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Post by BBRP » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Dear A Fan and Skippy:

It's great to live in America.  A country where we can sit behind our computers
and bash others or start rumors for no apparent reason other than just because
we can.  It seems that A Fan doesnt have clue as to what ASA is, what it does
or what the difference is between ASA and the Players Association.  Ignorance
is excusable.  But Skippy seems to have a little knowledge of So Cal ASA
operations, and as the old saying goes, "a little knowledge can be a dangerous
thing", especially in a small mind such as his/hers.

Skippy, if you really want some of the BIG BUCKS being paid to the So Cal ASA
staff then step up to the table my man.  Im sure you know how to obtain a
volunteer application, if you dont already have one.  But then again, you
might have to get off your ass and doing something besides sit behind your
computer and degrade, bad mouth and start irresponsible rumors about those who
care about the sport and are therefore willing to DONATE their time in an
effort to making it better.  Im only happy that you are no longer coaching,
your girls will be much better served by a coach with a more positive attitude.

 
 
 

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Post by Jazzso » Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>Dear A Fan and Skippy:

>It's great to live in America.  A country where we can sit behind our
>computers
>and bash others or start rumors for no apparent reason other than just
>because
>we can.

Is it rumor or is it the truth or some of the truth that is the question.

Quote:
> It seems that A Fan doesnt have clue as to what ASA is, what it does
>or what the difference is between ASA and the Players Association.
>Ignorance
>is excusable.

Maybe A Fan does not know because they have not done anything for him.

Quote:
>  But Skippy seems to have a little knowledge of So Cal ASA
>operations, and as the old saying goes, "a little knowledge can be a
>dangerous
>thing", especially in a small mind such as his/hers.

It is only a small mind in your humble opinion.

Quote:

>Skippy, if you really want some of the BIG BUCKS being paid to the So Cal ASA
>staff then step up to the table my man.  Im sure you know how to obtain a
>volunteer application, if you dont already have one.  But then again, you
>might have to get off your ass and doing something besides sit behind your
>computer and degrade, bad mouth and start irresponsible rumors about those
>who
>care about the sport and are therefore willing to DONATE their time in an
>effort to making it better.

Spoken like a member of the ASA staff. What do you do? Do you host and find
fields for tournaments? Do you help expose the older players to the colleges?
Do you help find sponsors? What do you do?

Quote:
>  Im only happy that you are no longer coaching,
>your girls will be much better served by a coach with a more positive
>attitude.

I got to love this comment. Positive Attitude. I think Skippy is positive
he/she does not like what ASA is doing. Neither do I. As far as ASA staff
members making money I wonder. The UIC's at state tournaments are paid to be
there. The tournament directors are paid to be there. Who makes money from the
vendors who attend the registration meeting? I bet it does not ALL go to ASA.
Do I have a problem with them making some money NO. What I have a problem with
is them EARNING it. Phone calls are not returned, communication is bad. What
can be done about it NOTHING until ASA realizes that the teams do not need them
as much as ASA needs the teams.

The current president of ASA has admitted that the domestic programs needs much
more attention and that it should be a prime goal for all commissioners. At
least he sees the problems. With registrations DROPPING at an alarming rate in
all but one area of softball ASA is having trouble balancing their budget. The
drop is of great concern to ASA but makes one wonder why. Maybe it is because
the attitude of the people on the ASA staff needs to change from a Parent to a
friend.

 
 
 

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Post by Skip » Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:00:00

jazz wrote a lot of truth. Lots of parents and coaches are unaware of
many things that are not right in ASA. Wait until those things affect
them. As far as the SoCal staff supporting what they do, that's
expected, they are in charge and anyone having legit complaints are
always the bad guys. In time truth wins out.
Skip


Quote:
> >Dear A Fan and Skippy:

> >It's great to live in America.  A country where we can sit behind our
> >computers
> >and bash others or start rumors for no apparent reason other than
just
> >because
> >we can.

> Is it rumor or is it the truth or some of the truth that is the
question.

> > It seems that A Fan doesnt have clue as to what ASA is, what it
does
> >or what the difference is between ASA and the Players Association.
> >Ignorance
> >is excusable.

> Maybe A Fan does not know because they have not done anything for him.

