18 Gold Info-ASA Meeting ???

18 Gold Info-ASA Meeting ???

Post by Rebels1 » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:37:24


Ok Sorry I got to the ASA meeting late and just want to clarify what I noted.
Last year we had 31 or 32 teams go from California to Gold Nationals.
They did away with the gold point system which clearly helped some California
teams go to Nationals (Which a lot of the confusion regarding gold points could
have been fixed fairly easily by giving teams a number and going by that
instead of name, but whatever)
One of the reasons given was it would save money.
Last year we played in Phoenix (Drivable), Las Vegas (Drivable),
Lancaster(Drivable), Rancho Cucamonga (Drivable) and we flew into Colorado to
play in a tournament there.

This year we have 16 berths for all of California and Oregon, Washington
We have Sacramento-4 Berths
We have Las Vegas-2 Berths
We have Lancaster-5 berths
We have Seattle, Washington-5 berths  This is the one on July 13th-14 (Right?)
One of things we requested was that all this was concluded early not 3 weeks
before Nationals.  
May have to fly out of state
So we now may have 2 out of state flights instead of one.  So, for most teams
this will be MORE expensive and we have half as many berths.  Is this correct??
Or am I missing something here.

We can go into Sectors that do not have 24 teams as of May something But we
have no idea how those spots will be awarded, when the entries are to be sent,
and Phoenix is capping their tournament to 24 teams.  So, these will all be
last minute flights at much higher prices than when we could plan ahead.  

I guess I am just really confused at how this was supposed to help Gold teams
especially here in California.  And if I have my information correct.

Also, did anyone get an 18 Gold and 18 Under team list?? There was not one in
my package.
Are more teams moving to A since there seems to be more opportunities and A and
Gold are  different weeks???
Thanks for info.
Pris

 
 
 

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Post by Bill Smi » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:41:07

Priscilla,

Everything you noted is true as near as I can ascertain from what has been
presented to us here in NorCal.  The only thing you didn't allow for was the
teams that have "pre-qualified" from SoCal via last year's Gold (or "A") finish
at nationals.  Since the total number was reduced to 64 teams (with the
addition of four spots this year to accomodate the three "A" teams, I know,
four spots for three teams, but this is ASA math, ya know), there could not be
as many total qualifying spaces available.

With 128 spaces available to "A" age group nationals versus the 64/68 at Gold
nationals, it would seem to be a migration might take place.  However, this is
exactly what the "drafting committee" would have desired.  A system that would
perpetuate their teams' trip to nationals, by finishing high enough to be
included thus avoiding qualifying.  A team's recruiting could be based by the
"pre-qualified" status.  Of course, I only conjecture.  I am sure that the
process we have in place is one that "... for the girls".

The problem with going to other sectors is their tournaments would appear to be
played at similar times as our Region 14 offerings.  This, along with the
points to which you alluded, would make inter-sector play not as likely an
alternative as it was earlier presented.

Oh well, bottom line, be good and be lucky, if you want to be at nationals.

Bill Smith
Tennis Professional USPTA, USRSA

 
 
 

18 Gold Info-ASA Meeting ???

Post by Jazzso » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:27:46

Quote:
>Oh well, bottom line, be good and be lucky, if you want to be at nationals.

Or play somewhere else.

Not signed

 
 
 

18 Gold Info-ASA Meeting ???

Post by Scorke » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:38:44

Quote:
>Or play somewhere else.

That maybe the ticket!!
 
 
 

18 Gold Info-ASA Meeting ???

Post by messeng » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:58:49

Would love to know what was said at the asa meeting today.  The gold
breakdown as well as the 18A.
 
 
 

18 Gold Info-ASA Meeting ???

Post by Andy Anderso » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:01:08

I know one thing, Steve Monson was supposed to go to bat for us and get
the qualifers local. I hardly see Sacremento or Vegas as local and
everyone knows Lancaster is run over 4 days and requires over night
stays. I have no clue why they would split the 6 berths between
Sacremento and Vegas except for money and because they know teams will
travel. It is inane to schedule back to back qualifers in Sacremento
during finals week for most Socal Schools and during graduation week in
Vages. Teams going to Sacremento may have to fly or spend a school night
on a long drive. Teams that go to Seattle and qualify and have gone to
Colorado will have 3 plane flights minimum.
Quote:

> Ok Sorry I got to the ASA meeting late and just want to clarify what I noted.
> Last year we had 31 or 32 teams go from California to Gold Nationals.
> They did away with the gold point system which clearly helped some California
> teams go to Nationals (Which a lot of the confusion regarding gold points could
> have been fixed fairly easily by giving teams a number and going by that
> instead of name, but whatever)
> One of the reasons given was it would save money.
> Last year we played in Phoenix (Drivable), Las Vegas (Drivable),
> Lancaster(Drivable), Rancho Cucamonga (Drivable) and we flew into Colorado to
> play in a tournament there.

