ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by VIP » Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:00:00


Should the Travelball Team Managers and Coaches be ASA Certified?

Another subject to be discussed by passionate FP Softball players, coaches and
parents.

VIP

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by DGrup » Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:00:00

VIP writes;

Quote:
>Should the Travelball Team Managers and Coaches be ASA Certified?

No, just you.

Later
Dave
DGruper
PS- Coaches and Managers are already certfiable.

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by Hiller » Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Should the Travelball Team Managers and Coaches be ASA Certified?

>Another subject to be discussed by passionate FP Softball players, coaches
>and
>parents.

>VIP

They should be certified by parents and players.

Did you hear the case up in NorCal (I think) about a girls soccer coach
who was convicted of "fondling" two players? He's still a coach at another
high school, and the HS administration contends, correctly, that they can
"do nothing about it."

I heard this on the radio. The commentator on KFMB (available on RA on
www.760kfmb.com) made the statement that the guy can't coach if he has no
players.

So again I say, they should be certified by parents and players and not by
some politically correct, mostly wrong organization. It is none of ASA's
business who coaches and who doesn't. The radio announcer is right, you
can't coach if you have no players.

Vince

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by Fool Me Once.. » Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:00:00

In Mr. Kumar's case, the only returning player is his daughter, although all but
4 were eligible to play 14U in '98.  I'd say the parents and players definitely
determined Vipin's certification eligibility.  Unfortunately, I must remain
anonymous because of this individual's vindictive nature to, not only the
parents, but his past players.


Quote:


>>Should the Travelball Team Managers and Coaches be ASA Certified?

>>Another subject to be discussed by passionate FP Softball players, coaches
>>and
>>parents.

>>VIP

>They should be certified by parents and players.

>Did you hear the case up in NorCal (I think) about a girls soccer coach
>who was convicted of "fondling" two players? He's still a coach at another
>high school, and the HS administration contends, correctly, that they can
>"do nothing about it."

>I heard this on the radio. The commentator on KFMB (available on RA on
>www.760kfmb.com) made the statement that the guy can't coach if he has no
>players.

>So again I say, they should be certified by parents and players and not by
>some politically correct, mostly wrong organization. It is none of ASA's
>business who coaches and who doesn't. The radio announcer is right, you
>can't coach if you have no players.

>Vince

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by Glenn p » Sun, 28 Sep 1997 04:00:00

VIP
1) IF ANY ORGANIZATION CERTIFIES A COACH/MANGER IT WILL LEAD TO A FALSE
SENSE OF SECURITY FOR THE PLAYER AND HER PARENTS. ALL ORGANIZATIONS, LIKE
THE ASA, ARE VOLUNTER RUN AND THESE VOLS HAVE VARIOUS LEVELS OF ABILITY. A
COACH CERTIFIED BY A LESS HARD WORKING VOL MAY WELL HAVE A BACKGROUND THAT
A HARD WORKING VOL MAY HAVE DISCOVERED.
2)THERE ARE ALREADY COACHS KNOWN TO BE PROBLEMS TO GIRLS, PARENTS AND
OFFICIALS THAT REMAIN REGISTERED WITH SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS BUT NOTHING IS
DONE ABOUT THEM. SO WHY SHOULD WE EXPECT A BETTER RESULT THROUGH SOME NEW
PROGRAM WHEN THE OLD ONE DOSEN'T WORK EXCEPT IN THE WORST OF ALL CASES?
3)WITH THE LEGAL WORLD THE WAY IT IS TODAY,ANY COACH REFUSED A CERTIFICATE
WILL SUE. KNOWING THIS THE ORGANIZATION CONSIDERING THE COACH WILL APPROVE
ALL BUT THE BLANT CRIMINAL.
4)GOING THROUGH A CERTIFICATION PROVIDES A CHANCE FOR CRONYS TO BUILD UP
REASONS WHY THEY SHOULD STICK TOGEATHER AND WILL MAKE A NEW COMER FELL THAT
HE OWES SOMEONE A FAVOR IF HES ACCEPTED.
5)ITS THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO BE SURE THEIR KID IS SAFE AND HAVING A
FUN TIME. SOFTBALL IS NOT A BABYSITTING DEVICE.

