national berths given and taken away

national berths given and taken away

Post by TracSt » Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:14:30


      I would like to make everyone aware of what I believe is a terrible
injustice that has been perpetrated by ASA on at least two teams that I know
of.  I know of at least two teams that believed finishing 2nd at the ASA
national tournament would assure them of a berth to next years national
tournament.  In fact, during the awards ceremony following the final game, the
person awarding the trophies mentioned that both teams should be proud of their
accomplishments and would be able to automatically attend next years ASA
national championship.  But
in January there was no berth to be had.  Our team will have to qualify like
every other team, EXCEPT THE 2ND PLACE FINISHERS AT THE WESTERN NATIONALS and
the other six or seven "Regional Nationals".
      How fair is it that the 2nd place team at the ASA Nationals should not
get a berth but the first and second place finishers at the Western Nationals
should get an automatic berth? These are teams that either could not or did not
want to qualify for the actual ASA national championships.  This should be
changed.
The last couple of years, there have been 96 spots available to the ASA
National tournament.  I don't believe any of the draws have been filled to
capacity.  Now they have increase the number to 120 but still don't have room
for the previous years 2nd place finisher.  Your thoughts.

Steve Langenfeld  

 
 
 

national berths given and taken away

Post by willrmp » Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:32:20

I would personally like to read what ASA highups told you when you brought
this to their attention.  Did they tell you why they did this, with specific
reasons?

Will


Quote:
>       I would like to make everyone aware of what I believe is a terrible
> injustice that has been perpetrated by ASA on at least two teams that I
know
> of.  I know of at least two teams that believed finishing 2nd at the ASA
> national tournament would assure them of a berth to next years national
> tournament.  In fact, during the awards ceremony following the final game,
the
> person awarding the trophies mentioned that both teams should be proud of
their
> accomplishments and would be able to automatically attend next years ASA
> national championship.  But
> in January there was no berth to be had.  Our team will have to qualify
like
> every other team, EXCEPT THE 2ND PLACE FINISHERS AT THE WESTERN NATIONALS
and
> the other six or seven "Regional Nationals".
>       How fair is it that the 2nd place team at the ASA Nationals should
not
> get a berth but the first and second place finishers at the Western
Nationals
> should get an automatic berth? These are teams that either could not or
did not
> want to qualify for the actual ASA national championships.  This should be
> changed.
> The last couple of years, there have been 96 spots available to the ASA
> National tournament.  I don't believe any of the draws have been filled to
> capacity.  Now they have increase the number to 120 but still don't have
room
> for the previous years 2nd place finisher.  Your thoughts.

> Steve Langenfeld


 
 
 

national berths given and taken away

Post by BBRP » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:20:37

Quote:
>I would personally like to read what ASA highups told you when you brought
>this to their attention.  Did they tell you why they did this, with specific
>reasons?

According to the ASA Code, the runner-up from the previous year's ASA National
Finals does not receive an automatic berth.  They did not "do this," this is
the rule, as unfair as it may be.

 
 
 

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Post by Harr » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:48:06

I suggest you keep pushing ASA.  The 2000 14U ASA runner-ups were
Invasion and appealed to ASA the next year under some kind of hardship
condition or something and were given a berth to 16U ASA Nationals
without actually qualifying.  Cite this example when you talk to them.
Quote:

>       I would like to make everyone aware of what I believe is a terrible
> injustice that has been perpetrated by ASA on at least two teams that I know
> of.  I know of at least two teams that believed finishing 2nd at the ASA
> national tournament would assure them of a berth to next years national
> tournament.  In fact, during the awards ceremony following the final game, the
> person awarding the trophies mentioned that both teams should be proud of their
> accomplishments and would be able to automatically attend next years ASA
> national championship.  But
> in January there was no berth to be had.  Our team will have to qualify like
> every other team, EXCEPT THE 2ND PLACE FINISHERS AT THE WESTERN NATIONALS and
> the other six or seven "Regional Nationals".
>       How fair is it that the 2nd place team at the ASA Nationals should not
> get a berth but the first and second place finishers at the Western Nationals
> should get an automatic berth? These are teams that either could not or did not
> want to qualify for the actual ASA national championships.  This should be
> changed.
> The last couple of years, there have been 96 spots available to the ASA
> National tournament.  I don't believe any of the draws have been filled to
> capacity.  Now they have increase the number to 120 but still don't have room
> for the previous years 2nd place finisher.  Your thoughts.

