Seeking Div II/III Opinions

Seeking Div II/III Opinions

Post by AMcBa » Wed, 15 Mar 1995 07:24:24


The first Division II and III North American Cup has come and gone, and a
good time seems to have been had by many, if not most, of the
participants.

Now, we'd like to know if this should be done again next year. Those of
you who participated: please let us know what you liked, what you didn't
like, what needs to be improved, what should be added, what should be left
out...

Those of you who elected to stay home: what could we do differently to
entice you to come if we do this again?

So, let's hear from you - all suggestions will be compiled and relayed to
the Tournament Committee.

Thanks for your input.
Ann McBain Ezzell
USFA National Secretary (i.e., the elected kind, not the
work-in-the-office kind)

 
 
 

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Post by Solomand » Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:04:17

Div II/III NAC is a great idea.  As I mentioned to you previously, I would
have happily competed if my event was held on a weekend day.  My only two
thoughts are:
1. Split the tournament up so that all of the events can be fenced on
weekend days.
2. Hold regional tournaments (if the demand is there) in the Northeast,
Southeast, etc... so that more people might attend that can't (for
whatever reason) make a long airplane trip.
I am happy to see the chance for non-elite fencers to get in on a big
tournament.
By the way, would you be kind enough to post the results?
Regards,
Joel Solomon

 
 
 

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Post by Jeffrey Couse » Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:32:51

        Well, I would like to be among the first to congratulate all on a
tournament well done.  I thoroughly enjoyed the tournament.  I think that it
was a good idea and like the idea of a tournament for fencers and referees to
improve upon their skills.  
        The only comment that I have is about the registration process.  The
entry forms were sent out late and so many people did not find out about the
event until it was too late to enter.  In addition, the extended entry deadline
was poorly publicized.  This problem could be easily solved by sending out the
entry forms earlier and publicizing the event more.  In addition, placing the
registration table up by the bout committee table made it difficult to find.  
Placing it by the door (as it was on the first two mornings) made it easier to
find.  
        The only other complaint would be with the strips.  The strips in the
fieldhouse did not set up well on the astroturf and buckled as a result.  Now,
as a Northwestern University fencer, I would like to say that this is not
typical of a Northwestern tournament.  I hope that noone takes this weekend to
represent the typical setup here and that the USFA does not rule us out as a
possible host for future events.  Stop by this October at the Remenyik Open to
see a typical Northwestern tournament.  It is one of (if not the) best setup and
 run tournaments in the Midwest.  

        All in all, I had a great time and look forward to fencing in the Cup
again next year.  Congratulations to all-

Jeff

BTW, if this comes through a few times, I'm sorry, but I have been having some
problems with my newsreader and have had to cancel and repost a few times.  
--
Jeffrey L. Cousens

Northwestern University
  Murphy's Law is recursive.  Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work.  

 
 
 

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Post by (Sabre » Thu, 16 Mar 1995 04:58:22

        I loved the idea of a Div III tournament.  I went down to test for
a referee's license, but not to compete.  The main reason for that was that
the test was free, while the fencing wasn't.  I've recently graduated from
college, and am now pounding the pavement with my sheepskin in hand, and
quite frankly I don't have $130 ($55 each for foil and sabre, plus another
$20 to get my name painted on my leg) to spend just to get in the door,
plus meals and accomodations to stay down in Chicago for two nights (as Div
III sabre was on Fri. and Div III foil was on Sun, and I wasn't about to
try and drive out of that God-forsaken city on Friday afternoon after
having spent all day cooped up in a hot lame).  Maybe next year I'll not
only have that money, plus whatever it will cost me to fly out to wherever
it is being held (unless they have it at NW again).  But, I didn't this
year, and I haven't in the past either.
        But, other than being prohibitive in cost, my impressions were
overall favorable.  Tim Glass observed me for my class 5 foil ref's
license, and I would highly advise anyone planning on testing for a foil or
epee license to work with him.  The fencing was good, the tournament was
organized and run well, I got to actually see some of these assorted
important types that run things.  I'm really hoping that I will be able to
play along next year.

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Post by Mark C. Ort » Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:15:08


Quote:
> The first Division II and III North American Cup has come and gone, and a
> good time seems to have been had by many, if not most, of the
> participants.
> Now, we'd like to know if this should be done again next year.

Yes, please do.

Quote:
> Those of
> you who participated: please let us know what you liked, what you didn't
> like, what needs to be improved, what should be added, what should be left
> out...

OK, in no particular order...

Overall, I was happy with the organization of the tournament.  There
were a few delays here and there, but despite that, it finished at a
reasonable time all three days.

It would have been nice if there were more entries.

There needs to be more advance notice of the competition.  The short
time between the announcement and the competition gave the impression
of a hasty, ill-planned event, and may have discouraged some people
from entering.

The armourers, as usual, did a splendid job for not enough pay.

The number of referees seemed quite adequate.  The quality of
presiding showed considerable variation.  I am not going to complain
about having candidates taking the practical referees' exam; I think
this is the ideal event for that.  In some cases the candidates
appeared to be doing a better job than the FOC examiners.

A couple of people I talked to said they sensed a supercilious
attitude from some of the higher level officials.  I didn't notice
it myself.

From all accounts I've heard, the shuttle from the hotel to the venue
was insufficient for the number of people depending on it.

