Corrupted girls/womens softball and this list

Corrupted girls/womens softball and this list

Post by Vince Den » Sun, 07 Jan 1996 04:00:00


Please consider this list of people and their possible association
with an attempt to destroy ASA girls fastpitch as we know it.

Mitzi Swentzell
Karen Appelbaum
Pat Lillian
Irene Shea
Star Orullian
Karen Sykes
Ronnie Isham
Donna Lopiano
Kathy Veroni
Sue Rankin (deceased...)
Jacquie Joseph
Rayla Allison
Margie Wright
Sharron Backus
Sue Enquist
Jay Miller
Terry Fulmer

there are others

Vince
http://www.earthlink.net/~goatropers/softball.html

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Kins » Sun, 07 Jan 1996 04:00:00

===================================================================
vince - rta
      - can you elaborate on this ?????????
----sk
===================================================================

Quote:

> Please consider this list of people and their possible association
> with an attempt to destroy ASA girls fastpitch as we know it.

> Mitzi Swentzell
> Karen Appelbaum
> Pat Lillian
> Irene Shea
> Star Orullian
> Karen Sykes
> Ronnie Isham
> Donna Lopiano
> Kathy Veroni
> Sue Rankin (deceased...)
> Jacquie Joseph
> Rayla Allison
> Margie Wright
> Sharron Backus
> Sue Enquist
> Jay Miller
> Terry Fulmer

> there are others

> Vince
> http://www.earthlink.net/~goatropers/softball.html


 
 
 

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Post by CHARLES MOOR » Sun, 07 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Vince,

An interesting list of people. Includes several well-know college coaches.
Can you elaborate on your statement?

: Please consider this list of people and their possible association
: with an attempt to destroy ASA girls fastpitch as we know it.

: Mitzi Swentzell
: Karen Appelbaum
: Pat Lillian
: Irene Shea
: Star Orullian
: Karen Sykes
: Ronnie Isham
: Donna Lopiano
: Kathy Veroni
: Sue Rankin (deceased...)
: Jacquie Joseph
: Rayla Allison
: Margie Wright
: Sharron Backus
: Sue Enquist
: Jay Miller
: Terry Fulmer

: there are others

: Vince
: http://www.earthlink.net/~goatropers/softball.html

--

 
 
 

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Post by Jay Mille » Tue, 09 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Vince, I sure would like to know what this is in reference to????
 
 
 

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Post by Jay Mille » Tue, 09 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Vince, I sure would like to know what this is in reference to???
 
 
 

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Post by Gary Hanin » Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Please consider this list of people and their possible association
>with an attempt to destroy ASA girls fastpitch as we know it.

>Mitzi Swentzell
>Karen Appelbaum
>Pat Lillian
>Irene Shea
>Star Orullian
>Karen Sykes
>Ronnie Isham
>Donna Lopiano
>Kathy Veroni
>Sue Rankin (deceased...)
>Jacquie Joseph
>Rayla Allison
>Margie Wright
>Sharron Backus
>Sue Enquist
>Jay Miller
>Terry Fulmer

>there are others

>Vince
>http://SportToday.org/~goatropers/softball.html

Vince,

Please tell us what the HELL you are talking about. Oblique references to dark forces somehow threatening seem pointless.

Lets See...

First time in Olympics- good chance to win
Good chance of scholarship limit going to 12
SEC and other big time schools starting fully funded programs
Florida and other slowpitch strongholds starting high school fastpitch
More youth teams and leagues all of the time
Many recent graduate STRAIGHT players getting asst. coach jobs
Championship games on national TV

I understand that there are also some problems, but softball seems far from destruction to me.
As to your constant reference to the "*** PROBLEM!!!". I have been around this sport for
some 20 years. In that time I can count on one hand the times I've heard of a college coach
making any advances toward a student-athlete. Whatever their lifestyle, the large majority of
these people are completely professional.

I too have some disagreements with the players chosen for the Olympic Team. I disagreed with some
of the players chosen for the Jr. World Team. I do not however doubt for one moment in either case
that they chose the players they felt best suited ALL of the criteria. We will never know everything
had to consider.

Margie did nothing illegal at the Jr.World, as you stated in an earlier AOL post. Whether it was right
or not, she was given permission to coach that team, she did not play favorites to entice those kids
to come to Fresno. The players who played when it counted, deserved to play. I WAS THERE!

Gary Haning
18U Gold Orange County Batbusters
Asst. Coach 1995 Jr. World Team

 
 
 

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Post by Al Dor » Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Please consider this list of people and their possible association
>with an attempt to destroy ASA girls fastpitch as we know it.

list cut out to shorten the note ( I would not dare touch your list
Vince!)

