FIE epee points

FIE epee points

Post by STFZ » Sat, 29 May 1993 02:07:32


Does anyone know how the new FIE epee points work?  I understand that
they are better made and easier to adjust so I just shelled out an
extra $12 on my $63 Allstar epee so I'd be prepared for nationals.

-Mer

 
 
 

FIE epee points

Post by Eric Howa » Sat, 29 May 1993 04:30:38


Quote:

> Does anyone know how the new FIE epee points work?  I understand that
> they are better made and easier to adjust so I just shelled out an
> extra $12 on my $63 Allstar epee so I'd be prepared for nationals.

> -Mer

In the Uhlmann Epee tip they have replaced the contact spring with a nut.
This nut sits in a square cup at the end of the wire in the barrel.  The
distance is adjusted by turning the tip in the barrel until it just makes
the shim test.  The early problems with the Tip were that the spring
holding this nut in contact would get too loose and you could not always
get contact on the hit.  This is suppose to have been fixed with the new
tips.  Contact Wolf Fink in Atlanta for more info.  He is the US Uhlmann
dealer and in your town.

Eric Howard                              

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FIE epee points

Post by Dick Ki » Sat, 29 May 1993 06:39:16

FIE epee tips require FIE epee wires.  One kind of FIE wire has a hexagonal
hole.

If you use that system, DO NOT SET THE WIRE INTO THE BARREL WITH AN EPEE POINT
SETTING TOOL.  Use a FOIL point setting tool, or the blunt end of a drill bit
that fits loosely inside the hexagonal hole.

The non-FIE epee point setting tool has a circular depression that is designed
to enclose the disk that contains the two contacts.  If you use it on the kind
of FIE tip that has a hexagonal hole, the depression encloses the end of the
cylinder that has the hexagonal hole, but it fits snugly.  When you pull the
point setting tool out, the contact block comes with it.

I saw a teammate setting his FIE epee contact block in the barrel using a foil
setting tool, not because he knew of this problem but because this is what he
had on hand.  I had had a problem in the past using a foil setting tool [it
applied uneven pressure to the contacts, so they ended up different distances
from the disk], so i suggested that he use the epee tool.  I was very
embarrased when his contact block came out tenaciously stuck in the tool.

-dk

 
 
 

FIE epee points

Post by Dick Ki » Sat, 29 May 1993 06:30:52

Quote:

>Does anyone know how the new FIE epee points work?  I understand that
>they are better made and easier to adjust so I just shelled out an
>extra $12 on my $63 Allstar epee so I'd be prepared for nationals.

>-Mer

FIE tips come in two flavors, German and Italian.

In one flavor of FIE point there is a spring buried inside the tip, and that
spring pushes on a threaded shaft.  There is a hexagonal [?]  metal piece that
screws onto that shaft.  The wire's contacts are at the bottom of a hexagonal
hole in the part of the wire that sits inside the barrel, so once you get the
lighting distance right and assemble the point it will stay adjusted since the
hexagonal metal piece cannot turn on the screw.  That's the theory, anyway.  

One flaw that i see in this design is that a contact spring can bend if the two
contacts are not exactly the same height, but i don't see any corresponding
slack in this kind of FIE system.

In the other flavor there is a spring-loaded post that cannot be adjusted.  It
can only be filed to shorten it, or have a dab of solder added to it to
lengthen it.  The post meets only one contact and the other half of the circuit
comes through the PRESSURE spring.  This one seems more appealing.

I think there's a flavor which can be adjusted by a tiny***in the center of
the tip.

You do not need FIE tips for United States Nationals.  I hereby offer the
following advice for stabilizing non-FIE epee points.

Ordinary epee points work by having a spring that screws/unscrews on a shaft.

Sometimes it screws or unscrews because the owner wants it to.

Sometimes it screws or unscrews because of the vibration inherent in fencing.
This happened to me once, and in the 1990 sectional qualifier i found myself
with the choice of either retuning my point between bouts or using my second
choice weapon.  I brought this on myself by putting too much spring on the
threaded post, but i was new to the Way of the Sword then.

