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by **ASAPLAYE** » Wed, 03 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Filling Fast
Southern California "ASA" Turkey Tournament .

ASA Players Association is very e***d to hold this tounament at
Chino Hills Community Park. Chino Hills park has 6 lighted fields all in
ONE location, it has a great family atmosphere..... A full snackbar and even
"real" bathrooms, .$260.00 pool play single elimination. 10,12,14,16u It's a
great way to spend your holiday weekend. .For more info call Brenda

host:Tuff e Nuff (Mike Stith)

ENTRY FORM BELOW

November 26-28th

Southern California ASA Players Association

Location Chino Hills Community Park located at Grand and Peyton off
the 71 freeway.

Classifications 10u12u14u16u

Entry Fees $260.00 Per Team

Format 4 game guarantee Pool Play single Elimination
everyone advances from pool
play

Awards Sweatshirts for 1st and medals for 2nd

For More Info Brenda Marsh (909) 591-3707 email

Registration Deadline: November 12th 1999
* Portions of this tournament fees will go to the ASA Players
Association scholarship fund..
** In the event of rain refer to the ASA rule/code book
Host: Tuff e Nuff Mike Stith

Team Name_________________________Div._______________
Address________________________________________________________
Coaches Name___________________________________
Phone_______________________________
Fax___________________________Email__________________________
Make checks payable to: ASA Send to Linda Henry 424 Lakewood Ventura Ca 93004

by **Skip** » Thu, 04 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I went to this tournament last year. It was very disorganized. For the
last two years all ASA organized tournaments were bad. It's what me and
a lot of coaches feel soooo if you enter, be prepared for the worse.

Skip

Quote:

> Filling Fast
> Southern California "ASA" Turkey
Tournament .

> ASA Players Association is very e***d to hold this
tounament at
> Chino Hills Community Park. Chino Hills park has 6 lighted fields
all in
> ONE location, it has a great family atmosphere..... A full snackbar
and even
> "real" bathrooms, .$260.00 pool play single elimination.

10,12,14,16u It's a

Quote:

> great way to spend your holiday weekend. .For more info call Brenda

> host:Tuff e Nuff (Mike Stith)

> ENTRY FORM BELOW

> November 26-28th

> Southern California ASA Players Association

> Location Chino Hills Community Park located at Grand and
Peyton off
> the 71 freeway.

> Classifications 10u12u14u16u

> Entry Fees $260.00 Per Team

> Format 4 game guarantee Pool Play
single Elimination
> everyone advances
from pool
> play

> Awards Sweatshirts for 1st and medals for 2nd

> For More Info Brenda Marsh (909) 591-3707 email

> Registration Deadline: November 12th 1999
> * Portions of this tournament fees will go to the ASA Players
> Association scholarship fund..
> ** In the event of rain refer to the ASA rule/code book
> Host: Tuff e Nuff Mike Stith

> Team Name_________________________Div._______________
> Address________________________________________________________
> Coaches Name___________________________________
> Phone_______________________________
> Fax___________________________Email__________________________
> Make checks payable to: ASA Send to Linda Henry 424 Lakewood Ventura
Ca 93004

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by **Soptty** » Thu, 04 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I agree with Skip... In this case you might be better off if you wind up "LEFT
OUT" of the "filling fast ASA TURKEY Tournament".

No offence to the folks at "Tuff-E Nuff" But the SO. CA ASA Folks need some
help !

So you ask "What do they do for help ?" They recruit one of Southern
California's greatest coaches and scorekeepers. Ok maybe greatest is the wrong
descriptive. Good luck with the "Malcoms" ASA. They should help in the Turkey
department....

by **LUCY FAN** » Fri, 05 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Soptty
I just want to thank you for you wonderful kind words. This year the players
Assocation has taken on the Tournament Director role. We are looking forward to
a wonderful Tournament, not only is the plan to put on a great weekend, but to
take all if any money made and give it right back to the girls in scholorships.
Thanks ahead of time from all those girls who will not benifit from this due
to coaches like you. I only hope that the girls that play on your team will
read this and thank you by finding a new team to play on where they can be
better supported. Gee you must be friends with Vince......
PS In the future keep your coments to yourself

by **Mike Golin** » Fri, 05 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Lucy Fan,
I was just wondering how many teams would be in this tournament, and how
much money do you plan on making?