> This year we have 16 berths for all of California and Oregon, Washington
> We have Sacramento-4 Berths
> We have Las Vegas-2 Berths
> We have Lancaster-5 berths
> We have Seattle, Washington-5 berths  This is the one on July 13th-14 (Right?)
> One of things we requested was that all this was concluded early not 3 weeks
> before Nationals.
> May have to fly out of state
> So we now may have 2 out of state flights instead of one.  So, for most teams
> this will be MORE expensive and we have half as many berths.  Is this correct??
> Or am I missing something here.

> We can go into Sectors that do not have 24 teams as of May something But we
> have no idea how those spots will be awarded, when the entries are to be sent,
> and Phoenix is capping their tournament to 24 teams.  So, these will all be
> last minute flights at much higher prices than when we could plan ahead.

> I guess I am just really confused at how this was supposed to help Gold teams
> especially here in California.  And if I have my information correct.

> Also, did anyone get an 18 Gold and 18 Under team list?? There was not one in
> my package.
> Are more teams moving to A since there seems to be more opportunities and A and
> Gold are  different weeks???
> Thanks for info.
> Pris

 
 
 

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Post by Jazzso » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:26:44

Quote:
>That maybe the ticket!!

Might even be a whole lot cheaper too!!!!!

Not Signed

 
 
 

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Post by cya.. » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:02:37

I understand that there was some consensus that coaches would write letters to
protest the Las Vegas/2 berths, Sacramento 4 berths decision.
1.  Who is it that has the power to change this decision?
2.  are letters going to change anything?
3.  will the letters be written?
Sharon
Quote:

> I know one thing, Steve Monson was supposed to go to bat for us and get
> the qualifers local. I hardly see Sacremento or Vegas as local and
> everyone knows Lancaster is run over 4 days and requires over night
> stays. I have no clue why they would split the 6 berths between
> Sacremento and Vegas except for money and because they know teams will
> travel. It is inane to schedule back to back qualifers in Sacremento
> during finals week for most Socal Schools and during graduation week in
> Vages. Teams going to Sacremento may have to fly or spend a school night
> on a long drive. Teams that go to Seattle and qualify and have gone to
> Colorado will have 3 plane flights minimum.


> > Ok Sorry I got to the ASA meeting late and just want to clarify what I noted.
> > Last year we had 31 or 32 teams go from California to Gold Nationals.
> > They did away with the gold point system which clearly helped some California
> > teams go to Nationals (Which a lot of the confusion regarding gold points could
> > have been fixed fairly easily by giving teams a number and going by that
> > instead of name, but whatever)
> > One of the reasons given was it would save money.
> > Last year we played in Phoenix (Drivable), Las Vegas (Drivable),
> > Lancaster(Drivable), Rancho Cucamonga (Drivable) and we flew into Colorado to
> > play in a tournament there.

> > This year we have 16 berths for all of California and Oregon, Washington
> > We have Sacramento-4 Berths
> > We have Las Vegas-2 Berths
> > We have Lancaster-5 berths
> > We have Seattle, Washington-5 berths  This is the one on July 13th-14 (Right?)
> > One of things we requested was that all this was concluded early not 3 weeks
> > before Nationals.
> > May have to fly out of state
> > So we now may have 2 out of state flights instead of one.  So, for most teams
> > this will be MORE expensive and we have half as many berths.  Is this correct??
> > Or am I missing something here.

> > We can go into Sectors that do not have 24 teams as of May something But we
> > have no idea how those spots will be awarded, when the entries are to be sent,
> > and Phoenix is capping their tournament to 24 teams.  So, these will all be
> > last minute flights at much higher prices than when we could plan ahead.

> > I guess I am just really confused at how this was supposed to help Gold teams
> > especially here in California.  And if I have my information correct.