> >  But Skippy seems to have a little knowledge of So Cal ASA
> >operations, and as the old saying goes, "a little knowledge can be a
> >dangerous
> >thing", especially in a small mind such as his/hers.

> It is only a small mind in your humble opinion.

> >Skippy, if you really want some of the BIG BUCKS being paid to the
So Cal ASA
> >staff then step up to the table my man.  Im sure you know how to
obtain a
> >volunteer application, if you dont already have one.  But then
again, you
> >might have to get off your ass and doing something besides sit
behind your
> >computer and degrade, bad mouth and start irresponsible rumors about
those
> >who
> >care about the sport and are therefore willing to DONATE their time
in an
> >effort to making it better.

> Spoken like a member of the ASA staff. What do you do? Do you host
and find
> fields for tournaments? Do you help expose the older players to the
colleges?
> Do you help find sponsors? What do you do?

> >  Im only happy that you are no longer coaching,
> >your girls will be much better served by a coach with a more positive
> >attitude.

> I got to love this comment. Positive Attitude. I think Skippy is
positive
> he/she does not like what ASA is doing. Neither do I. As far as ASA
staff
> members making money I wonder. The UIC's at state tournaments are
paid to be
> there. The tournament directors are paid to be there. Who makes money
from the
> vendors who attend the registration meeting? I bet it does not ALL go
to ASA.
> Do I have a problem with them making some money NO. What I have a
problem with
> is them EARNING it. Phone calls are not returned, communication is
bad. What
> can be done about it NOTHING until ASA realizes that the teams do not
need them
> as much as ASA needs the teams.

> The current president of ASA has admitted that the domestic programs
needs much
> more attention and that it should be a prime goal for all
commissioners. At
> least he sees the problems. With registrations DROPPING at an
alarming rate in
> all but one area of softball ASA is having trouble balancing their
budget. The
> drop is of great concern to ASA but makes one wonder why. Maybe it is
because
> the attitude of the people on the ASA staff needs to change from a
Parent to a
> friend.

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Post by Pobo » Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>jazz wrote a lot of truth.

Don has a legitimate beef with ASA over the women's program.Unfortunately, it
spreads to the Junior Olympic program, that IMHO, continues to grow despite the
so called "problems" that you elude to.

If you have facts....then state them. Back them up with a bit of backbone.
Making statements like:

Quote:
>Lots of parents and coaches are unaware of
>many things that are not right in ASA.

are weak and ambiguous.

Again, I know a bunch of the people that are working down in Socal....and, to,
my knowledge, not one of them has gotten rich from working for Socal ASA. All
are volunteers who spend many hours working to help kids like your daughter
have a place to play.

Do they make mistakes....sure. It's just not a perfect world.

bob

 
 
 

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Post by Asapa » Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:00:00

If you have a problem with ASA-voice it.  We want to hear it.  But don't listen
to the people trying to promote the other so-called organizations by down
grading a good one.  Speaking of making money-ask the President of ASA what he
is paid-NOTHING.
 
 
 

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Post by ALAN11 » Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>But don't listen
>to the people trying to promote the other so-called organizations by down
>grading a good one.

What are these "SO CALLED OTHER PROGRAMS in SO CAL?

Also ASA is an ASSOCIATION and not a Program.

 
 
 

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Post by Mynameiss » Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:00:00

SKIPPY YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. A.S.A DOES'NT WANT PEOPLE ON BOARD THAT WILL
ROCK THE BOAT BY ASKING TO MANY ? ABOUT HOW IT IS RUN. AS MEMBERS OF A.S.A. WE
HAVE THE RIGHT TO A SO. CAL. A.S.A. BUDGET. LAST YEAR WE ASKED OUR COACH TO ASK
FOR A BUDGET FROM A.S.A. HE TOLD US A.S.A. SAID THAT THEIR BUDGET WAS NOT FOR
PUBLICATION TOO ITS MEMBERS. DOES THAT NOT LEAD ONE TO THINK THAT THEY HAVE
SOMETHING TO HIDE. BUT YET THEY EXPECT THE COACHES TO PUBLISH ONE TO THE TEAM
MEMBERS. OH BY THE WAY BBRPD I GUESS WE SHOULD CONSIDER YOU ONE OF THE FAT
ASS'S BEHIND THE COMPUTER BECAUSE YOU FORGOT TO SIGN YOUR POST WHATS THE MATTER
NO BALLS.