Quote:
>Vince
>http://www.earthlink.net/~goatropers/softball.html

Don't keep us in suspense Vince, it took is uall summer one time to
wait to see who really shot JR and at the end of it, it was not worth
the wait.   Besides, this news provider is taking up to four days to
get articles.

"Let's Play Two"
Al Doran

 
 
 

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Post by Denise Li » Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:00:00

I know that the ASA has been a pain in the ass..for a long time...I was
playing
fastpitch softball before alot of you was shitting yellow.

Unless ASA has changed..which I dont think it has....they are and have
been a bunch of old men...thinking they have something...that no one else
has...

They have did nothing to promote mens fastpitch since the early 80's....
as soon as slowpitch hit town....they jumped on the bandwagon....what
have they done as far as Industrial,Church and Boys softball...you can
count on one hand.

Ever try to communicate with some of these say call local commissioners...
christ..they think they are him...for Christ sakes.

They jumped on girls fastpitch..like they did men's slowpitch....whatever
is hot...they put forth the effort...if you what to call it that.....

what about womens slowpitch,over 18 girls fastpitch...never or hardly
ever see a league or tournament(in Illinois) ..I cant speak for the rest
of the country...except for Calif...I would guess..it is all the same....

I know understand this hit list....or understand this guys love of the
ASA

he puts out a hit list...and doesnt back it up....whats that...!!

I know no one ..on this list..know some names...but  that is it...but I
do know some ASA officials.....and I stand by the above..

Linn

 
 
 

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Post by Ken Mille » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00

   I'm royally confused about what these "corrupted" postings
are actually about.  Can anyone enlighten me?   I'm an ex-
baseball and fastpitch softball player who happened to father only
girls and was drawn into the local girls' league, which is fastpitch.
After 6 years of coaching town league teams, I helped to affiliate
my town's youth leagues with ASA.  ASA sanctions a series of regional
tournaments and state championships during the summer, which
have given our all-stars great competition.  ASA rules and umpires
are also used by all of the regional HS leagues, all of which
(in Massachusetts) are fastpitch.  The girls' sport seems to be
growing like crazy in my neck of the woods.  
   Does someone in another part of the country sense an ASA-
directed *** to downplay the girls' game?
    I'm a newcomer to this list, and perhaps you think I should be
aware of something that I'm not.  But I'd have a much easier time
following the discussion if someone could explain exactly what this
"corruption" might be, or exactly who would like to see the girls
taken off the basepaths.  Thanks!

            Ken Miller   Rehoboth, Massachusetts

 
 
 

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Post by William J. Dav » Thu, 11 Jan 1996 04:00:00

I thought I might be the only one that felt that way about the A.S.A.
local commissioners, glad I'am not alone.   Knowing Vince, who posted that
initial message, I'am sure he will be back to you with answers as soon as he
can.  He spends a lot of time with his girls 18&under fast pitch team (san
Diego Power) and is probably out of town.   Vince goes extremely mad if
he thinks someone or some group is putting down, destroying girls softball
especially - fast pitch.    To many people out there believe thr that the
girls belong at home, not on a softball field, or taking away scholarships
from boys and this thinking extents into the colleges.
Vince and I have own ideas about girls and softball.   Basically, that
GIRLS BELONG AT HOME, also at first, secomd, third, in the coaching boxes,
managing and in the outfield and umpiring.  Vince seems to be well liked and respected
respected on this subject, even before this group (rec.sport.softball)
when we were a small part of rec.sport.misc. and vince pushed hard for this
softball group.   I don't agree with everything he says, but I believe he
is trying to warn the softball players and fans about another attempt to
put the females at home and off the fields.

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Mc » Sat, 13 Jan 1996 04:00:00

HIT LIST:
You will find out soon enough.
Help coming from across the country.

Vince

Quote:

>===================================================================
>vince - rta
>      - can you elaborate on this ?????????
>----sk
>===================================================================


>> Please consider this list of people and their possible association
>> with an attempt to destroy ASA girls fastpitch as we know it.

>> Mitzi Swentzell
>> Karen Appelbaum
>> Pat Lillian
>> Irene Shea
>> Star Orullian
>> Karen Sykes
>> Ronnie Isham
>> Donna Lopiano
>> Kathy Veroni
>> Sue Rankin (deceased...)
>> Jacquie Joseph
>> Rayla Allison
>> Margie Wright
>> Sharron Backus
>> Sue Enquist
>> Jay Miller
>> Terry Fulmer

>> there are others

>> Vince
>> http://www.earthlink.net/~goatropers/softball.html

 
 
 

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Post by Vince Den » Tue, 16 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Don't keep us in suspense Vince, it took is uall summer one time to
>wait to see who really shot JR and at the end of it, it was not worth
>the wait.   Besides, this news provider is taking up to four days to
>get articles.