> > Also, did anyone get an 18 Gold and 18 Under team list?? There was not one in
> > my package.
> > Are more teams moving to A since there seems to be more opportunities and A and
> > Gold are  different weeks???
> > Thanks for info.
> > Pris

 
 
 

18 Gold Info-ASA Meeting ???

Post by Andy Anderso » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:18:22

suppose they gave a qualifier and no one came?
Quote:

> I understand that there was some consensus that coaches would write letters to
> protest the Las Vegas/2 berths, Sacramento 4 berths decision.
> 1.  Who is it that has the power to change this decision?
> 2.  are letters going to change anything?
> 3.  will the letters be written?
> Sharon


> > I know one thing, Steve Monson was supposed to go to bat for us and get
> > the qualifers local. I hardly see Sacremento or Vegas as local and
> > everyone knows Lancaster is run over 4 days and requires over night
> > stays. I have no clue why they would split the 6 berths between
> > Sacremento and Vegas except for money and because they know teams will
> > travel. It is inane to schedule back to back qualifers in Sacremento
> > during finals week for most Socal Schools and during graduation week in
> > Vages. Teams going to Sacremento may have to fly or spend a school night
> > on a long drive. Teams that go to Seattle and qualify and have gone to
> > Colorado will have 3 plane flights minimum.


> > > Ok Sorry I got to the ASA meeting late and just want to clarify what I noted.
> > > Last year we had 31 or 32 teams go from California to Gold Nationals.
> > > They did away with the gold point system which clearly helped some California
> > > teams go to Nationals (Which a lot of the confusion regarding gold points could
> > > have been fixed fairly easily by giving teams a number and going by that
> > > instead of name, but whatever)
> > > One of the reasons given was it would save money.
> > > Last year we played in Phoenix (Drivable), Las Vegas (Drivable),
> > > Lancaster(Drivable), Rancho Cucamonga (Drivable) and we flew into Colorado to
> > > play in a tournament there.

> > > This year we have 16 berths for all of California and Oregon, Washington
> > > We have Sacramento-4 Berths
> > > We have Las Vegas-2 Berths
> > > We have Lancaster-5 berths
> > > We have Seattle, Washington-5 berths  This is the one on July 13th-14 (Right?)
> > > One of things we requested was that all this was concluded early not 3 weeks
> > > before Nationals.
> > > May have to fly out of state
> > > So we now may have 2 out of state flights instead of one.  So, for most teams
> > > this will be MORE expensive and we have half as many berths.  Is this correct??
> > > Or am I missing something here.

> > > We can go into Sectors that do not have 24 teams as of May something But we
> > > have no idea how those spots will be awarded, when the entries are to be sent,
> > > and Phoenix is capping their tournament to 24 teams.  So, these will all be
> > > last minute flights at much higher prices than when we could plan ahead.

> > > I guess I am just really confused at how this was supposed to help Gold teams
> > > especially here in California.  And if I have my information correct.

> > > Also, did anyone get an 18 Gold and 18 Under team list?? There was not one in
> > > my package.
> > > Are more teams moving to A since there seems to be more opportunities and A and
> > > Gold are  different weeks???
> > > Thanks for info.
> > > Pris

 
 
 

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Post by Rebels1 » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:34:38

Letters need to be sent to Steve Monson directly via e-mail.  He will then
forward them to the powers that be.  There is a meeting in March that may be
moved forward to Feb. if the voices are loud enough.  

Maybe if we send some intelligent reasoning e-mails, someone will heed the
complaints.  Not holding my breath but it is worth a try.


As a team, the costs of tournaments, the practice of having to pay ahead for
many tournaments, the costs of flights and hotels, time off work, etc.  is
driving costs sky high.  You add in the costs of lessons and fielding practices
and Man...  It adds up to big bucks...

Once again, Isn't there a few organizations that have been around for a while,
who could get together and bid for a local tournament..Maybe ASA needs to back
down on taking all the entry fee monies
so that there is some chance of making a little money for the teams.  I just
can't believe that Irvine and the Woodbridge area does not have enough quality
fields to have a qualifier.  Have teams sign up to do fields or snack bar one
day..I don't know..It seems like we could save a lot of money by having a local
tournament...

How many Gold teams are there in the Seattle area?? vs in So Cal.  How many
teams will have to spend 5,000 bucks apiece to go??  To just that one 2 day
tournament....

 
 
 

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Post by Scot » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:54:38

I agree with the Rebels post.  If most of the 18 Gold teams are in
SoCal then why do we have to travel to Seattle, Sacramento, and Las
Vegas.  I am new in the 18's so not totally in the know about what is
going on.  Is it about ASA making money or do the California teams
just not want to host and these far away areas just have the desire?
We are from San Diego and I am sure we could host down here.  We have
many quality fields.  I will be writing Steve Monson for sure.  We are
not sponsored and don't have a huge budget.  I have some girls who
have trouble paying to play due to financial difficulties.  It sure
would be hard to spend $5,000 a trip to qualify for our team.  Would
love to see some, that means more than one, qualifiers in SoCal.
Quote:

> Letters need to be sent to Steve Monson directly via e-mail.  He will then
> forward them to the powers that be.  There is a meeting in March that may be
> moved forward to Feb. if the voices are loud enough.  

