Gold division & California dominance

Gold division & California dominance

Post by Gary D Poba » Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:00:00


I am associated with the Oregon Fillies, an 18U team from Eugene
Oregon.  We recently attended the nationals at Eden Prarie, where we
had the good fortune to finish 5th.  I am not one of those who are
saying the gap is closed between So Cal and the rest of the nation.  I
have no doubt we would have finished out of the top 10 at the Gold
nationals.

That being said, I would now like to say that I think the Gold division
is the best thing to happen to softball in quite awhile.  Since I am
not from So Cal, I know my opinion doesn't count (Vince), but here
goes:

In the NBA and the NFL they have a salary cap imposed in order to level
the playing field.  

In college, they have recruiting rules in order to at least attempt to
bring civility to the process.  Read Wes Goodin's posts from Eden
Prarie on the recruiting of his players.  Recruiting rules - that's got
to scare the Gold teams!

In high school (and college) they have divisions based on size.  Again,
this is done to level the playing field and keep big schools from
beating up on small ones.  Sound familiar?

In Little League baseball, when Taiwan kept winning so many
championships, the rules where changed to ensure an American team
appears in the finals.  Anytime one team wins year after year, you can
be sure the organization will respond with changes designed to level
the playing field.

In boxing and wrestling there are weight classifications designed to
ensure fair competition.

In woman's fastpitch, there are divisons.  In Oregon we have a B
division for rec teams, so big teams don't beat up on them.

All through sports there are cases of attempts to level the playing
field.  Gold teams:  What makes you think you are above all this?  When
will YOU get tired of the Panthers and Batbusters winning year after
year?

I have been listening to your postings this past year and believe you
have some valid complaints.  The point system does seem to be silly -
but I urge you to work within the ASA system to make the necessary
changes.  All changes take time to work.  It took several years for the
current situation to get out of whack - and it is out of whack.  

I believe coaches need a lot more input into all phases of ASA, from
organizational rules to on-the-field rules. Leaving ASA is not the
answer - you will still play only each other - or NFA will get tired of
the same few winners every year and again make the necessary changes.

Police yourself, or someone will do it for you.

 
 
 

Gold division & California dominance

Post by wdgoodi » Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> I am associated with the Oregon Fillies, an 18U team from Eugene
> Oregon.  We recently attended the nationals at Eden Prarie, where we
> had the good fortune to finish 5th.  I am not one of those who are
> saying the gap is closed between So Cal and the rest of the nation.  I
> have no doubt we would have finished out of the top 10 at the Gold
> nationals.

> That being said, I would now like to say that I think the Gold division
> is the best thing to happen to softball in quite awhile.  Since I am
> not from So Cal, I know my opinion doesn't count (Vince), but here
> goes:

> In the NBA and the NFL they have a salary cap imposed in order to level
> the playing field.

> In college, they have recruiting rules in order to at least attempt to
> bring civility to the process.  Read Wes Goodin's posts from Eden
> Prarie on the recruiting of his players.  Recruiting rules - that's got
> to scare the Gold teams!

> In high school (and college) they have divisions based on size.  Again,
> this is done to level the playing field and keep big schools from
> beating up on small ones.  Sound familiar?

> In Little League baseball, when Taiwan kept winning so many
> championships, the rules where changed to ensure an American team
> appears in the finals.  Anytime one team wins year after year, you can
> be sure the organization will respond with changes designed to level
> the playing field.

> In boxing and wrestling there are weight classifications designed to
> ensure fair competition.

> In woman's fastpitch, there are divisons.  In Oregon we have a B
> division for rec teams, so big teams don't beat up on them.

> All through sports there are cases of attempts to level the playing
> field.  Gold teams:  What makes you think you are above all this?  When
> will YOU get tired of the Panthers and Batbusters winning year after
> year?

> I have been listening to your postings this past year and believe you
> have some valid complaints.  The point system does seem to be silly -
> but I urge you to work within the ASA system to make the necessary
> changes.  All changes take time to work.  It took several years for the
> current situation to get out of whack - and it is out of whack.

> I believe coaches need a lot more input into all phases of ASA, from
> organizational rules to on-the-field rules. Leaving ASA is not the
> answer - you will still play only each other - or NFA will get tired of
> the same few winners every year and again make the necessary changes.

