Greek National Team

Greek National Team

Post by mya » Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:46:29


The best way I know that we can show the IOC that softball is here to
stay is to show our support for the Greek National Team, a team which
is being put together so that the host of the 2004 Olympics will not
have to forfeit the spot to another country.

If we are going to maintain softball in the Olympics it is imperative
that every host country has an Olympic Softball team.    All eyes will
be on Team Greece, not because they will be the best team at the
Olympics but because this team represents our love for softball.  It
is a team that is being put together in a country that did not know
what softball was 3 years ago.  If we are successful in promoting the
sport of Softball in Greece, there is no reason why we cannot do the
same in any other country hosting the Olympics.

Sure, right now most of the players will be from the U.S. but in a few
years, once the softball program gets off the ground, local athletes
will make up the majority of the Greek National Team.

So, lets all show our support for the Greek National Team.   Cheer
them on as if they were from the United States. Lets show them that we
support their efforts to promote the game of softball in Greece.

 
 
 

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Post by mya » Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:55:05

Does anyone know anything about the players on the Greek National Team?

 
 
 

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Post by John Shimku » Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:52:23

Most of them are players from the US with parents that immigrated from
Greece.  There will be 12 US born players and 3 from Greece.  At least that
is what I heard.  There will be a US born coach for the team.  Can't
remember her name right now.  It should be fun to watch.  The Italian team
is much the same way.  Most of the players are from the US.


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> Does anyone know anything about the players on the Greek National Team?


 
 
 

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Post by J S Ragm » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 01:20:57

Most are second or third rate former or current college players that
have probably never even been to Greece.  They are Americans
representing a country were most of it's citizens despise Americans.
As an American, I would only want to represent my country in the
Olympics, regardless of my ancestry.

If countries have to import players from the U.S. to represent their
them, that doesn't say much for the international appeal of softball.
I hate to say it, but maybe softball shouldn't be in the Olympics.

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> Does anyone know anything about the players on the Greek National Team?

 
 
 

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Post by Ray » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 05:00:21

I know Ginny Georgantas.  She played for South Florida.  I think her
batting average was around .360 or so.  She is a tremendous player and
a great person.  She could play on the US Olympic Team (and, yes, I've seen
the Olympic team play, and I've watched California softball), although I doubt
she would have made the team.

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Post by Don Minar » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 05:54:46

Ragman, whoever you are I question whether you have ever been in Greece. I
spent some time in Greece two years ago and the people were friendly, honest
and outgoing funloving people. I also know quite a few of the players on the
Greek National team and they are not 3rd rate. Will they beat the USA team
or the Japanese team? Probably not but they will be competitive with some of
the other National teams. I quess the kind of
Americans that are despised in Greece are the mean spirited type like
yourself.
Don

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> The best way I know that we can show the IOC that softball is here to
> stay is to show our support for the Greek National Team, a team which
> is being put together so that the host of the 2004 Olympics will not
> have to forfeit the spot to another country.

> If we are going to maintain softball in the Olympics it is imperative
> that every host country has an Olympic Softball team.    All eyes will
> be on Team Greece, not because they will be the best team at the
> Olympics but because this team represents our love for softball.  It
> is a team that is being put together in a country that did not know
> what softball was 3 years ago.  If we are successful in promoting the
> sport of Softball in Greece, there is no reason why we cannot do the
> same in any other country hosting the Olympics.

> Sure, right now most of the players will be from the U.S. but in a few
> years, once the softball program gets off the ground, local athletes
> will make up the majority of the Greek National Team.

> So, lets all show our support for the Greek National Team.   Cheer
> them on as if they were from the United States. Lets show them that we
> support their efforts to promote the game of softball in Greece.

 
 
 

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Post by fuj » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:57:47


Quote:
> Most are second or third rate former or current college players that
> have probably never even been to Greece.  They are Americans
> representing a country were most of it's citizens despise Americans.
> As an American, I would only want to represent my country in the
> Olympics, regardless of my ancestry.

> If countries have to import players from the U.S. to represent their
> them, that doesn't say much for the international appeal of softball.
> I hate to say it, but maybe softball shouldn't be in the Olympics.


> > Does anyone know anything about the players on the Greek National Team?

That may well be true, but don't knock the players who are just doing
their part. Had my family any Greek *** to where my daughter could
take advantage of such an opportunity, you can better believe she
would have tried. As it is, the Japanese say they don't need any help
:), and we all know the state of the US team. There are plenty of
countries that do have teams, so I am not quite sure of the point.
Your first comment is an unnecessary opinion that many do not share,
and doesn't warrant a response.

Maybe softball should not be in the Olympics. Maybe then ASA would get
back to the business of ALL of the players in their organization, and
most importantly, the J.O. program, which is the driving force. JMO.
Fuj

 
 
 

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Post by DC8312 » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:11:20

It would be wishful thinking to believe that a predominately American softball
team representing Greece in the Olympics will get softball established there.
I seriously doubt softball fields will be popping up all over the country.  
 