> Maybe if we send some intelligent reasoning e-mails, someone will heed the
> complaints.  Not holding my breath but it is worth a try.


> As a team, the costs of tournaments, the practice of having to pay ahead for
> many tournaments, the costs of flights and hotels, time off work, etc.  is
> driving costs sky high.  You add in the costs of lessons and fielding practices
> and Man...  It adds up to big bucks...

> Once again, Isn't there a few organizations that have been around for a while,
> who could get together and bid for a local tournament..Maybe ASA needs to back
> down on taking all the entry fee monies
> so that there is some chance of making a little money for the teams.  I just
> can't believe that Irvine and the Woodbridge area does not have enough quality
> fields to have a qualifier.  Have teams sign up to do fields or snack bar one
> day..I don't know..It seems like we could save a lot of money by having a local
> tournament...

> How many Gold teams are there in the Seattle area?? vs in So Cal.  How many
> teams will have to spend 5,000 bucks apiece to go??  To just that one 2 day
> tournament....

 
 
 

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Post by STING40 » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:12:07

They won't pay for the fields and they won't give up their entry fee.  Why not
for once reverse the policy where they do the snack bar and the age group teams
teams get the the entry fee and I think field procurement and city and local
municipalities would be more than happy to to sponsor such events.  Or better
yet, earmark part of the insurance slush or registration fee for SoCal ASA for
just such important events.  I think once the mother organization antes up, the
cities will and the local businesses will help too.  In Irvine, I know they
would!  If Gary Haning and his organization can and did pay for quality fields
why can't Socal ASA do it for our local teams when the hardships is so great!

Blair

 
 
 

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Post by D » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:29:18

Andy:

You obviously know more about this whole subject than Monson and
obviously would go to bat for all of us in So Cal....  any change you
might be willing to run for a Commissioner's position...  At least we
could be assured we would be represented.  Your point about finals and
graduations is a serious one...  why didn't someone else at top of ASA
think of it???

Quote:

> suppose they gave a qualifier and no one came?


> > I understand that there was some consensus that coaches would write letters to
> > protest the Las Vegas/2 berths, Sacramento 4 berths decision.
> > 1.  Who is it that has the power to change this decision?
> > 2.  are letters going to change anything?
> > 3.  will the letters be written?
> > Sharon


> > > I know one thing, Steve Monson was supposed to go to bat for us and get
> > > the qualifers local. I hardly see Sacremento or Vegas as local and
> > > everyone knows Lancaster is run over 4 days and requires over night
> > > stays. I have no clue why they would split the 6 berths between
> > > Sacremento and Vegas except for money and because they know teams will
> > > travel. It is inane to schedule back to back qualifers in Sacremento
> > > during finals week for most Socal Schools and during graduation week in
> > > Vages. Teams going to Sacremento may have to fly or spend a school night
> > > on a long drive. Teams that go to Seattle and qualify and have gone to
> > > Colorado will have 3 plane flights minimum.


> > > > Ok Sorry I got to the ASA meeting late and just want to clarify what I noted.
> > > > Last year we had 31 or 32 teams go from California to Gold Nationals.
> > > > They did away with the gold point system which clearly helped some California
> > > > teams go to Nationals (Which a lot of the confusion regarding gold points could
> > > > have been fixed fairly easily by giving teams a number and going by that
> > > > instead of name, but whatever)
> > > > One of the reasons given was it would save money.
> > > > Last year we played in Phoenix (Drivable), Las Vegas (Drivable),
> > > > Lancaster(Drivable), Rancho Cucamonga (Drivable) and we flew into Colorado to
> > > > play in a tournament there.

> > > > This year we have 16 berths for all of California and Oregon, Washington
> > > > We have Sacramento-4 Berths
> > > > We have Las Vegas-2 Berths
> > > > We have Lancaster-5 berths
> > > > We have Seattle, Washington-5 berths  This is the one on July 13th-14 (Right?)
> > > > One of things we requested was that all this was concluded early not 3 weeks
> > > > before Nationals.
> > > > May have to fly out of state
> > > > So we now may have 2 out of state flights instead of one.  So, for most teams
> > > > this will be MORE expensive and we have half as many berths.  Is this correct??
> > > > Or am I missing something here.

> > > > We can go into Sectors that do not have 24 teams as of May something But we
> > > > have no idea how those spots will be awarded, when the entries are to be sent,
> > > > and Phoenix is capping their tournament to 24 teams.  So, these will all be
> > > > last minute flights at much higher prices than when we could plan ahead.

