Gold Division Responce

Gold Division Responce

Post by Dale Moo » Wed, 17 Jan 1996 04:00:00


In response to the Gold Division, I also think it sucks. Our team really
enjoyed meeting
and playing Teams from other States. We play about 100 games a year
against California
Teams and now that's all We see at Nationals. Since coming in third at
last years Gold
Nationals , ASA gives us an automatic berth to the 1996 Nationals. Why is
ASA giving
out so many births to the Gold Nationals? Is it to fill the Tournament
because they Know
the other regions won't sent there best teams or any teams? Is it to get
the so called top
teams out of the way?

I think the Eastern teams are playing us tougher than ever , and I think
the reason for that
is because they "were" playing the best competition at National
Qualifiers and at the
Nationals. Does the East think this trend will continue if  they don't
play the best. The
Gold Nationals in Stockton is going to try and have a 5 game guarantee
this year to try
and pull some of the eastern teams in. Will it work??

If not You can bet there won't be a Gold next year .

Win or loose you have to play the best to be the best.

Dale Moore (Panthers Gold)

 
 
 

Gold Division Responce

Post by John Ga » Sat, 20 Jan 1996 04:00:00

I know the ASA meeting in Southern Calif. is on Jan. 27, 1996,
and there will be a Gold Meeting prior to the regular meeting.
I know ASA will tell us everything about the Gold Division and
whats going to take place this year. But who will believe it?
If the last two years are an example, no one knows whats going to
happen until it does. The ASA Gold Regional Qualifing System, to
date, is like holding a dance and no one shows up.

I know ASA is going to tell us that there will be 15 Regional
Qualifiers, awarded berths, host berths, returning berths and
so on. When it comes down to it there has been 20 teams from
So. Calif., and a few from other areas. Maybe some of the coaches
from the rest of the U.S. can tell us if their region is going
to send teams to the Gold Nationals. Or who in their region will
play "Gold" or "A".

John Gaw
Calif. Pirettes

 
 
 

Gold Division Responce

Post by wdgoodi » Sat, 27 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> In response to the Gold Division, I also think it sucks. Our team really
> enjoyed meeting
> and playing Teams from other States. We play about 100 games a year
> against California
> Teams and now that's all We see at Nationals. Since coming in third at
> last years Gold
> Nationals , ASA gives us an automatic berth to the 1996 Nationals. Why is
> ASA giving
> out so many births to the Gold Nationals? Is it to fill the Tournament
> because they Know
> the other regions won't sent there best teams or any teams? Is it to get
> the so called top
> teams out of the way?

> I think the Eastern teams are playing us tougher than ever , and I think
> the reason for that
> is because they "were" playing the best competition at National
> Qualifiers and at the
> Nationals. Does the East think this trend will continue if  they don't
> play the best. The
> Gold Nationals in Stockton is going to try and have a 5 game guarantee
> this year to try
> and pull some of the eastern teams in. Will it work??

> If not You can bet there won't be a Gold next year .

> Win or loose you have to play the best to be the best.

> Dale Moore (Panthers Gold)

Are there any other ASA organizations out there that can speak for their
region? Will CA, AZ, and TX be the only states sending teams to the Gold
Nationals. Last year there were 2 teams from Mich (I think) and 1 from OK.
Will these teams be back or will they go back to the "A" division. There
are some very good teams in Oregon, Ohio, Tenn, Wash, Illinois, etc... I
would like to get a good feeling for what this year's Gold Nationals will
look like. Will it be as Dale suggests (Cal, AZ, & TX teams only)? Please
post any info you may have on this matter.

I agree with everyone of Dale's statements. The Eastern teams are getting
tougher every year, but will it keep up if they do not play the teams from
Cal and Texas? It would be a real drag to go a "National" Tourney and have
it be no different than any other summer/fall/winter tourney in So Cal.

We have had these talks before. If I were a betting man, I would say this
will be the last year for the Gold Division.

Oh, by the way, my team with 5 sophomores (possibly 6) and 7 juniors (3 of
which could play 16&U again along with the 5(or 6) sophomores)will be
playing in the "A" division.

Wes Goodin
So Cal Stealth

 
 
 

Gold Division Responce

Post by Mark Wilkinso » Sun, 28 Jan 1996 04:00:00

I must say that I'm surprised at the whining coming from the West Coast.
There is no doubt that the best 18U and below softball is played in
California and Arizona.  And it appears you are victims of your own
success.  For such staunch ASA supporters, you seem awfully upset that
ASA is doing what it has always done.  All you have to do is look at the
multiple divisions in ASA slowpitch.  When a group of teams become so
good that they dominate the national competition, ASA has always created
a new upper division.  As other teams reach this level of skill, they too
are moved up.  Doesn't that seem fair?