> Steve Langenfeld  

 
 
 

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Post by TracSt » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:08:00

Quote:

>I suggest you keep pushing ASA.  The 2000 14U ASA runner-ups were
>Invasion and appealed to ASA the next year under some kind of hardship
>condition or something and were given a berth to 16U ASA Nationals
>without actually qualifying.  Cite this example when you talk to them.

Harry, Thanks for the suggestion it will come in handy when dealing with ASA.
I believe that the ASA code for determining who is awarded automatic berths
needs to be looked at from the standpoint of what is fair, especially with 120
spots available in the nationals draw.
      I believed that the officials at nationals (there were ASA officials
present) during the awards ceremony looked at the code book and saw that 2nd
place received an automatic berth to nationals for the following year, when
they told the girls they would be playing in next years nationals.  The problem
is they probably did not see that the code was referring to 2nd place from the
Eastern, Southern, Northern and Western Nationals.  ASA, in order to boost team
attendance at the Regional Nationals (infer-money), wrote into the code that
first and second place teams would receive automatic berths to the following
years nationals but did not address the National Championship 2nd place teams.
This is truly unfair with so many berths available and not being used, they
should make an allowance this year and award all national 2nd place teams
automatic berths.  It only seems fair especially after the girls were told that
they had qualified.  

Thanks Will and Harry,
Steve Langenfeld  

 
 
 

national berths given and taken away

Post by Fastpitch » Sun, 03 Mar 2002 17:22:25

i've got a great idea for asa. since it doesn't appear they want the very best
teams, and
seem to want to limit the california teams
in particular, why don't they invite 30 teams
each from delaware,maine,rhode island,
and new jersey
that would make for a nice rec tournament!
 
 
 

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Post by cya.. » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:41:41

Looks like that way to me too.  Maybe California really does need to break
away...
Sharon
Quote:

> i've got a great idea for asa. since it doesn't appear they want the very best
> teams, and
> seem to want to limit the california teams
> in particular, why don't they invite 30 teams
> each from delaware,maine,rhode island,
> and new jersey
> that would make for a nice rec tournament!

 
 
 

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Post by Reid1bo » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 03:20:00

Quote:
>Looks like that way to me too.  Maybe California really does need to break
>away...
>Sharon

I know in california the NSA is considered inferior, but in reality, the
sanctioning body is only as good as the teams playing in the tournaments. Right
now NSA is making HUGE strides in closing the gap on ASA. At least in my area,
NSA is way more responsive to my problems/questions.
Instead of me feeling like im bothering our local asa JO commisioner(who never
cals back anyway), the nsa guys step up to the plate and get back to me
IMMEDIATELY.
Online registration made things much easier.. Just from one coaches
perspective, ASA better wake up and try a little harder or I think many teams
will start moving over to nsa.
 
 
 

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Post by Bill Smi » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 03:35:07

Corey,

If you are having problems with your Metro committee people, go directly to
John Miller and Robert Ornelas.  I have found them both responsive and
tremendously helpful when I am confronted with one of those "how can that be?"
situations.

And... you could always give me a holler, I have read, reread, re-reread, the
code and rule book more times than I want to think.

