Need input from coaches

Need input from coaches

Post by GreenHorne » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Here's the situation:
My daughter, a high school freshman, atteneded a meeting yesterday regarding
the 2000 school softball season. She and the other girls were informed by
the new coach that they would not be allowed to play or practice with a
tournament team during the school ball season.

My question: Is this typical in your area?

Thanks in advance,
Gregg A. Green

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Golin » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Don't know where your from, but in Indiana that is the IHSAA rule. sad but
true.

Mike Golini

Quote:

>Here's the situation:
>My daughter, a high school freshman, atteneded a meeting yesterday
regarding
>the 2000 school softball season. She and the other girls were informed by
>the new coach that they would not be allowed to play or practice with a
>tournament team during the school ball season.

>My question: Is this typical in your area?

>Thanks in advance,
>Gregg A. Green


 
 
 

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Post by JAMES WISNIEWSK » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Don't know where your from, but in Indiana that is the IHSAA rule. sad but
>true.

Same in Illinois.  Also can't practice with a travel team at ANY TIME during
the school year unless related to imminent competition.  Even clinics are
off limits if more than 2 kids from the same school are there. Last year, 4
members of the state champion cross country team, including the individual
champion, were knocked off their HS track team for practicing for 2 weeks
with their club coach, out of season, but during the school year.  Gotta
watch it out here.  The IHSA doesn't hesitate to enforce its rules.

 
 
 

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Post by Jon » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

No conflict if FL.  Only if it is a school rule.  Maybe the FHSAA realizes
HS coaches, generally speaking,  know less than most kids on the team.


Quote:
> Here's the situation:
> My daughter, a high school freshman, atteneded a meeting yesterday
regarding
> the 2000 school softball season. She and the other girls were informed by
> the new coach that they would not be allowed to play or practice with a
> tournament team during the school ball season.

> My question: Is this typical in your area?

> Thanks in advance,
> Gregg A. Green

 
 
 

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Post by BBRP » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

According to my understanding of the CIF (CA) and specifically the Southern
Section rule, a player can "practice" with their travel team, but they can not
play games during the high school season of the sport.  High school coaches do
have the authority to prohibit players from practicing with their travel team.
 
 
 

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Post by Randy Corwi » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

High School coaches only have the "authority" if you allow them to have it.
I wouldn't tolerate it.


Quote:
> According to my understanding of the CIF (CA) and specifically the
Southern
> Section rule, a player can "practice" with their travel team, but they can
not
> play games during the high school season of the sport.  High school
coaches do
> have the authority to prohibit players from practicing with their travel

team.
 
 
 

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Post by Andy Anderso » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

No, but she does play for one of the top Travel teams in Orange County and is
going to a major Div I school on a full ride.
HS coaches have no right to control what atheletes do ontheir own time.
Quote:

> Right, and you and your daughter always tell the High School coaches how to
> run their programs. Does your daughter have a lot of splinter?


> >High School coaches only have the "authority" if you allow them to have it.
> >I wouldn't tolerate it.



> >> According to my understanding of the CIF (CA) and specifically the
> >Southern
> >> Section rule, a player can "practice" with their travel team, but they
> can
> >not
> >> play games during the high school season of the sport.  High school
> >coaches do
> >> have the authority to prohibit players from practicing with their travel
> >team.

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Golin » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Right, and you and your daughter always tell the High School coaches how to
run their programs. Does your daughter have a lot of splinter?

Quote:

>High School coaches only have the "authority" if you allow them to have it.
>I wouldn't tolerate it.



>> According to my understanding of the CIF (CA) and specifically the
>Southern
>> Section rule, a player can "practice" with their travel team, but they
can
>not
>> play games during the high school season of the sport.  High school
>coaches do
>> have the authority to prohibit players from practicing with their travel
>team.

 
 
 

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Post by Agnt21 » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>No conflict if FL.  Only if it is a school rule.  Maybe the FHSAA realizes
>HS coaches, generally speaking,  know less than most kids on the team.