IGUESS I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA!
GLENN

 
 
 

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Post by Rex Rode » Wed, 01 Oct 1997 04:00:00

 I think we're overlooking one thing as far as certification goes. If an
undesireable person knows that his background is going to be checked he
certainly would not apply for the job. I feel that certification will
hopefully prevent  predators from coaching our girls.

Rex Roden
Hot Styx 18u
http://www.hotstyx.org/

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by Hiller » Thu, 02 Oct 1997 04:00:00

OK well having been a board member of a travel organization here is my $0.02:

Quote:

>1)Police Record-check

Been there, done that. It is cheap and it is worth it. Fork over your SSN.
If you don't want to give out your SSN, you can't coach. However, don't you
think "word of mouth" is more valuable when choosing a coach? Why get the
government involved? If you don't know someone, don't play for them. BE A
SMART SHOPPER.

I did hand over my SSN to San Diego Power for a background check and I was
voted in as President of the organization a couple months later, which I
declined because it is too expensive for me to run an organization when I
live many hours' drive away from the nearest game.

2)Financial/Credit Check

Probably another good idea, but again you have to fork over your SSN. So
here goes another violation of your privacy. So maybe you went BK in 1990?
What does that have to do in 1998? Suppose you missed paying a bill once?
Does that DQ you from coaching? Do you believe that if you ask for
someone's record based on their SSN, whoever you gave the SSN to doesn't
make record of that as possibly someone the IRS or who ever can spy on?
What if there's a mistake on the credit report? Then you open yourself up
for a lawsuit based on a bogus report.

Quote:
>3)Basic First Aid/CPR course

Another good idea, however, if someone is in distress and you do
everything the CPR and First Aid course says, you're gonna get sued anyway
regardless, if you don't come through and save the distressed person's life.

4) FP Softball knowledge and experience

What a can of worms that is. Who defines "knowledge" and "experience?"
ASA? Bobby Sox? Who? VIP can you pass this part of your own definition?

Bottom line: SMART SHOPPING. Know who you're dealing with. And that goes
both ways. Coaches need to know what kind of kid they're inviting, and
parents and kids need to know what kind of person they're playing for.

(Same goes in college recruiting)

You cannot define this with "certification" from a governing body. If you
think this is the way to go, you are a socialist or communist.

BE A SMART SHOPPER. Which means track record, and only that.

Vince

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by q.. » Sun, 05 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> >Should the Travelball Team Managers and Coaches be ASA Certified?

> My opinion; YES

> ASA, AFA or NSA all the organizations have basic same intent-allow kids to play
> in an organized softball competition which has certain rules/conduct.
> ASA is better organized at least on west coast. It sets basic code of conduct
> for players, coaches and umpires.
> If the umpires are not trained and certified regarding the playing rules, how
> can he/she can enforce it. I think the managers and coaches should also meet
> some basic minimum requirements to be able to coach and manage a travelball
> team.  There are always two sides of an issue.

> ASA being the governing body for selection of USA Softball Olympic team should
> conduct basic certification for a manager/coach and may perform following before
> granting a permit to form a travel team.

> 1)Police Record-check, 2)Financial/Credit Check,
> 3)Basic First Aid/CPR course, 4) FP Softball knowledge and experience.

> Sure above would have some adverse impact initially but on a long run it would
> benifit all involved (players, coaches and parents). Just because a coach is
> certified does not relieve the players/parents from their responsibilities.

> Well if you don't want certification go ahead coach in the other organizations
> which would let you coach without the certification.

> If there are no coaches -there won't be teams and there won't be any teams if
> there are no players.