SUE ROMO

 
 
 

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Post by Mynameiss » Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:00:00

O.K. SHOW ME A BUDGET!!!!. WHY IS BOBBIE JORDAN NO LONGER WITH A.S.A. AND
GERRIE GRIDER, OR JOANN VANDITTO? I EAGERLY AWAIT YOUR REPLY.

SUE R.

 
 
 

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Post by Jazzso » Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>Don has a legitimate beef with ASA over the women's program.Unfortunately, it
>spreads to the Junior Olympic program, that IMHO, continues to grow despite
>the
>so called "problems" that you elude to.

Bob, I can understand what you are saying about the JO program. What is
happening right now in the womans program started years ago. Will it happen in
the JO program who knows. I only hope it does not.

What is of concern is the assumption that ASA is responsible for the growth in
the JO program. I don't buy that. If all the good teams got together and left
ASA and did not go to Nationals where would the college coaches go. If the
college coaches quit going to ASA tournaments for what ever reason do you think
the JO program would still grow for ASA. I don't.

Don

 
 
 

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Post by Pobo » Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Good points, Don.

Quote:
>What is of concern is the assumption that ASA is responsible for the growth
>in
>the JO program.

If that is the assumption....I would be the first to agree. It's taken a lot of
work.....from all aspects of the program. ASA does get their share...but so do
all the coaches that spend countless hours....the parents who support
it.....and the kids for all the hardwork.

Ya gotta give credit where it's deserved.....has there been bumps along the
way....sure there has. Do they need to rebuild the women's program....sure they
do....but it takes pressure and commitment from the troops to make it happen.

Quote:
> I don't buy that. If all the good teams got together and left
>ASA and did not go to Nationals where would the college coaches go.

No doubt...they'll follow the kids.

Quote:
> If the
>college coaches quit going to ASA tournaments for what ever reason do you
>think
>the JO program would still grow for ASA. I don't.

agree again.....however..... If you continually improve the product....it
should stay healthy. It's too bad guys like Skippy, who obviously had a bad
experience, can't get by a single problem....and trashes the whole program.

The thing works. I too hope we don't***it up by voting in new rules like
the East vs. West thing. It's a bad rule....and we've gotta keep them out. But
through the internet....we're all alot more informed...and can help to insure
that ***like that does not happen.

Hopefully anyway.

bob

 
 
 

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Post by Jazzso » Sat, 13 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>The thing works. I too hope we don't***it up by voting in new rules like
>the East vs. West thing. It's a bad rule....and we've gotta keep them out.

I like the potential of this idea. I have little faith that it will be written
in a way that makes sense. Just a word of caution to ASA from the head of
NSA,"ASA is bigger than us and you most likely will always be in the ***
programs BUT we are kicking your ass in the youth programs and there is nothing
you can do about it." Maybe if Asa does not get their house in order Cantrell
will be right.
Don
 
 
 

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Post by Pobo » Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>NSA,"ASA is bigger than us and you most likely will always be in the ***
>programs BUT we are kicking your ass in the youth programs and there is
>nothing
>you can do about it."

Is that an actual quote, Don?

bob

 
 
 

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Post by Jazzso » Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>>NSA,"ASA is bigger than us and you most likely will always be in the ***
>>programs BUT we are kicking your ass in the youth programs and there is
>>nothing
>>you can do about it."

>Is that an actual quote, Don?

>bob

Yes Bob that is an actual quote made by Cantrell according to a high ranking
ASA official.

Don

 
 
 

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Post by Pobo » Mon, 15 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>BUT we are kicking your ass in the youth programs and there is
>>>nothing
>>>you can do about it."

>>Is that an actual quote, Don?

>>bob

>Yes Bob that is an actual quote made by Cantrell according to a high ranking
>ASA official.

I'm sure that "high ranking ASA official" was quoted in print somewhere, Don.
Or was Mr. Cantrell quoted in one of the softball magazines as saying NSA, "are
kicking your ass in the youth programs and there is nothing you can do about
it."

I, for one, would be really interested in reading that quote somewhere other
than RSS.

Not that I'm doubting you Don......heaven forbid.....just would really love to
actually see that someone, like Mr. Cantrell, is actually accountable for a
ridulous quote as that.

bob