;-)

Bill Smith
Tennis Professional USPTA, USRSA

 
 
 

national berths given and taken away

Post by Mike Ro » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 04:12:47

Quote:

>i've got a great idea for asa. since it doesn't appear they want the very
>best
>teams, and
>seem to want to limit the california teams
>in particular, why don't they invite 30 teams
>each from delaware,maine,rhode island,
>and new jersey
>that would make for a nice rec tournament!

No there's an assinine statement if I've ever seen one.

You have no idea what "fair" is.  If everything was really "fair", every team
would have to qualify via State/Metros, then Regionals and then NCs.

Berths would be pro rated based on the number of registrations in the Region.
No ANQs or CNQs or automatic berths from the previous year.  No multiple-game
guarantee, just straight double-elmination all the way through.  The same teams
would dominate and the states listed above may get a total of 2 or 3 teams in,
but only if they qualified in their Region and that means Maine & New Jersey
would have a slight edge among the three.

That is "fair" to me, but then again, our agendas are not the same.

Mine would be to find a National Champion, yours is to get playing time.

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Reid1bo » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 05:44:36

Bill,

The stuff I have needed is simple. I had insurance questions, registration
questions and have left several messages with asa people(mostly 1 person) and
it takes weeks before I get a response.

I mailed off our insurance and registration stuff over a week ago. I am curious
how long I will wait before i get anything back this time.

In addition, the jo commisioners are supposed to be repsonsible for teams in a
certain location, no reason why i should have to contact Robert Ornelas, to
answer such simple questions, or get me some standard forms.

All im saying, is that so far, the nsa people are all over any needs I may
have, and are very friendly in the process. This is not the same response I
have gotten lately from ASA.

Corey

 
 
 

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Post by cya.. » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 05:53:08

 Sounds to me like the Emperor's New Clothes.
Sharon
Quote:

> >i've got a great idea for asa. since it doesn't appear they want the very
> >best
> >teams, and
> >seem to want to limit the california teams
> >in particular, why don't they invite 30 teams
> >each from delaware,maine,rhode island,
> >and new jersey
> >that would make for a nice rec tournament!

> No there's an assinine statement if I've ever seen one.

> You have no idea what "fair" is.  If everything was really "fair", every team
> would have to qualify via State/Metros, then Regionals and then NCs.

> Berths would be pro rated based on the number of registrations in the Region.
> No ANQs or CNQs or automatic berths from the previous year.  No multiple-game
> guarantee, just straight double-elmination all the way through.  The same teams
> would dominate and the states listed above may get a total of 2 or 3 teams in,
> but only if they qualified in their Region and that means Maine & New Jersey
> would have a slight edge among the three.

> That is "fair" to me, but then again, our agendas are not the same.

> Mine would be to find a National Champion, yours is to get playing time.

> Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Bill Smi » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 06:18:40

Corey,

It is not that I don't have issues about ASA either, but if the guys at the top
don't hear about your and mine grumblings, they won't be aware that the "ship
is sinking".

In regards to sending in rosters, I know that the NorCal ASA was trying to
figure out whether they were going to issue a new type of ID card.  More
elaborate than what was issued last year.  That might delay that part of the
process.

Bill

Bill Smith
Tennis Professional USPTA, USRSA

 
 
 

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Post by Reid1bo » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:23:52

Quote:
>In regards to sending in rosters, I know that the NorCal ASA was trying to
>figure out whether they were going to issue a new type of ID card.  More
>elaborate than what was issued last year.  

You mean you had cards issued last year????????

Corey

 
 
 

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Post by Bill Smi » Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:49:04

Quote:
>>>You mean you had cards issued last year????????<<<

Yeah?  Guess you didn't?  Last two years.

For those reading this post that haven't got their registration forms, I think
most of what you would need is here:

http://www.nor-calstate-asa.org/2002%20INDIVIDUAL%20REGISTRATION%20FO...

http://www.nor-calstate-asa.org/team%20renewal%202002%20insurance%20m...

Bill Smith
Tennis Professional USPTA, USRSA