OPEN LETTER TO SO. CA. ASA

OPEN LETTER TO SO. CA. ASA

Post by Frank Spenc » Thu, 05 Sep 2002 04:04:20


September 3, 2002

Stephen Monson
Commissioner Southern California ASA
6850 Brockton, Avenue #210
Riverside, CA 92506

Dear Mr. Monson:

I am writing this letter in hopes of soliciting your assistance in
dealing with a situation that I find frustrating to say the least.
Last year in exchange for staffing the Tomark Booth, I was able to
discuss my web site (www.AllAmSoftball.com) with the coaches who came
by the booth. I found this experience rewarding and informative.

This year I felt that it would be a proper course of action for me to
pay for my own booth. I have sense been told that my service is
inappropriate for the So. Ca. ASA meeting and that while my request
was being considered by the executive committee, that I truly did not
belong and should not make plans to attend.

My website, aids players in the recruitment process. Last year I
donated the service to 200 Southern California Athletes at no charge.
This year we are offering the service to Southern California teams for
$200. Once a player is in the database they remain until they
graduate, sign a National Letter of Intent, or request removal. This
being said the players who entered for free got terrific value, those
who enter this year will be paying somewhere in the neighborhood of
$3.35 per year if they enter as freshman.

As a twelve year veteran of ASA softball, a two year volunteer author
for the J.O. Newsletter, and a long time supporter of our organization
and its goals, I am offended that I am deemed less desirable then
someone who sells equipment, or uniforms, or gives skills lessons. For
years, I have made myself available to parents and athletes who had
questions regarding the recruiting process for free. The nominal fee
that I am soliciting currently will allow me to someday offer no cost
camps, scholarship assistance, and a multitude of other aides to the
athletes who wish to take their game to the college arena.

I ask to be allowed to purchase a booth, and explain what I am trying
to accomplish to those who can use my service. If there is a need then
I will be successful. If there is not then there is no harm in my
attendance.

I look forward to your assistance in this matter .

Sincerely,

Frank Spencer
All American Softball Academy

 
 
 

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Post by Jazzso » Thu, 05 Sep 2002 06:57:43

Talk to them about a kickback. Maybe that will change things.

Not signed.
LMAO

 
 
 

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Post by CalzH » Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:02:06

Frank Spencer makes a good case and he has been an outstanding contributor to
girls softball over the years. And he contributes in an upstanding and
dignified manner.

I fear that ASA might possibly respond with the familiar refrain that they care
not to be a recruiting agency for college softball. I have, over the past few
years, urged friends inside ASA to consider that most players from 16U through
18U Gold have some sort of college softball aspirations, and if ASA does not
provide certain comforts to the college recruiting process, they risk losing
their standing with the young ladies and coaches of those age groups. That
could lead to defections to other youth softball organizations who would gladly
pick up the slack from ASA.

A positive response to Frank Spencer on this could be a good example of ASA
cooperating just a bit with the needs of their clients, youth softball players,
in mind.

So. Cal. ASA has nothing to lose and quite a bit to gain.

Hal Bobrow

 
 
 

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Post by Charles Tilso » Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:45:14

Kickbacks whats a kickback??????

LOL



Quote:
> Talk to them about a kickback. Maybe that will change things.

> Not signed.
> LMAO

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Ro » Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:44:52

Quote:

>September 3, 2002

>Stephen Monson
>Commissioner Southern California ASA
>6850 Brockton, Avenue #210
>Riverside, CA 92506

>Dear Mr. Monson:

>I am writing this letter in hopes of soliciting your assistance in
>dealing with a situation that I find frustrating to say the least.
>Last year in exchange for staffing the Tomark Booth, I was able to
>discuss my web site (www.AllAmSoftball.com) with the coaches who came
>by the booth. I found this experience rewarding and informative.

Well, to be honest, I agree with Steve Monson.  Trust me, this is a rare
ocassion I agree with Steve Monson.

The site in question may provide a service to some of the softballers out
there, but it Is not something which should be part of ASA's site.

It seems to be a site which provides a great advantage for those enrolled,
however, it does not belong under the guise of ASA.