Now i have a large number of tips with contact springs of differing length, and
i make my adjustment by choosing a tip which produces the right lighting
distance.  In my "epee tip library", i SuperGlue each contact spring to its
tip.  I have about fif*** tips, and when i need to build up a new blade i can
almost always find one that goes off with my 0.35mm shim and remains silent
with a 0.45mm shim.  I refuse to cut it any closer than that.  I use a guage
bought at an auto parts store; i have no official epee test gear.

-dk

 
 
 

FIE epee points

Post by Stan Yen - Sun BOS Hardware - Scan Gru » Sat, 29 May 1993 04:28:06

Quote:

>Does anyone know how the new FIE epee points work?  I understand that
>they are better made and easier to adjust so I just shelled out an
>extra $12 on my $63 Allstar epee so I'd be prepared for nationals.

>-Mer

Well, if you want an opinion, here's my $0.02...

FIE epee points suck.  Yes they are easier to adjust.  But I've found
that they stick and are intermitent.  Basically, the contact sits in
a small cup in the tip, unfortunately, the tip often gets mis-aligned
so it does always make the contact, and thus the weapon doesn't go off.
The linen/cotten insulation of the wires strips off too easily
(although there is also a plastic coating).  I also know people who have had
the metal post (inside the tip) break.  Not to mention that you're paying
3 times more than the regular french tips, and twice as much for the wires.

The only reason I got them in the first place was because they were
required for FIE competitions.  So I got them with my first set of
miraging blades.

I was overjoyed to hear rumours that these tips may not be required for
international competition in the future.  (Has anybody else heard anything
substantial about this?)

-Stan, getting-french-tips-for-nationals-thank-you-very-much

 
 
 

FIE epee points

Post by Destruct » Sat, 29 May 1993 19:14:12


|> >
|> >Does anyone know how the new FIE epee points work?  I understand that
|> >they are better made and easier to adjust so I just shelled out an
|> >extra $12 on my $63 Allstar epee so I'd be prepared for nationals.
|> >
|> >-Mer
|>
|>
|>
|> FIE tips come in two flavors, German and Italian.
|>
|> In one flavor of FIE point there is a spring buried inside the tip, and that
|> spring pushes on a threaded shaft.  There is a hexagonal [?]  metal piece that
|> screws onto that shaft.  The wire's contacts are at the bottom of a hexagonal
|> hole in the part of the wire that sits inside the barrel, so once you get the
|> lighting distance right and assemble the point it will stay adjusted since the
|> hexagonal metal piece cannot turn on the screw.  That's the theory, anyway.
|>
|> One flaw that i see in this design is that a contact spring can bend if the two
|> contacts are not exactly the same height, but i don't see any corresponding
|> slack in this kind of FIE system.
|>
|> In the other flavor there is a spring-loaded post that cannot be adjusted.  It
|> can only be filed to shorten it, or have a dab of solder added to it to
|> lengthen it.  The post meets only one contact and the other half of the circuit
|> comes through the PRESSURE spring.  This one seems more appealing.
|>
|> I think there's a flavor which can be adjusted by a tiny***in the center of
|> the tip.
|>

There is another kind of tips from Germany:
It's a high-precision work with no more justage needed. You also don't need
that tiny screws, that fell on the ground and be never seen again...

It works like the following:
In the ground part is a kind of barrel. Two contacts are in that barrel on
opposite sides on the same height. A kind of bolt makes the contact by moving
down between these contacts. Neither the bolt nor the contacts have to be
adjusted in the hole life of the tip. The spring is adjusted for 760gr. This
kind of tip has benn tested for about 250.000 hits and no adjustments were
necessary after that period!!!!!

As far as I know, this tips will be available by France Lames.

Alex
---
Alexander Karner

TU-Berlin, GERMANY