California and Arizona teams have tremendous players who have the
opportunity to play year round.  Heck, your coaches might be better, but
it's hard to judge when the playing field isn't level.  I guess we'll
find out if it's the weather and players or that great California
coaching in about ten years.  That's about how long it will take for
Florida softball to develop.  And if a team from Illinois or Indiana wins
the A Nationals, it's still a national championship, Vince.  This is not
sour grapes.  You guys have got it great!  I would love to coach year
round.  Gold is just the price you have to pay for being so good.

 
 
 

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Post by Vince Den » Sun, 28 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>I must say that I'm surprised at the whining coming from the West Coast.

Sounds like the whining from outside the West Coast all these years from those who can't win a
Nationals.

Quote:
>There is no doubt that the best 18U and below softball is played in
>California and Arizona.

So what's your problem, Mark?

Quote:
>  And it appears you are victims of your own
>success.

More like victims of little kids who see they can't win. ROSS PEROT, MARK WILKINSON, SAME THING.
Take your ball and go home.

Quote:
> For such staunch ASA supporters, you seem awfully upset that
>ASA is doing what it has always done.  All you have to do is look at the
>multiple divisions in ASA slowpitch.  When a group of teams become so
>good that they dominate the national competition, ASA has always created
>a new upper division.  As other teams reach this level of skill, they too
>are moved up.  Doesn't that seem fair?

I think the biggest problem here isn't fairness so much as boredom. So, one week we play a qualifier
in Claremont, listen to Gary Faucett make an ass of himself. Next week, more Gary Faucett making an
ass out of himself. Following week...etc. Glad Dale Moore and the rest had their butts rained out
last week...glad I didn't go, it would've been the same old ***as last spring and summer.

Quote:
>California and Arizona teams have tremendous players who have the
>opportunity to play year round.

Wah, we in the Midwest can't play year around. We sure like talking about how we're catching up,
though. WHICH IS IT?

Quote:
> Heck, your coaches might be better

Arguable. CA coaches give themselves too much credit, in my opinion.

Quote:
>but
>it's hard to judge when the playing field isn't level.

Let's see...60-foot bases, 40-foot pitching distance, same sized ball...what's not level?

Quote:
> I guess we'll
>find out if it's the weather and players or that great California
>coaching in about ten years.

Does the previous sentence make any sense? Sounds like balancing the budget in seven years. WAKE UP.

Quote:
> That's about how long it will take for
>Florida softball to develop.

Florida has better weather than California and isn't anywhere close, never has been, never will be.

Quote:
>And if a team from Illinois or Indiana wins
>the A Nationals, it's still a national championship, Vince.

If I win a handicap bowling tournament in El Cajon, CA, I will feel like I just won the Firestone,
and you'll hear about it on this board.

Quote:
>This is not sour grapes.

More like hemorrhoids for you.

Quote:
> You guys have got it great!  I would love to coach year
>round.  Gold is just the price you have to pay for being so good.

What, you can't coach year around? Why not? Snow on the ground? Pitchers and catcher in California
refine their skills in a bullpen and batting cage. No room for that in the Midwest, I guess.

Paying the price for success? What kind of shit is that? Sounds like something a Democrat would
say...you make too much money, we the government are entitled to take more of it from you...you're
not allowed to be so good...

SUCCESS IS EARNED.

Vince

 
 
 

Gold Division Responce

Post by Mark Wilkinso » Sun, 28 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Ouch!  I'm sizzling back here in Indiana.  I've really been put in my
place.  Imagine me, a high school softball coach, making any kind of
negative comment about California softball.  I should just be glad I'm
allowed on this newsgroup.

Actually, I can agree with your point about boredom.  Playing the same
teams all the time must be boring.  I don't know how major league
baseball players stand it.

Our Midwestern teams are getting better(you know that), but not being
able TO PLAY in the winter months is a disadvantage.  That's just a fact,
not an excuse.  As high school coaches, we are limited on the amount of
softball contact we can have with our kids.  OUR players do got to
pitching/hitting/fielding schools in the off season, but this concept is
relatively new.  We encourage it.

I think the Ross Perot comment was pretty cheap.  I'm deeply hurt.

Wilk

 
 
 

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Post by DMPanthe » Mon, 29 Jan 1996 04:00:00

In responce to Mark Wilkinson,
It's not whining we're doing. We just want to play the best competition
from around the
Nation. And that means Florida too. You can't tell Me You can't put a
competitive team
together from Florida. My Daughter goes to school there and says there are
some pretty
good players there.

