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Foil>target

Post by Daniel Enrigh » Tue, 18 Apr 1995 04:00:00


Hey,
   What do y'all think should the bib be part of the foil target?

   Anyone know what the fencing club at the Royal Military College is
like?

                                 Daniel

God Speed RETALIATOR!!! Only You Can Save Us!!!

 
 
 

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Post by David Glass » Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>   What do y'all think should the bib be part of the foil target?
>                                 Daniel

Larger bibs are safer but cover more target, especially on petite fencers.  I
think it is a predictable and reasonable step to include the lower part of the
bib as target.  I've seen pictures of the new masks.  They have lame' material
sewn on the bib below the line of the chin.  It is helpful that requirement
dates to purchase such new masks were pushed a bit into the future so that
fencers of more moderate means (most of us) can get more use out of current
equipment.

David Glasser  
fencing master %DFB:BLZ/LLZ Bonn  NFF:BSI/BF/NSKS Bergen

Department of Kinesiology, University of Wisconsin -- Madison

 
 
 

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Post by Morgan Bur » Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:00:00

|>    What do y'all think should the bib be part of the foil target?

I'm not looking forward to the days when my mask will fail due to
poor conductivity on the bib.

-- Morgan Burke


 
 
 

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Post by Mark C. Ort » Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

> |>    What do y'all think should the bib be part of the foil target?
> I'm not looking forward to the days when my mask will fail due to
> poor conductivity on the bib.

Of course, those days are already here for sabre.

In principle, I think the idea of the bib (or at least the lower
portion) being target is reasonable.  It used to be, before electric
foil was invented.

I'm very leery of the technical aspects, though.  How do you guarantee
a good electrical connection between the lame and the bib?  A cord
like in sabre?  Those things frequently end up covering target in
sabre; I think this problem would be worse in foil.

I also recall hearing that the bib might simply be covered by an
"overbib," sort of like the overglove in sabre.  But I have no idea
how this would be held on so it doesn't fall off.

I don't think the technology is quite there yet.

--
      Mark C. Orton
      employed by (but not speaking for)
      Pulse Communications, Inc.

 
 
 

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Post by CJarr » Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:
>>   What do y'all think should the bib be part of the foil target?<<

I'm kind of iffy on that one.  On the one hand, the collar is valid
target, so why shouldn't the thing covering the collar be valid target?
On the other, part of the charm of foil is the precision necessary to hit
a limited target area in the context of a fencing phrase, so increasing
the target area diminishes the charm somewhat (perhaps only by the
smallest of margins).  Still, the target area in foil is pretty
fundamental, and that part of the rules has been pretty much worked out
for a long, long time, and used in active competition with seemingly great
success.  Why change it now?  (A little voice in the back of my head says
"So they can sell more masks", but things along those lines are being
discussed in another thread).  Sometimes I think they just like to change
the rules because they can.  I'm also not sure I like the idea of making a
particularly sesitive area of the body valid target...  They get all
worked up about this 1600N stuff, then they go make your throat target!
Actually it doesn't bother me THAT much since, as an epeeist, it's target
for me anyway.

Chip Jarred


 
 
 

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Post by (Sabre » Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Quote:
>What do y'all think should the bib be part of the foil target?

        ***Oh, sure.  It's not like I use any of them things in my throat
anyway, or have absolutely nothing better to do with my money than to buy
_another_ mask (I already have a 3-weapon and an electric sabre mask).
Besides, what difference will adding six square inches of target make???

******************************************************************************
Eric L. Vogt (Sabreur)     "Imperfect plotting grows the seeds of time."

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Post by HaroldBu » Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Wouldn't a mximum bib size make more sense than making the bib target? It
already sucks when you get hit hard in the throat, and now people will be
aiming there (*and* they already aim at the crotch; see other thread).

-Harold Buck

The opinions expressed here are not
necessarily those of my employer. Since
I am self-employed, this means these
opinions are not necessarily my own.

 
 
 

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Post by Nate Straus » Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:00:00

Concerning the bib being valid target in foil in the near future, I
wouldn't be too worried. The deadline for the institution of the new
rule has already been pushed back once, to this coming October, simply
because manufacturers have not had sufficient time to develop the new
masks. Or so they say... Mike Aufrichtig, representative of Blade
Fencers Supply in most South American World Cups, says that various
manufacturers have actually agreed to delay development and manufacture
of these new masks, and that at least most companies do not plan on
making them available in the foreseeable future. In any case, the
deadline will have to be pushed back at least one more time, since there
is no way all FIE competitors will get their hands on new masks by
October. (And they will need at least a little time getting used to that
additional target area!)
 
 
 

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Post by Nic » Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:00:00



Quote:
>I'm very leery of the technical aspects, though.  How do you guarantee
>a good electrical connection between the lame and the bib?  A cord
>like in sabre?  Those things frequently end up covering target in
>sabre; I think this problem would be worse in foil.

you could run the wire through the mask at any point and bring it out the
back, connecting via alligator clip to the back of the lame.  In that case,
wire itself would be over off-target area and there would be no problems.

Quote:
>I also recall hearing that the bib might simply be covered by an
>"overbib," sort of like the overglove in sabre.  But I have no idea
>how this would be held on so it doesn't fall off.

One word--Velcro.  Or, one could tack in one with thread.  When it loses
conductivity, just rip the threads and buy a new patch.

--Nick Stengel
  The American University Fencing Club

 
 
 

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Post by Scott A Abfalt » Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:00:00

: Hey,
:    What do y'all think should the bib be part of the foil target?

:    Anyone know what the fencing club at the Royal Military College is
: like?

:                                  Daniel

: God Speed RETALIATOR!!! Only You Can Save Us!!!

  I would think so, particularly since bibs are getting larger as
  time goes on.

Scott

 
 
 

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Post by JRM Hai » Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:00:00


Quote:
> Hey,
>    What do y'all think should the bib be part of the foil target?

        If the bib is made target, then people will start aiming for it
(obviously!).  This could lead to hits on the (bare) back of the neck
since some people may well try ficking to the side of the bib.  I'm not
in favour of it myself.

TTFN

Joseph Haig.

 
 
 

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Post by Dean R Bir » Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:00:00


Quote:


>> |>    What do y'all think should the bib be part of the foil target?

>I'm very leery of the technical aspects, though.  How do you guarantee
>a good electrical connection between the lame and the bib?  A cord
>like in sabre?  Those things frequently end up covering target in
>sabre; I think this problem would be worse in foil.

From what I have heard, at least one supplier has developed a system where
the bib folds into a pocket on the lame.  The masks in question here are also
of the new see through variety.  As I understand it, the developer is
currently in europe pitching this stuff to the FIE.  Sorry I don't have
more details.  Anyway, this stuff may not be as far off as people think.

--


 
 
 

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Post by Sasha Zuck » Tue, 25 Apr 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

>         If the bib is made target, then people will start aiming for it
> (obviously!).  This could lead to hits on the (bare) back of the neck
> since some people may well try ficking to the side of the bib.  I'm not
> in favour of it myself.

I agree, it'll just add a new factor for injuries. On the other hand, I
don't think people will attack the bib when it will still be easier to hit
the body.

I'm not looking forward to the days when my mask lame doesn't pass and I
have to frantically buy a new one.

-sasha