Mike Golini

Quote:

>Soptty
> I just want to thank you for you wonderful kind words. This year the
players
>Assocation has taken on the Tournament Director role. We are looking
forward to
>a wonderful Tournament, not only is the plan to put on a great weekend, but
to
>take all if any money made and give it right back to the girls in
scholorships.
>Thanks ahead of time from all those girls who will not benifit from this
due
>to coaches like you. I only hope that the girls that play on your team will
>read this and thank you by finding a new team to play on where they can be
>better supported. Gee you must be friends with Vince......
>PS In the future keep your coments to yourself

by **Ddc2** » Sat, 06 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Soptty
> I just want to thank you for you wonderful kind words. This year the players
>Assocation has taken on the Tournament Director role. We are looking forward
>to
>a wonderful Tournament, not only is the plan to put on a great weekend, but
>to
>take all if any money made and give it right back to the girls in
>scholorships.
>Thanks ahead of time from all those girls who will not benifit from this due
>to coaches like you. I only hope that the girls that play on your team will
>read this and thank you by finding a new team to play on where they can be
>better supported. Gee you must be friends with Vince......
>PS In the future keep your coments to yourself

Lucy Fan:- This tournament in the pass year's was "WEAK" at best. If you fixed
it great, but will wait and see.And what's with this statement ?
"not only is the plan to put on a great weekend,but to TAKE ALL IF ANY MONEY
MADE and give it right back to the girls in scholorships"
You don't think your going to make any money, or is it when you get done paying
your selfs that money that is left, if any?
And if Bill & Joyic Malcom are involved then you did screw-it up.I've seen
jelly fish with more back bone than Bill, and if you want to know great Joyic
is just ask her, she'll tell you,if your one of her pet.Bill and Joyic Malcom
should both be band from any girls fastpich softball. Whoever the idiot was at
ASA that hired Bill should go see a proctologist, because they can't be
thinking with their brain.
PS As far as keeping coments to ourselves, don't read it if you don't like it.

by **Skip** » Sun, 07 Nov 1999 04:00:00

According to Lucy the ASA Player Association gives so many things back
to the players. That's nice, but do they really. As a member of ASA
have we seen a financial accounting. Tuff-E-Nuff may be supplying the
fields and may make a profit on the Snack Bar and that's good. But if
the ASA makes the brackets God help those that entered. Since 1998 ASA
organized tournaments are very poor. ASA may think we are stupid, but
don't think we don't know that ASA is the ones that comeout with
profit not the coaches or players.

Quote:

> I agree with Skip... In this case you might be better off if you
wind up "LEFT
> OUT" of the "filling fast ASA TURKEY Tournament".

> No offence to the folks at "Tuff-E Nuff" But the SO. CA ASA Folks
need some
> help !

> So you ask "What do they do for help ?" They recruit one of Southern
> California's greatest coaches and scorekeepers. Ok maybe greatest is
the wrong
> descriptive. Good luck with the "Malcoms" ASA. They should help in
the Turkey
> department....

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by **Asapa** » Sun, 07 Nov 1999 04:00:00

You say ASA comes out with the profits-what about the other organizations. Lets
tell it as it is.

by **Pobo** » Sun, 07 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>According to Lucy the ASA Player Association gives so many things back
>to the players. That's nice, but do they really.

Here we go again.....Big, Bad, ASA is dominating, hording cash, and just plain
unreasonble...

I'm confused here:

You joined the organization.....probably because it was in the best interest
for your daughter....right?????

The organization, must have funds to run on....right?????

Memberships....I think it's $15.00???? is not enough $$$'s to fund the light
bill....so they have to generate$$$'s to continue to promote the Socal girls
that are members....

And I'll just bet you haven't volunteered to help....just sit back and be an
armchair critic....right???

So as I see it....you have a couple of really easy options......

1) Don't join....if you don't agree with what they are doing.....don't send
in your $15.00....I don't think it's a mandatory association.

2) If you don't like the way the funds are utilized.....get involved. In that
kind of a program....you usually have 1 or 2 people that do all the work...and
would love to have your help.

Quote:

>ASA may think we are stupid, but

ya think?

Quote:

>But if
>the ASA makes the brackets God help those that entered.

God help them??? what's the big deal....I could think of a lot more important
things to call on God for help....but brackets at a softball tournament would
not be one of them.......

I'd at least ask for help with a national championship.....or a full ride to
UCLA.....now that's a bit more worthy of getting him outta bed.

bob

by **Luv th ga** » Sun, 07 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>I agree with Skip... In this case you might be better off if you wind up
>"LEFT
>OUT" of the "filling fast ASA TURKEY Tournament".