There were technical problems with the metal strips laid out on the
astroturf in the field house.  Such problems should be addressed when
considering the venue.

The level of fencing was exactly right:  it was high enough to give a
challenge to any fencer there, but not so high that we E-rated
nobodies didn't have a fighting chance.

I heard the suggestion that the Division III events should precede the
Division II events in the same weapon.  This suggestion was prompted
by a young man who placed in the top 4 in the Division II foil
(earning a bright, shiny new B rating), and said that as a result he
had no motivation at all to do well in the Division III foil the next
day.  An additional rationale is that this would put the Division II
events, which are likely to be better attended, on the weekend, so
fewer people would have to miss work/school to attend.

The thing I liked least about the weekend was getting up at 4:15 a.m.
on Monday morning to catch a plane.  But I don't expect the USFA to do
anything about that.

--
      Mark C. Orton
      USFA ***ia Division Secretary/Treasurer
      (The unpaid volunteer kind, not the rich kind.)

 
 
 

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Post by Jeffrey Couse » Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:31:00


Quote:
>From all accounts I've heard, the shuttle from the hotel to the venue
>was insufficient for the number of people depending on it.

I just remembered that one.  It seems to me as an Evanston resident that
it would have made much more sense to have used either the Omni or the
Holiday Inn in Evanston as the host hotel.  Whoever decided on Deerfield
made a mistake.  Everyone that I know that attended did not stay at the
Deerfield hotel because it was too far.  You could have walked to the venue
from the Evanston hotels in the time it takes to drive there from Deerfield.  
It would make sense to choose a hotel closer to the venue for the host hotel.  

Quote:
>There were technical problems with the metal strips laid out on the
>astroturf in the field house.  Such problems should be addressed when
>considering the venue.

Again, I feel it necessary to comment that this was not anticipated and
we have never had such problems with the strips in the past.  I had to
fence 4 DE bouts on them and so I realize how bad they were.  Please don't
hold the strips against us.  This is the first time that we have had such a
problem.  Usually, the strips hold up beautifully.  

Once again, a great tournament.  

Jeff
--
Jeffrey L. Cousens

Northwestern University
  Murphy's Law is recursive.  Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work.  

 
 
 

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Post by solom.. » Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:20:38

Quote:

> Now, we'd like to know if this should be done again next year. Those of
> you who participated: please let us know what you liked, what you didn't
> like, what needs to be improved, what should be added, what should be left
> out...

For the most part, I think this was a great tournament, and a wonderful
opportunity for non-elite fencers to get in a lot of bouting experience
at a nationally competitive level, (especially for women's sabre where
there are very few national events).  The tournament was run well, but
a couple of things could be improved upon:

1) The Registration Fee.  A lower fee would have allowed fencers to compete
in more events, especially in a three day tournament.  Many fencers that I
spoke to would have liked to compete in more than one or two events, but the
prohibitive fees made this impossible.  In addition, since the USFA was using
the event as a testing ground for new directors, I felt that we should not have
had to pay the same amount as a regular circuit where the fees go to pay for
nationally rated directors.

2)  The Sight.  The problem with the strips has been noted by many competitors.
The Kansas City circuit event had the same difficulty with wooden planks on
carpeted floors.  As this is not an isolated problem, the USFA should look into
it further.  In addition, in the sabre events, faulty sensors caused all sorts
of havoc in the sabre events.  Bouting was delayed, and many competitors lost
bouts because touches were not registering.  Once again, the USFA should look
into, either updating its supply of sensors, or, as was previously suggested,
getting rid of them, all together.

3)  The Hotel Accomodations.  Surely, a closer venue could have been found.
The hotel was a thirty to forty minute bus trip from the sight.  There were
no restaurants in easy walking distance, and public transportation was not
available, either.  In addition to forking out big bucks to fly out to Chicago,
pay the big registration fee, and hotel costs (not to mention the other
expenses inherently involved in the sport), competitors had to budget for
expensive meals at the hotel, or taxi fares, or rental cars.  This showed a
lack of sensitivity for the USFA membership.  A large number of competitors,
like myself, were college students or young fencers right out of college.
In planning for next year's event, I hope the organizers will be more
cognizant when choosing the venues.

Thank you for asking!

Sara Solomon

 
 
 

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Post by stude » Thu, 16 Mar 1995 22:43:16

I think the Div II and Div III are great ideas even if I was unable to
attend this year.  I would like to suggest in the future that they not be
held as one massive event and maybe have more than one each year.  I hope
to make the next set.
Stuart Johnson
 
 
 

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Post by AGGIE FENC » Tue, 21 Mar 1995 07:08:00

Quote:

>The first Division II and III North American Cup has come and gone, and a
>good time seems to have been had by many, if not most, of the
>participants.

[snip]

Quote:
>Those of you who elected to stay home: what could we do differently to
>entice you to come if we do this again?

Only reason I stayed home was because it was too far away.  I realize that
everyone can't be pleased, but you asked!

Incidentally, a NAC of any size somewhere in the Southwest would be appreciated
by legions of fencers!

David Sierra
Aggie Fencer

 
 
 

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Post by Jest » Thu, 23 Mar 1995 06:18:43

I had a wonderful time at DIV II/III and hope to see more of that kind of
tournament!

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