And certainly not as much as their Florida parents.
 
 
 

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Post by JAMES WISNIEWSK » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

 >HS coaches have no right to control what atheletes do ontheir own time.

Actually, according to the courts in Illinois, they do.  The IHSA and its
somewhat arcane rules have been upheld in court many times.  Bottom line
according to the IHSA and courts, if you don't like the rules, don't play.
You've got to wonder whose best interest they have in mind.

 
 
 

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Post by FPSBCo » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

In Arizona, club versus high school sports are strictly regulated and enforced.
 Quite simply, once a student makes a schol team, regardless of the sport, they
can not practice or play with their club team until their final game is
concluded.  It's not the hs coaches fault here, and many of us disagree with
this rule, but it is the rule and the penalties are harsh.  Specifically, the
team will forfeit all games the student participated in and most painful for
the athlete he or she cannot participate in ANY hs sport for 1 year.  I make it
a point to caution all my players and parents that this is the rule, like it or
not, and if not lobby to change it.

Ken Goldwine
Horizon HS Softball - http://members/aol.com/fpsbcoch/
Scottsdale, AZ

Here's the situation:
My daughter, a high school freshman, atteneded a meeting yesterday regarding
the 2000 school softball season. She and the other girls were informed by
the new coach that they would not be allowed to play or practice with a
tournament team during the school ball season.

My question: Is this typical in your area?

Thanks in advance,
Gregg A. Green

 
 
 

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Post by Jon Tabakma » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:40:18 -0500, "GreenHornet"

Quote:

>Here's the situation:
>My daughter, a high school freshman, atteneded a meeting yesterday regarding
>the 2000 school softball season. She and the other girls were informed by
>the new coach that they would not be allowed to play or practice with a
>tournament team during the school ball season.

>My question: Is this typical in your area?

>Thanks in advance,
>Gregg A. Green

In Southern California, it's not a huge problem.  A few high school
programs have tried to restrict what the players do on their own time,
but it has come back to haunt them.  I don't know of any high school
in So. Cal. that has enforced such a rule.  I do know of one or two
that tired to make the rule only to have kids opt for their summer
team and forgo playing on their High School team.  

It also may be illegal to tell a player that she can not practice with
her summer team on Sundays.  I don't know if anybody has followed up
on that aspect, but I can see tons of problems for the coach, school
administration and district if they ended up in court.

The bottom line is that the kids working out on Sundays with other top
players tend to play at a higher level during the High School season.
I can't think of a winning program at the High School level that has
restricted their players.

Good luck .....

 
 
 

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Post by Andy Anderso » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Many play HS as a social event  and maybe her team mates want her to play. HS
coaches should appreciate those who play on travel teams and encourage them to
keep practicing. It make their jobs easier. I have no problem with the CIF rule
stooping games but HS coaches should allow them to practice with their travel
team.
Quote:

> >HS coaches have no right to control what atheletes do ontheir own time

> Don't put the blame on the coaches...blame the CIF.......Anyway, why bother
> with HS if she is already signed and ready for delivery?...Now you need not
> fret about HS coaches...

 
 
 

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Post by James Masc » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

She and the other girls were informed by the new coach that they would
not be allowed to play or practice with a tournament team during the
school ball season.

My question: Is this typical in your area?

We normally don't see our 16 and 18's after the playoffs in late May.
Two of our coaches are from HS ranks and they get their older teams
going as soon as playoffs are over. Select play is allowed as long as it
doesn't interfere with the HS schedule, and HS games are usually
scheduled Tues-Thursday nights... Leaving the weekends wide open.  A
Cen-Tex perspective.

JM

 
 
 

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Post by JGaw5946 » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I think some of you have missed the point. I think what Andy and the others are
saying is "If the governing body of High School Athletics in your area does not
prohibit you from practicing with your club team during the season" then what
right does a High School coach have to forbid you from doing so.

John Gaw