18U Gold Nationals

18U Gold Nationals

Post by c.. » Sun, 10 Aug 1997 04:00:00


I'm with the rest of you - surely someone in Oklahoma City can give us some
scores.  The info doesn't have to be in great form, just understandable.

 
 
 

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Post by c.. » Mon, 11 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Just talked to a parent from the Tempe Hotshots (they're home) who were
eliminated Sat. (2-2 in tournament).  She said they were playing games at 1:30am
trying to make up for the rainout time.  This is the way to get good performance
out of players.  I've been involved in tournaments where this has happened - it
shows poor planning, is really *** the players, and the teams at the end are
many times those who lucked out on the times.  In fact you can just forget the
loser bracket, they don't have a chance.

It's time ASA recognized fastpitch softball is different than slow pitch and
format their tournaments accordingly.  If national ASA personnel can't run
fastpitch tournaments, they should get some advice from those folks who can and
do.

Further, I thought ASA was going to post the scores - they didn't do that right
either.  Should have known.

Last of all, I am not anti-ASA. I have always been with ASA teams and have
supported ASA in the past.  However, I must admit AFA has a point.

 
 
 

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Post by TGraves6 » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00

how do you think the tourny should be formatted. should the playthe games
in a dome????  i realize they should have more fields ready when it does
rain but i have been involved in them when there were plenty of field
ready but the rain never lets up. it is the nature of the beast of double
elim tournys. by the way. the asa should run the tourny instead of leaving
it up to the local organizations.  this would allow for more
consistancy.......

 
 
 

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Post by Hiller » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>how do you think the tourny should be formatted. should the playthe games
>in a dome????  i realize they should have more fields ready when it does
>rain but i have been involved in them when there were plenty of field
>ready but the rain never lets up. it is the nature of the beast of double
>elim tournys. by the way. the asa should run the tourny instead of
leaving
>it up to the local organizations.  this would allow for more
>consistancy.......

Gold Nationals 1995, Garland, TX, that typical Midwest summer storm stuff
there, too. To solve the problem they imposed a time limit on games, which
was absolutely pathetic. I'd rather play the middle of the night than
shorten games to 5 or 6 innings. So what if you miss last call at the
local pub.

Vince

 
 
 

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Post by terry coo » Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



> >how do you think the tourny should be formatted. should the playthe games
> >in a dome????  i realize they should have more fields ready when it does
> >rain but i have been involved in them when there were plenty of field
> >ready but the rain never lets up. it is the nature of the beast of double
> >elim tournys. by the way. the asa should run the tourny instead of
> leaving
> >it up to the local organizations.  this would allow for more
> >consistancy.......

> Gold Nationals 1995, Garland, TX, that typical Midwest summer storm stuff
> there, too. To solve the problem they imposed a time limit on games, which
> was absolutely pathetic. I'd rather play the middle of the night than
> shorten games to 5 or 6 innings. So what if you miss last call at the
> local pub.

> Vince

I think just last month in Austin, TX they played a National Qualifier
and because of the heat they played the games at night and into the
early morning. There was an 18U tournament in Grand Prairie, TX in June
that due to rain and field conditions, we played all night long. The
tournament was supposed to start Fri. night and didn't get going until
Sat. afternoon, they didn't stop until the was one team left.

Terry

 
 
 

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Post by JGaw5946 » Sat, 16 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Any National Tournament or National Qualifier must end on Sunday evening.
Most teams have return trip plans that include leaving on Monday. Would you
want to continue a tournament for an additional day or two?  Who would be
in town to play?
I don't think there was a team in Oklahoma that wanted to play 1 hour 20
minute game times, but I don't think there was any other option. We played
in the rain on Wednesday. It was raining so hard the pitchers could not
hold onto the ball.
The only pitch they could grip and throw was the fastball. They finally
called the games behind us due to the rain. They made up all the pool games
on Thurday at the stadium fields before starting the double elimination on
Friday. The first 82 games of double elimination were played with the 1
hour 20 minute game times.      
They reverted back to the standard playing rules starting with game #83.
Remember you only have a certain amount of umpires and playing fields. What
would you have done differently to get the tournament completed?

John Gaw
18 & Under Calif. Pirettes

 
 
 

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Post by CA Sto » Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:00:00

They did nothing to work on the fields Friday, so while we played the
maximum time limit on a few meaningless pool games, the 4 field complex
sat totally idle all day, with no attempt at getting it ready to play.

What they should have done was shorten the pool play to 2 games per pool,
just as they played in 18A in Tulsa.

 
 
 

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Post by JSpahr59 » Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Maybe thats the problem, most national tournaments are run by the ASA
representative.  They should check into the tract record of organizations
in rain areas before awarding these nationals.

 
 
 

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Post by JGaw5946 » Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>They did nothing to work on the fields Friday, so while we played the
>maximum time limit on a few meaningless pool games, the 4 field complex
>sat totally idle all day, with no attempt at getting it ready to play.

>What they should have done was shorten the pool play to 2 games per pool,
>just as they played in 18A in Tulsa.

ASA made the commitment to a 5 game minimum at the Gold Nationals. Maybe
some of the pool games were meaningless to some, but the 13 teams that went
home in two, got their 5 games. This year there was 85+ Gold Teams around
the country. We had 57 teams at the Gold Nationals. This sure beats the
showing last year at Stockton where 20 to 21 of the 36 teams were from
California. I don't know if the 5 game minimum contributed to this growth
but I have to believe it helped bring teams from the rest of the country to
Oklahoma. I thought this years tournament felt more like a National
Championship than last years. Communications would have to be the key on
using or not using the other fields. I don't think anyone knew how long it
would take for them to dry out enough for games. Rather than putting all
teams on a 2 hour play notice and sticking everyone in their hotel rooms
next to the phone, ASA put up a schedule that allowed the tournament to be
completed with a minimum of hassles.

John Gaw