>No offence to the folks at "Tuff-E Nuff" But the SO. CA ASA Folks need some
>help !

>So you ask "What do they do for help ?" They recruit one of Southern
>California's greatest coaches and scorekeepers. Ok maybe greatest is the
>wrong
>descriptive. Good luck with the "Malcoms" ASA. They should help in the
>Turkey
>department....

The tournament last year was so - so. They had some teams and game times wrong.
Not to bad if you like sitting around for 2 or 3 hours. But one thing is right
on, both the Malcoms are turkeys, and so is ASA for hiring them.

by **Skip** » Mon, 08 Nov 1999 04:00:00

To: POBob
Hey Bob have you been to the SoCal ASA Ran tournaments in the last two
years? You say don't pay the $15 to join. Let's Double + that for the
travel teams down here. We do know it takes money to run a program us
coaches must answer to the parents about where the money goes. Why
doesn't ASA? A lot of us have shown interest in volunteering but SCASA
isn't interest in those of us that may rock their boat and ask too many
pointed questions about what goes on.

Skip

Quote:

> >According to Lucy the ASA Player Association gives so many things
back
> >to the players. That's nice, but do they really.

> Here we go again.....Big, Bad, ASA is dominating, hording cash, and
just plain
> unreasonble...

> I'm confused here:

> You joined the organization.....probably because it was in the best
interest
> for your daughter....right?????

> The organization, must have funds to run on....right?????

> Memberships....I think it's $15.00???? is not enough $$$'s to fund
the light
> bill....so they have to generate$$$'s to continue to promote the
Socal girls
> that are members....

> And I'll just bet you haven't volunteered to help....just sit back
and be an
> armchair critic....right???

> So as I see it....you have a couple of really easy options......

> 1) Don't join....if you don't agree with what they are

doing.....don't send

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Quote:

> in your $15.00....I don't think it's a mandatory association.

> 2) If you don't like the way the funds are utilized.....get
involved. In that
> kind of a program....you usually have 1 or 2 people that do all the
work...and
> would love to have your help.

> >ASA may think we are stupid, but

> ya think?

> >But if
> >the ASA makes the brackets God help those that entered.

> God help them??? what's the big deal....I could think of a lot more
important
> things to call on God for help....but brackets at a softball
tournament would
> not be one of them.......

> I'd at least ask for help with a national championship.....or a full
ride to
> UCLA.....now that's a bit more worthy of getting him outta bed.

> bob

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by **LvSoftba** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hey Skip,

First you dont know what your talking about, $15.00 is just to get in the
college
network. And I know it really is helping the girls because my daughter was
one. And what team do you have in ASA, you really dont sound like you know
whats going on.
Again, Im sure they can use your HELP, call.

by **Pobo** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>To: POBob
>Hey Bob have you been to the SoCal ASA Ran tournaments in the last two
>years?

Actually Skip....yes I have. We've been to a few when my daughter was playing
in 14U's. I thought they did a great job of managing the tourney.

Quote:

>You say don't pay the $15 to join. Let's Double + that for the
>travel teams down here.

Maybe there's some confusion here Skip. In your earlier post you kept
mentioning ASA and the Players Association as one in the same.

My understanding that the Players Association is an optional group that strives
to get their members in touch with collegiate programs for post season play and
schooling. I am also under the understanding that it costs $15.00 to join and
that it is totally optional.

It seems to me that this is not a bad thing.

It is my understanding that it's the Players Association that works with
Tuff-e-Nuff every winter to host the Thanksgiving tournament....and my daughter
has played there...and they do a great job.

Now...if your beef is with ASA.....i still maintain that you need to get off
the couch...and get involved. This whole organization is run on the backs of
volunteers, so, I doubt they would turn very few potential workers away.

If your plan was to walk in and become the local commissioner....then...you'll
probably have a long wait. You have to start off on the bottom..like the rest
of us...and prove yourself as you go along.

The system is not perfect....but you do have the option to get involved and try
to make it better.

Or...you may choose to continue coaching..which is a very admirable...and tough
position (actually tougher than mosts positions you could hold within
ASA)....that's ok too.....just get to know your local JO's and work with
him/her towards improving the organization.

Quote:

>coaches must answer to the parents about where the money goes. Why
>doesn't ASA?