Good luck to the young ladies who make the move to the higher level, it is not
as easy as some belieive.

Thanks,

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Matthew C. Aycoc » Fri, 06 Sep 2002 04:25:24

:%>dealing with a situation that I find frustrating to say the least.
:%>Last year in exchange for staffing the Tomark Booth, I was able to
:%>discuss my web site (www.AllAmSoftball.com) with the coaches who came
:%>by the booth. I found this experience rewarding and informative.

:%Well, to be honest, I agree with Steve Monson.  Trust me, this is a rare
:%ocassion I agree with Steve Monson.

:%The site in question may provide a service to some of the softballers out
:%there, but it Is not something which should be part of ASA's site.

Mike,

I am not sure we are on the same page here. What I got from the letter was
that although others who provide a service (ie equipment manufactures or
pitching coaches) are allowed to buy a booth at the convention, the author
of the letter was told he will probably be denied (because his service is
not appropriate). I do not think that he was requesting his web page to
be linked from any ASA page or the like. I believe he just wanted the
opportunity to PURCHASE a booth just like the equipment makers are allowed.
Then he would either have wasted the money or it would be a benefit to some
of the people he spoke with.

I personally do not know all the details, but I also do not think that any
reasonable request to purchase a booth should be turned down if it is made on
time and in the proper manner.

--
Thanks,

Matt
----------
Matthew C. Aycock
Operating Systems Analyst/Developer, Lead
Dept Math/CS
Emory University, Atlanta, GA

 
 
 

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Post by Frank Spenc » Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:36:57

Hi Mike,

In your response you left me with the impression that I was asking to
be linked with the ASA website. I probably should have explained that
I was asking for the right to pay for a booth at the ASA managers
meeting in February. I hope that this makes it clearer to all who are
interested.

Frank Spencer
All American Softball Academy

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Ro » Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:14:05

Quote:
>Hi Mike,

>In your response you left me with the impression that I was asking to
>be linked with the ASA website. I probably should have explained that
>I was asking for the right to pay for a booth at the ASA managers
>meeting in February. I hope that this makes it clearer to all who are
>interested.

>Frank Spencer
>All American Softball Academy

Sorry, Frank, my misunderstanding.

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Ji » Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:02:15

Quote:

> Hi Mike,

> In your response you left me with the impression that I was asking to
> be linked with the ASA website. I probably should have explained that
> I was asking for the right to pay for a booth at the ASA managers
> meeting in February. I hope that this makes it clearer to all who are
> interested.

> Frank Spencer
> All American Softball Academy

When I first read of your website I did not feel it to be a great
value. However, my opinion should not finalize your fate.

There is certainly nothing negative or inappropriate about your
service. I believe you should be allowed to offer your service through
a paid both at the ASA meeting. As you stated, if people are
interested they should be able to ask questions. No takers, no harm.

It is sad to say but I must agree with others, your product does not
appear to have "kick-back" potential. God forbid that you offer a good
product for a reasonable price that is primarily designed as a service
for the players.

Good luck on your venture. I hope it lives or dies on its merits and
not because of ASA's opinion.

Jim

 
 
 

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Post by Jason Sco » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 01:46:51

Does the admission to a misunderstanding mean you have changed your opinion?
Quote:

> >Hi Mike,

> >In your response you left me with the impression that I was asking to
> >be linked with the ASA website. I probably should have explained that
> >I was asking for the right to pay for a booth at the ASA managers
> >meeting in February. I hope that this makes it clearer to all who are
> >interested.

> >Frank Spencer
> >All American Softball Academy

> Sorry, Frank, my misunderstanding.

> Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Ro » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:30:56

Quote:
>Does the admission to a misunderstanding mean you have changed your opinion?

Not necessarily as I don't know how Frank approaches the situation or how he
sells his product.

I misread the post in a manner to believe that Mr. Spencer was expecting to
encroach on someone else's territory.

Maybe Mr Spencer has a different agenda then others, maybe not.

Here is hoping Frank gets his due and a booth at the meeting.