 
 

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Post by John Shimku » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:26:53

Ray,

You'll have to ask Ed how it feels to have two former players play on
Olympic teams.  He's always spoken very highly of Ginny.


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> I know Ginny Georgantas.  She played for South Florida.  I think her
> batting average was around .360 or so.  She is a tremendous player and
> a great person.  She could play on the US Olympic Team (and, yes, I've
seen
> the Olympic team play, and I've watched California softball), although I
doubt
> she would have made the team.

> --

> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

 
 
 

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Post by EchoAn » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:46:42

Quote:
>She could play on the US Olympic Team

Hundreds, thousands of girls could play on the U.S. Olympic team.  For position
players, there isn't much that separates Olympic players from the rest.

~Echo

 
 
 

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Post by mya » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:47:46

There is one Canadian on the team.   It looks like she is/was a member
of the Canadian National Softball Team.  It is quite unusual that a
player would make the National team for two different countries!
 
 
 

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Post by crimestoppe » Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:15:28

Guess you got your ragman handle from wearing a white sheet and attending
those Klan meetings, Ragman.

I would not worry about being invited to the olympics..... with your
ancestry....

They don't let dogs participate with real athletes.



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> Most are second or third rate former or current college players that
> have probably never even been to Greece.  They are Americans
> representing a country were most of it's citizens despise Americans.
> As an American, I would only want to represent my country in the
> Olympics, regardless of my ancestry.

> If countries have to import players from the U.S. to represent their
> them, that doesn't say much for the international appeal of softball.
> I hate to say it, but maybe softball shouldn't be in the Olympics.




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> > Does anyone know anything about the players on the Greek National Team?

 
 
 

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Post by Ray » Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:15:19

Ginny is an exceptional hitter and fielder.  She is probably as good
a hitter and fielder as anyone on the U.S. team.   She may not have the
speed that the US team was looking for.

Ginny is actually the third of Ed's players to go to the Olympics.  He
had one girl from the mid 1980s win a gold medal for women's basketball.
(I believe Ed puts her as one of the best athletes he coached.)

Ray

 
 
 

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Post by J S Ragm » Sun, 08 Sep 2002 06:05:16

Was it the "Greeks don't like Americans" thing that makes me a racist?
 Or, was it the "I wouldn't represent another country other than my
own in the Olympics" thing that makes me a racist?  Or both?

Yes, I've been to Greece a couple of times and found that most people
there don't like Americans for various political or religious reasons.
 For that matter most Europeans don't like America or Americans.  I
invite you to read the polls on European's political views towards
Americans and the United States.  Or, look no further than today's
newspaper and the lack of support President Bush is getting from are
"allies" on the Iraq invasion issue.

If I question why an American would want represent another country and
compete against America in the Olympics, then I guess that makes me
racist?  Don't get the logic, but okay.  I see it as a patriotic
issue, not a racial issue at all.  If you don't have the brain power
to understand the point, it's much easier to play the race card than
present a well conceived rebuttal.

Sorry if the PC crowd got offended.      

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> Guess you got your ragman handle from wearing a white sheet and attending
> those Klan meetings, Ragman.

> I would not worry about being invited to the olympics..... with your
> ancestry....

> They don't let dogs participate with real athletes.



> > Most are second or third rate former or current college players that
> > have probably never even been to Greece.  They are Americans
> > representing a country were most of it's citizens despise Americans.
> > As an American, I would only want to represent my country in the
> > Olympics, regardless of my ancestry.

> > If countries have to import players from the U.S. to represent them,

    that doesn't say much for the international appeal of softball.

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> > I hate to say it, but maybe softball shouldn't be in the Olympics.



> > > Does anyone know anything about the players on the Greek National Team?

 
 
 

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Post by Jessica Kin » Sun, 08 Sep 2002 09:42:40

 You know I'm quite sure that there are rules about WHO can play for their
team. In fact they all had to have grandparents born there, if I'm not
mistaken, maybe even parents...America involves itself in many other aspects
of other counties development, not to say that Greece isn't developed, but
So what if they don't have their own players, that just means that we now
have TWO teams to root for...they are still American, you can't blame them
for taking advantage of their opportunities. If they did well, the sport may
grow, it may not...but many other countries enjoy the sport. Besides who
sponsors most of the events? Which country contributes to much of the TV
profits? The US...Coca-cola, Nike, all of the other American based sponsors.
America has spread through the world...in too many ways to try and exclude
this one. Softball should be in the Olympics..that's how these things get
known. Besides it will stay because it is a woman's sport and even women who
don't play will protest.



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> Most are second or third rate former or current college players that
> have probably never even been to Greece.  They are Americans
> representing a country were most of it's citizens despise Americans.
> As an American, I would only want to represent my country in the
> Olympics, regardless of my ancestry.

> If countries have to import players from the U.S. to represent their
> them, that doesn't say much for the international appeal of softball.
> I hate to say it, but maybe softball shouldn't be in the Olympics.




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> > Does anyone know anything about the players on the Greek National Team?