See Above......and there are many other organizations in socal....if you don't
like this one. This one just happens to be the best.

Quote:

> A lot of us have shown interest in volunteering but SCASA
>isn't interest in those of us that may rock their boat and ask too many
>pointed questions about what goes on.

Again...i maybe a bit confused..but over the last few years...you've had a
number of retirements and resignations....those people had to be replaced with
someone.....and those replaced with someone...and on and on.

I find it hard to believe that they can't find one thing for a talented person,
such as yourself, to do.

I must warn you though....from personal experience: I made a simple offer to
help a few years ago....and they've been working my ass of ever since......lol

Keep after it Skip....it takes all of us to keep this thing going.

bob

by **Skip** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hey Luv,

I don't think pobob was talking about the college network but the fee
to join ASA in his area. The fee I said was for SoCal ASA travel team
membership fees. Doesn't any parent today have their kids playing
softball for the fun of the game and learning teamwork. I did have a
team this year but I'm tired of the ASA and parent BS. From now on I
will give all my time only to my daughter instead of the sharing our
life with other parents kids.

Quote:

> Hey Skip,

> First you dont know what your talking about, $15.00 is just to get in
the
> college
> network. And I know it really is helping the girls because my
daughter was
> one. And what team do you have in ASA, you really dont sound like you
know
> whats going on.
> Again, Im sure they can use your HELP, call.

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by **Skip** » Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hey pobob,
Thanks for your input. The Player Association is part of SoCal ASA.
Check the Entry Form for the Player Association Turkey Tournament to
where the entry fee is going: Linda Henry the now SoCal ASA J.O.
Commissioner. In case you hadn't heard Joanne Venditto resigned. If you
went to a Mays, Chambrone or Haning tournament then they usually are
well run. Occasionally, a ASA run national qualify has been good. I
have done my part with coaching and volunteered to help a
ASA Recreation League. I have heard about some dictated SoCal ASA
mandatory directives that causes some concern to the league program.
With the retirements and the resignations SoCal ASA is no longer the
organization that it once was. A few years ago we had some that cared
about the teams.
Skip

Quote:

> >To: POBob
> >Hey Bob have you been to the SoCal ASA Ran tournaments in the last
two
> >years?

> Actually Skip....yes I have. We've been to a few when my daughter was
playing
> in 14U's. I thought they did a great job of managing the tourney.

> >You say don't pay the $15 to join. Let's Double + that for the
> >travel teams down here.

> Maybe there's some confusion here Skip. In your earlier post you kept
> mentioning ASA and the Players Association as one in the same.

> My understanding that the Players Association is an optional group
that strives
> to get their members in touch with collegiate programs for post
season play and
> schooling. I am also under the understanding that it costs $15.00 to
join and
> that it is totally optional.

> It seems to me that this is not a bad thing.

> It is my understanding that it's the Players Association that works
with
> Tuff-e-Nuff every winter to host the Thanksgiving tournament....and
my daughter
> has played there...and they do a great job.

> Now...if your beef is with ASA.....i still maintain that you need to
get off
> the couch...and get involved. This whole organization is run on the
backs of
> volunteers, so, I doubt they would turn very few potential workers
away.

> If your plan was to walk in and become the local

commissioner....then...you'll

Quote:

> probably have a long wait. You have to start off on the bottom..like
the rest
> of us...and prove yourself as you go along.

> The system is not perfect....but you do have the option to get
involved and try
> to make it better.

> Or...you may choose to continue coaching..which is a very

admirable...and tough

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Quote:

> position (actually tougher than mosts positions you could hold within
> ASA)....that's ok too.....just get to know your local JO's and work
with
> him/her towards improving the organization.

> >coaches must answer to the parents about where the money goes. Why
> >doesn't ASA?

> See Above......and there are many other organizations in socal....if
you don't
> like this one. This one just happens to be the best.

> > A lot of us have shown interest in volunteering but SCASA
> >isn't interest in those of us that may rock their boat and ask too
many
> >pointed questions about what goes on.

> Again...i maybe a bit confused..but over the last few years...you've
had a
> number of retirements and resignations....those people had to be
replaced with
> someone.....and those replaced with someone...and on and on.

> I find it hard to believe that they can't find one thing for a
talented person,
> such as yourself, to do.

> I must warn you though....from personal experience: I made a simple
offer to
> help a few years ago....and they've been working my ass of ever
since......lol

> Keep after it Skip....it takes all of us to keep this thing going.

> bob

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