> Police yourself, or someone will do it for you.

Gary makes some good points. But before I get started, I would like to
say that his (and Jim's) Fillies are a very good team. It is teams like
the Fillies that ASA should try and figure out how to make them WANT to
compete in the Gold Nationals. It is true that they do not have the
luxury of having 20 other Gold teams in their backyard, so that they do
not see, on a consistant basis, that high level of competition. So allow
them to play in the "A" qualifiers and then send the winner of the top
qualifier in each region to the Gold Nationals, and the runner-up to the
"A" (or have a one game play-off between # 2 & #3 for the "A" berth to
prevent teams from "throwing" the championship game because they did not
want to play Gold).

I believe this is the one factor preventing many teams from going Gold.
What can be done to improve upon it?

Wes Goodin

 
 
 

Gold division & California dominance

Post by Big blue » Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
D Pobanz) writes:
>That being said, I would now like to say that I think the Gold division
>is the best thing to happen to softball in quite awhile.  Since I am
>not from So Cal, I know my opinion doesn't count (Vince), but here
>goes:

>In college, they have recruiting rules in order to at least attempt to
>bring civility to the process.  

>In high school (and college) they have divisions based on size.  Again,
>this is done to level the playing field and keep big schools from
>beating up on small ones.  Sound familiar?

>In Little League baseball, when Taiwan kept winning so many
>championships, the rules where changed to ensure an American team
>appears in the finals.  Anytime one team wins year after year, you can
>be sure the organization will respond with changes designed to level
>the playing field.

>All through sports there are cases of attempts to level the playing
>field.  Gold teams:  What makes you think you are above all this?  When
>will YOU get tired of the Panthers and Batbusters winning year after
>year?

>I have been listening to your postings this past year and believe you
>have some valid complaints.  The point system does seem to be silly -
>but I urge you to work within the ASA system to make the necessary
>changes.  All changes take time to work.  It took several years for the
>current situation to get out of whack - and it is out of whack.  

>I believe coaches need a lot more input into all phases of ASA, from
>organizational rules to on-the-field rules. Leaving ASA is not the
>answer - you will still play only each other - or NFA will get tired of
>the same few winners every year and again make the necessary changes.

>Police yourself, or someone will do it for you.

EXCELLENT thinking Gary.  Crying, ***ing, & threating to "take my ball &
go home" will accomplish NOTHING.  If you want change, do something
(besides being a whiner) to bring a change, but it must be done within
"the system".  Like it or not, that's the way it is.  Gary's closing
statement should give EVERYONE something the think about.....police
yourself, or someone will do it for you.

Since I'm a So. Cal. Native, does this mean MY opinion counts?  Just a
thought.

Carl - (So. Cal. native/sports official)

 
 
 

Gold division & California dominance

Post by Jim Cha » Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Here is a view from Ohio...
I know of ZERO gold teams in Ohio. Nor am I aware of any gold tournaments
within any reasonable travelling distance. It doesn't make any sense to
'REQUIRE' (ie Force those who don't want to) each district to send a GOLD
representative to gold nationals because 1. We have few if any GOLD tourneys
to get to gear up to that level of competition. 2. We would not be
competitive at the nationals at that level. 3. Why would any body want to
face an opponent who doesn't want nor deserve to be playing at that highest
of levels. (I know how useless it is to face roster teams thrown into local
tourneys)

I don't know all the problems with the current situation regarding Ca teams
and the ASA gold policies. I do think it gives an opportunity for more CA
kids to play at an ASA national tournament somewhere (16 year olds with 18
year old teams, 14s with 16s etc), and that has to be positive. If things
can't be worked out with the gold division, it seems to make more sense to
do away with that division altogether than to force teams who can't be
competitive there to play in it. It doesn't do the girls (or have we
forgotten about them) from ANYWHERE any good!!

Our team is only 16U right now, but we have been very successful over the
last few years and would expect to be one of the top teams in the state over
the 18U years. We hate the prospect, right now, of going to 16U ASA
nationals 3000 miles from home, possibly  going 0-2 and have a quick return
flight to Ohio. I guarantee that if that 'possibility' of going 0-2
downgrades to a 'probability' because of being forced to go gold, we would
tell ASA "SEE YA!"

Jim Chain
Sports Stop 16U