whi » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>My first posting to a newsgroup ever. I'm thinking of building a rather
>large sailing trimaran. Big enough ( 60 - 70') for several to live
>comfortable during blue water cruising. I have tried to get the idea out of
>my head for the last 20 years. When I go to bed each night the only thing
>that calms me down to sleep is thinking about building this thing. I really
>want to know if there are any others out there this has, is or avoided
>going through the same thing?

Your message does not say how much you have had to do with boats. I
will assume the lowest common denominator.

Have you built any boats, or a house? Did you finish them properly and
feel really proud of the result? Have you done any sailing? Have you
lots of money ($1/4-1/2 million)? Do you work full time to get that
money? Do you have a family? Are they 200% behind the idea? Will your
partner work full time to support your building the boat? Probably in
return for your being broke, tired, irritable, dejected (or at least
very manic/depressive as things are going good or bad on the boat).

How selfish can you be?

Do you have the skills in ANY area of boatbuilding? (For a tri you
would probably look at aluminium welding, fibreglass, or ply, or all
three or any combination). You also need to be a cabinet maker,
rigger, engineer, electrical/electronic technician, personnel manager,
and wheeler dealer.

Are you in good health? (I know a guy who built a 40' cement yacht,
and went through a packet of smokes just while they turned the hull).

How old are you? Do you drink? You will either give up completely
(broke) or take it up completely (broken <G>)

Are you able to carry out tedious tasks, but without the ease that
makes these tasks easier for those highly skilled at them (miles of
welding, hours of fibreglass laying etc)?

In that 20 years of dreaming have you done anything about starting or
really planning to build? Plan preferences, materials, costing,
transport considerations once built, building site selection/booking
needs/costs? Have you learnt coastal/celestial navigation?

This boat will cost a LOT of money (as much as a big, high quality
house), and take you many months (years!) to build and fit out
properly. Just the rent on the space to build would be enormous,
unless you are lucky enough to live on the water's edge. Plans will
cost thousands.

I would imagine that to move the thing any distance would cost
thousands in itself. This boat would be maybe 30' wide, or more. Tris
like that don't just fold down <G>.

Among other nautical endeavours, I have built a 23' cat, and did it in
an amateur boatyard. It took me 9 months...rigged but minimally fitted
out inside. There were MANY broken dreams just sitting there, most of
them badly built and almost unsellable (and CERTAINLY unsailable), and
many people who had used all of their spare time and money for the
last 5 (minimum) years to near completion. Broken marriages, etc etc.

I dreamed of building a larger boat (40' is a LOT of boat to build,
let alone a 60-70' tri!) but built the smaller one, and watching the
results of others' efforts scared, even if it didn't cure me. I still
dream, but satisfy my longings with working on and with lesser craft.

I'm not saying don't do it. Building a boat is a beautiful thing and
people do it. I've done and helped with many myself. But your chances
of success are greatly affected by the answers to the above questions.
The dream can become a nightmare of immense proportions. And a
half-built boat is worth nowhere what you put in in materials,
usually, let alone the work, if you try to sell it.

If you haven't cruised aboard before, do so, on someone else's boat,
or buy a smaller one and have a go, to get used to the realities. Crew
on yachts in races/cruises. Anything.

Help to build another person's boat, for free, for a while. It's no
more a waste of time than building your own <G>.

Anyone who builds amateur boats is crazy! My thought is that you look
at from the point of view that by the time you have finished it, you
could be 5-30 years older. If you finish it, you will use it, from
what I have seen of amateur builders. Those that get that far go on,
to various levels of success, in sailing. But if you get even nearly
there and don;t finish, you will hate it.

Of course, if you do have half a mil, and lots of time, and all the
above things are GO, then good luck to you <G>. I had some time to
fill in.....

Nick White

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by Jim Forres » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Of course you're crazy.  All boat builders are crazy!  

A crazy boatbuilder.

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by Paul and Cindy Kru » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>My first posting to a newsgroup ever. I'm thinking of building a rather
>large sailing trimaran. Big enough ( 60 - 70') for several to live
>comfortable during blue water cruising. I have tried to get the idea out of
>my head for the last 20 years. When I go to bed each night the only thing
>that calms me down to sleep is thinking about building this thing. I really
>want to know if there are any others out there this has, is or avoided
>going through the same thing?

That is a very large boat.  You do not metion what your experience in
boat building is, so I am assuming that this may be your first
building project.  If so, consider building the dingy first.

You are certainly not crazy.  We are building a 56 foot cat.  It is a
long term project, requiring much patience.  In your case, if you are
able to work on this boat every day, figure about ten years to
complete it.


 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by FInsl » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00

 Save time, learn a craft and save a old wooden boat! They are available
in any large river at older marinas many for free! Learn, repair and
rebuild to your hearts content all with very little risk and cash. If you
choose an managable project, you can reutilize a teams best effort the
wooden boat and focus on details of repairs. I have always been able to
resell my projects and move up. Good Luck!

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by adi » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> My first posting to a newsgroup ever. I'm thinking of building a rather
> large sailing trimaran. Big enough ( 60 - 70') for several to live
> comfortable during blue water cruising. I have tried to get the idea out
of
> my head for the last 20 years. When I go to bed each night the only thing
> that calms me down to sleep is thinking about building this thing. I
really
> want to know if there are any others out there this has, is or avoided
> going through the same thing?

i built my sloop some 18 years ago, it took me 5 years, i had good time
building and am enyoing sailing it till today, we were all over the
mediterean an lived aboard 8 years.
it is a beautifull project if you like doing things by your self but
financially you can do better buying an used boat!!!
and self build boats dont get their value when you want to sell them.      

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by Jack A. Rosber » Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Uff Da!

60-70 feet is an enormous first effort.  My first was a complete rebuild (3
years) of a 54 chris craft sportsman.  got the bug bad, followed with two
small sailboats (15 and 26 feet) and four stip kayaks (finally got it right
with the last one).

I am currently building a boat barn on some land we own on coastal maine.
The point is to take a crack at a real boat, maybe 30.  Hope I live long
enough to get the damn barn done!!

the point is, do it. but do one you will actually finish in your lifetime

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by . » Sun, 02 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Mr. Samodurov;

Are you crazy?

Most likely the answer is yes, but welcome to the "club." :->

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by da.. » Mon, 03 Feb 1997 04:00:00

:Mr. Samodurov;
:
:Are you crazy?
:
:Most likely the answer is yes, but welcome to the "club." :->
:
 You really need to ask yourself just one question: are you building
the boat because you enjoy boatbuilding, or as a means to get out
sailing? If the latter, don't build: buy.

--  Dave Brooks    <http://www.iinet.net.au/~daveb>
PGP public key via <http://www.iinet.net.au/~daveb/crypto.html>, or servers
    "From" line rigged to foil spambots: daveb <at> iinet.net.au

 
 
 

Thinking of building a boat. Am I crazy?

Post by M. McCallu » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00

not crazy, just an infection that science and medicine can't cure. After
hundreds of years I think there going to determine a segiment of the DNA
has a boat gene. Some people have a *** and some have a resesive
gene. I'm interested in 50 ft Cat or Pilot house cutter with shallow
draft and electric motor power. I built small 18 and 24" sail boats
twenty years ago and when I have bad days, crusing along on the water is
my dream. And I don't own a boat. YET!