> > > > I guess I am just really confused at how this was supposed to help Gold teams
> > > > especially here in California.  And if I have my information correct.

> > > > Also, did anyone get an 18 Gold and 18 Under team list?? There was not one in
> > > > my package.
> > > > Are more teams moving to A since there seems to be more opportunities and A and
> > > > Gold are  different weeks???
> > > > Thanks for info.
> > > > Pris

 
 
 

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Post by Andy Anderso » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:55:12

Thanks , but I do not pretend to know more then Steve, I am reporting on what I thought I
heard and understood at the managers meeting way back in the Fall and now that we see what
is official I am concerned about the affect on school and the amount of money my parents
will need to spend. I also think maybe parents should be the ones screaming the most at ASA
so their voices can be heard.
Quote:

> Andy:

> You obviously know more about this whole subject than Monson and
> obviously would go to bat for all of us in So Cal....  any change you
> might be willing to run for a Commissioner's position...  At least we
> could be assured we would be represented.  Your point about finals and
> graduations is a serious one...  why didn't someone else at top of ASA
> think of it???


> > suppose they gave a qualifier and no one came?


> > > I understand that there was some consensus that coaches would write letters to
> > > protest the Las Vegas/2 berths, Sacramento 4 berths decision.
> > > 1.  Who is it that has the power to change this decision?
> > > 2.  are letters going to change anything?
> > > 3.  will the letters be written?
> > > Sharon


> > > > I know one thing, Steve Monson was supposed to go to bat for us and get
> > > > the qualifers local. I hardly see Sacremento or Vegas as local and
> > > > everyone knows Lancaster is run over 4 days and requires over night
> > > > stays. I have no clue why they would split the 6 berths between
> > > > Sacremento and Vegas except for money and because they know teams will
> > > > travel. It is inane to schedule back to back qualifers in Sacremento
> > > > during finals week for most Socal Schools and during graduation week in
> > > > Vages. Teams going to Sacremento may have to fly or spend a school night
> > > > on a long drive. Teams that go to Seattle and qualify and have gone to
> > > > Colorado will have 3 plane flights minimum.


> > > > > Ok Sorry I got to the ASA meeting late and just want to clarify what I noted.
> > > > > Last year we had 31 or 32 teams go from California to Gold Nationals.
> > > > > They did away with the gold point system which clearly helped some California
> > > > > teams go to Nationals (Which a lot of the confusion regarding gold points could
> > > > > have been fixed fairly easily by giving teams a number and going by that
> > > > > instead of name, but whatever)
> > > > > One of the reasons given was it would save money.
> > > > > Last year we played in Phoenix (Drivable), Las Vegas (Drivable),
> > > > > Lancaster(Drivable), Rancho Cucamonga (Drivable) and we flew into Colorado to
> > > > > play in a tournament there.

> > > > > This year we have 16 berths for all of California and Oregon, Washington
> > > > > We have Sacramento-4 Berths
> > > > > We have Las Vegas-2 Berths
> > > > > We have Lancaster-5 berths
> > > > > We have Seattle, Washington-5 berths  This is the one on July 13th-14 (Right?)
> > > > > One of things we requested was that all this was concluded early not 3 weeks
> > > > > before Nationals.
> > > > > May have to fly out of state
> > > > > So we now may have 2 out of state flights instead of one.  So, for most teams
> > > > > this will be MORE expensive and we have half as many berths.  Is this correct??
> > > > > Or am I missing something here.

> > > > > We can go into Sectors that do not have 24 teams as of May something But we
> > > > > have no idea how those spots will be awarded, when the entries are to be sent,
> > > > > and Phoenix is capping their tournament to 24 teams.  So, these will all be
> > > > > last minute flights at much higher prices than when we could plan ahead.

> > > > > I guess I am just really confused at how this was supposed to help Gold teams
> > > > > especially here in California.  And if I have my information correct.

> > > > > Also, did anyone get an 18 Gold and 18 Under team list?? There was not one in
> > > > > my package.
> > > > > Are more teams moving to A since there seems to be more opportunities and A and
> > > > > Gold are  different weeks???
> > > > > Thanks for info.
> > > > > Pris

 
 
 

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Post by fuj » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:05:33

Quote:

> suppose they gave a qualifier and no one came?

Can we get that in writing? :)

It may not be quite the same, but it seems like apples and oranges to
me. We have been in 18's for three years now. Re: the Sacramento
berths, we make the L.A./Lancaster trip at least two or three times a
year, have since we were 16U, and it doesn't get any easier or cheaper
for us.
Fuji in Sac