You can make up as many divisions as you want, but there is still only one
Champion. If
ASA has to do this to make your team win a National championship you might
as well go
play T-Ball. On the other hand the east can continue to play the best from
the west. and
continue to get better as they have. Lets see we're not very good in
Olympic bobsledding,
so I think We should be in another classification. Or do We get our butts
kicked a few
times and find a way to beat them. Don't degrade the East by putting them
in a lower
class. Let them get there butts kicked until they kick ours.

 If it take you ten year to make an athlete a good Softball player you
need to find another
job like teaching knitting. Most teams from the east, that our team has
played, has just as
good a coaching as the west.

If you want to be the best you have to play the best.
Dale Moore (Panthers Gold)

 
 
 

Gold Division Responce

Post by Tim Ada » Mon, 29 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Vince:
     You hate Gold for one reason and one reason only...it created a
WESTERN NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP for all the BIG TIME TRAVEL TEAMS.
ASA GOLD FASTPITCH is nothing more but the colusion of the ASA and the
NSCA to form a recruiting base of the BEST players in the WEST.  You
people didn't get what you deserved...Your BIG TIME travel COACHES
like your coach promises the moon to the best athletes.  But Hannings
teams and Moores teams probably are the only teams that boasts 100%
Division I talent.  I have no axe to grind with your CALIFORNIA TALENT
POOL.  But, If you want true representation of a National
Championship.  You can't let 35 CA teams in the tourney no matter how
good they are...!  
     Vince you get e***d when there ar 30+ college coaches at your
tourneys...How many DIVISION I programs are ther in the USA?  UCLA and
ARIZONA are the class.  Oh yes, and your favorite coach Margie Wright.
I have said for years that the perfect plan is much like the GREAT
COMPROMISE in U.S. history.  You want a fairer way to get people
e***d about playing one another...Your CHICKEN SHIT tourneys usually
don't even play championship games.  WHY? mutual admiration of one
anothers talents and gifts???   The truthn is you guys get tired of
playing one another or are your girls missing to much beach time?  I
have a plan that incoroporates 3 levels of  National Championships!
Spend your creative momnets coming up with some answers and less time
flaming  Mark Wilkinson.  You know I wear ASBESTOS and don't dare
inhale like your favorite President!  You were watching when I called!

Tim Adams

 
 
 

Gold Division Responce

Post by Tim Ada » Mon, 29 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Vince:
     You HATE GOLD ASA Fastpitch.  But your not intellectually honest
with it.  You BAD BOY'S in CA got exactly what you deserved.  You have
your own National Championship.  My Heart goes out to the PANTHERS,
BATBUSTERS, POWERS etc. etc.  Who meet week after week and don't even
finish championship games because the players are to HOT AND TIRED.
Or they seen one another so much they can't stand kicking one anothers
"BUTTOCKS" (gumpism).  
     My Lord Vince I'm surprised you and JAZZSOFT hadn't figured out
the collusion between the NSCA and the ASA.  It's plain and simple.
Gold keeps the players in a single geographical location for total
recruitment into the college ranks.  We all know the biggest and
baddest play gold.  The college coaches who are members of the NSCA
are behind the gold Idea.  What a tremendous talent pool to pull from.
***"A", allow the others the crumbs of girls who sold their soul to
play fastpitch.  The most powerful coaches in American Fastptich
softball are on the INTERNET yet they can't get their Associations
attention to change a BAD idea.
     The truth is that HISTORY gives us the best format to play a real
National Championship made up of the best teams from states all
accross the land.  HISTORY will give you the best format for a GREAT
NATIONAL Tourney.  You people need to study U.S. HISTORY and THE GREAT
COMPROMISE.  This Tidbit in U.S. History will give you the answer to
the ASA gold diliema and give America back a real National
Championship as fair as it gets.  WAKE UP ASA AND YOU WESTERN ELITISTS
and give AMERICA FASTPTICH SOFTBALL A SHOT IN THE ARM.  Figure it out
Vince and get back to me!

Tim Adams

 
 
 

Gold Division Responce

Post by Jazzso » Mon, 29 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Finally a heated discussion. Tim as usual you try and flame the program
and still hide in the high school level of play. Get off your ass put a
team together and PLAY.
 
 
 

Gold Division Responce

Post by Vince Den » Mon, 29 Jan 1996 04:00:00

Hey Tim, when are you going to say something about your girls on your WEB page. So far it's all
about you and how smart you are.

Vince