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Linda A » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:47:10

This subject is definately in the wrong forum.  I don't know who started it
here but this issue is between Frank Spencer and Steve Monson.
Frank may have been told that having his own independent booth at the So Cal
ASA Travel Ball Meeting, promoting his recruiting service/business, would be in
direct conflict with what Lorrie Ivie does as the Director of our Southern
California Player's Association.  The Player's Association has always charged
$15 per player to register for the college network.  This fee is a one time
fee.  $15 is a far cry from the amount that some of these recruiting services
charge. Lorrie does not get one red cent for doing this.  Never has and
probably never would.  Kickbacks?  That's an insult.  Lorrie has focused the
majority of her time to connect So Cal players with college coaches across the
country.  The calls, emails and letters of thanks for the service come into the
Player's Association daily. They also offer scholarships every year for very
deserving players.  
  Frank Spencer may have a very good thing going with his college recruiting
service/business but I must say that I truly believe it would be a "conflict"
of interest for us to put on this meeting every January, have the Player's
Association at their table (as they have for the past several years) and
recruiting services/business at another table.  
  What they (Lorrie & Brenda) are doing for the girls is fantastic.  This is a
benefit to our players and I just don't think we should jeopardize the hard
work and generosity that Lorrie gives to So Cal ASA.  
 
 
 

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Post by Linda A » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:48:40

Sorry, forgot to sign the last post.

Linda Henry

 
 
 

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Post by Ji » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:04:36

I guess I've reached a point where I am tired of listening to ASA, in
particular SoCal ASA, whine. Woe is me, I work so hard for free (?),
and no one cares but we (SoCal ASA)!

I had a huge gripe earlier in the year about posting and all I got was
whining. But the posting improved because others agreed. The posting
was done very well by your webmaster "once she was provided the
information". If the Player's Association updates at the same rate of
the tournament updates they will have this year's seniors posted by
June, 2003.

The biggest reason ASA and SoCal ASA gets confronted in this forum is
due to the lack of interest or slow response when a question is
proposed directly to them. I am so tired of hearing how hard they work
as volunteers. SoCal ASA has two standard answers, we're too busy and
why don't you volunteer. I could write volumes, don't get me started,
but that is not the issue here.

Maybe the amount of work and lack of volunteer help that SoCal ASA has
is exactly why an independent service for player information is
needed. Maybe an independent service would be, exactly what SoCal ASA
claims their interest is, what's best for the players.

I can see the question coming of should we allow AFA or NSA to offer
their product at our meeting too? The answer here is simple, ASA, AFA,
and NSA are all forums for softball competition. No, you do not invite
your competitior to your meeting.

But ASA is not in the business of college recruiting. So a college
recruiting service is NOT in direct conflict with ASA and should be
allowed to purchase a space to present their product at the ASA
meeting.

Jim

 
 
 

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Post by Frank Spenc » Sun, 08 Sep 2002 02:02:24

It is important to note that just like the fact that there is more
then one booth dedicated to those who sell bats, uniforms, ect, there
can be more then one booth dedicated to college recruiting.

The work that Lorrie Ivy does on behalf of the players association is
beyond reproach. It is selfless in nature and to the benefit of her
constituency (the players). The service that I provide is a adjunct to
that which Lorrie provides. Because I do not represent any
organization other then myself, I can make player evaulations, coaches
comments, part of the information package that I provide the colleges,
assisting them in the evaluation process, and in doing so benefiting
the athletes that I represent.

We are not in conflict over the services that we provide. Our services
compliment each other.

Lorrie to her credit aided me in the design and developement of this
service concept. I consider Lorrie a friend, and I hope that she feels
the same about me.

If ASA feels that allowing me to have a booth at the managers meeting
is tantamount to endorsing my service, then they must also consider
the ramifications of endorsing any service, epuipment providers ect.

I don't believe however, that any endor***t is implied or intended.
More to the point, I believe that they are simply allowing these
providers the opportunity (for a fee) to present their products for
evaluation and purchase. I am simply asking for the same
consideration.

This will be my last post on this matter, because I don't want this
debate to drag on and on. For those who support my position, thank
you. For those who disagree, I have enjoyed hearing the differing
opinions.

Frank Spencer
All American Softball Academy