>"Let's Play Two"
>Al Doran

I obtained almost that entire list from an issue of FastPitch World
that went on for pages and pages about how ASA is unconstitutional and
other accusations. What made me really upset was a three-part hit
piece on Prime Sports Network a month ago about how corrupt ASA is.
I'm going to reverse the tables on these jerks. I have a couple
friends helping me with background on these anti-ASA people. You'll
find the common ground with these people will be Rayla Allison (WPF)
and Bill Redmer, publisher of FP World, with Donna Lopiano,
pro-*** activist from the Women's Sports Foundation. These people
want the power and the money that goes along with being the NGB of
fastpitch softball. I do not want them in charge for a variety of
reasons that I will state, among them will be the group's heavy NSCA
(NCAA women's) influence. What would men's fastpitch think about that?
Also, having small, lesser known, poorly run organizations represented
and ASA out in the cold. ASA is the biggest and the best, despite what
problems it may have.

When the Olympics is over, I believe these people are going to take
another shot at NGB status. Watch the fight over control of fastpitch.
It could be ugly.

When my research is done, there will be no more suspense. I want to
show that these people have no interest in the betterment of anything
but their pocketbooks and egos.

Vince

 
 
 

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Post by Jeff LaCo » Thu, 18 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>I obtained almost that entire list from an issue of FastPitch World
>that went on for pages and pages about how ASA is unconstitutional and
>other accusations. What made me really upset was a three-part hit
>piece on Prime Sports Network a month ago about how corrupt ASA is.

 How was the information presented? There are a LOT of people out her
(myself included) who have no idea what you're talking about. I've
heard there was a major expose of ASA a few months back, but I've
never seen the particulars.

 How would ASA be unconstitutional? Did they mean ASA has a monopoly
on running softball? ASA may be in a dominating position, but there
are other organizations out there.

 This and the WWW are excellent forums for displaying the results of
investigations. If the results come out in favor of ASA and the status
quo, great. If they come out indicting ASA management for something,
that's OK too. Let's have the truth out for everyone to see.

Quote:
>I'm going to reverse the tables on these jerks. I have a couple
>friends helping me with background on these anti-ASA people. You'll
>find the common ground with these people will be Rayla Allison (WPF)
>and Bill Redmer, publisher of FP World, with Donna Lopiano,
>pro-*** activist from the Women's Sports Foundation.

 ^^^^^^^^^^^
 Going a little far to slant your pitch aren't you? True or not, this
kind of ***doesn't belong in a posting where you're trying to
convince people you're unbiased and open-minded. You should discuss
your postition with ASA - I gather you're a coach of one of the major
teams - and what kind of stake you have in the organization.

 When people are fully informed about your background and what you may
or may not have to lose by diminishing ASA's power, they will be
better able to evaluate your postings.

Quote:
> These people
>want the power and the money that goes along with being the NGB of
>fastpitch softball. I do not want them in charge for a variety of
>reasons that I will state, among them will be the group's heavy NSCA
>(NCAA women's) influence.

 What is wrong with NCAA influence? For that matter, what is wrong
with input from all the softball organizations? Or with attempting to
create a single unified body for rules development? I mean, aren't
there like 6 or 7 rule books floating around?

Quote:
> What would men's fastpitch think about that?

 They probably wouldn't like being "dominated" by women's fastpitch.

Quote:
>Also, having small, lesser known, poorly run organizations represented
>and ASA out in the cold. ASA is the biggest and the best, despite what
>problems it may have.

 Big is not necessarily good. Small is not necessarily poorly run.
Organizations are healthy only as long as there are open honest forums
for people with new ideas.

 "Best" is not an appelation I would lay on an organization that
grants sanction to some of the sleaze-weasels I've seen in SoCal to
continue to coach young people.

Quote:
>When the Olympics is over, I believe these people are going to take
>another shot at NGB status. Watch the fight over control of fastpitch.
>It could be ugly.

 Every time a sport moves into the Olympics, things get ugly. Too much
money. Too much politics. Too much pressure.

Quote:
>When my research is done, there will be no more suspense. I want to
>show that these people have no interest in the betterment of anything
>but their pocketbooks and egos.

 If you can prove that, great.

        Jeff