I assumed that everyone did the "police record check."  At least they do
in my community.  

There are First Aid classes usually conducted for free every year at
community hospitals for Little League groups.  Anyone may attend.  They
basically teach you what to do and especially, what not to do, until the
paramedics get there.  The class I attended, some orthopedic surgeons
came in and covered the "what not to do."  They made a very big deal out
of "not moving a person in pain for reasons of time."  The game will
wait.  The real injury often occurs when an inexperienced person attempts
to move an injured youth in pain to the sidelines.  There is also the
issue of prescribing medicine without a license (ie. Tylenol).  Just
because a child looks as strong as an ox does not mean that you should
not proceed with caution and ask questions.  There may be medical issues
to be considered. . . allergies or perhaps the youth all ready takes
medicines at home and a certain combination of seemingly harmless meds
could become life threatening.  Of course, Mom's and Dad's need to
communicate medical info in writing to the coach and/or on all team
paperwork.  It would be so needless to lose a youth because a coach did
not know that an Epipen (Dr. prescribed premade shot) in a player's bat
bag for a bee sting could have saved her life and/or bought them some
time until a paramedic got there.  If you're involved in sports with
children, this is information you should know.      

The ASA certification of coaches is a great program and not hard to do.  
In the past, I've been a bronze level coach and my husband a silver.  
(Our ASA league required the certification to coach a team.)  The ASA
video tape method of teaching and seminar sessions required were
informative and worth while. You'll gain knowledge and experience as you
fulfill the requirements for certification and help a lot of great kids
too.  

I have heard the credit check being bantered about for years but I don't
think that it has ever been enforced in my area.  Getting a "No, this
person does not have a police record." is one thing, but giving an
organization access to a person's finances is not right.  Doing so would
give certain persons all of the necessary information to tamper with or
delve into area's of a person's personal life that might clearly have
nothing to do with whether a person may coach or not.  The person(s)
seeking the information may not be honest, or a gossip.  Where would it
stop?

Cassandra in So. California

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by Hiller » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Good post, Cassandra. I think anyone who is in favor of certification of
managers/coaches should also be in favor of all of those records being
available on the Internet.

Vince

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by DGrup » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Vince spouts off with;

Quote:
> I think anyone who is in favor of certification of
>managers/coaches should also be in favor of all of those records being
>available on the Internet.

You know, I've read all the postings on this subject and the opinions range
 from sensible to outright lunacy, HOWEVER, in Vince's usual style, he has
 suggested something totally insane.

Certification of managers/coaches and even my parent certification of earlier
 this year is one thing, but personal records and information on the 'net. Not
 hardly. If ASA wants to maintain these records, then so be it. If anyone wants
 to know about a particular person, then let them contact ASA. But to put this
 information on the net would be akin to publishing your birth certificate,
 bank account numbers, SSN#, medical history, and tax returns.
If it came to that, I would like to see Vince be the first one to allow his own
 personal matters be layed out for everyone to review, just so he could "test"
 the system.

Later
Dave
DGruper
PS-Dumb idea, Vince....

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by UNLV SB » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

What good is certification? Umpires have to pass tests and stuff and Smokey
 still hasn't a clue
Not from Amie

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by KDavis11 » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

You sure have a lot of fans out here........too bad you can't collect some kind
 of dough....oh yeah,  they need to be nice..never know when you'll see their
 game from the "best seat in the house"....

cheers.....KD

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by Smoke » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Great another deaf and blind umpire.

Deaf is good.
 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by Jazzso » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Great another deaf and blind umpire.

 
 
 

ASA Certification Of Travelball Team Managers/Coaches?

Post by UNLV SB » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Smokey, I happen to think you are a great umpire when you get your ***of the
 couch and umpire...you miss some but I'll let ya know when you are right and
 wrong!!! Don't I always!!
AS "never wrong"
except once