94-95 USFA Calendar?

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by John E Mas » Fri, 12 Aug 1994 05:38:12


        I got a newsletter from the USFA today. I was hoping that the
there would not be indeed only two NA cup meets, but appearantly it's
true.
        The USOC has declared that money will be given to US Olympic sports
in proportion to how many international medals they win. I was wondering
why they chose this method? It seems to me that the sports winning the
most medals aren't in any need of additional money from the USOC, while
the other sports, like fencing, which don't win as many medals are in
desperate need of additional funds. So it looks as if the USFA will
either have to win some medals or make do with less money.
        Now the USFA's reponse is most interesting. Last year there were
three NA cup meets now there will be two. It seems to me that if you want
your athletes to do better in the international arena, then you should
increase the the number of North American and national competitions not
decrease them.
        I am not a very good fencer myself, and this is why I am
disappointed by the turn of events. In practice, I do fairly
well, but things go bad for me in competitions. I was hoping to get in
more competitions to gain the much needed experience-it doesn't look like
that's going to happen!
        I am writing this to those who may be bold enough to organize
some Group I-A events around the country for fencers like myself. I
personally think that the USFA is making wrong and dangerous decisions on
this matter, but there is no reason why we as fencers must fellow them.
With increase competition in the North American Region and inside the US
itself, it seems to me, that this will increase the number of experience and
competitive fencers who could do well in the international arena.

If I am totally wrong, I apologize.
John E. Mason II

 
 
 

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by Mary Ellen Curti » Sat, 13 Aug 1994 11:22:31


Quote:

>    I got a newsletter from the USFA today. I was hoping that the
>there would not be indeed only two NA cup meets, but appearantly it's
>true.

As I read the newsletter, it looks as though there are three NAC Open
events:

   1. December 16-18 (all weapons)
   2. January 7-8 (MS, WS) and 13-16 (MF, ME, WF, WE)
   3. April 21-23 (MF, MS, WF) and 29-30 (ME, WE)

I'm not sure about this, however;  on the schedule in the newsletter the
first event is not printed in boldface like the other two, and it seems
odd to have two NAC events so close together.  Can anyone confirm or
refute this?

Dirk Goldgar

postal:    9 Titus Mill Rd., Pennington, NJ 08534,  USA

 
 
 

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by Rusty Bourla » Sat, 13 Aug 1994 11:16:00


Quote:

>         Now the USFA's reponse is most interesting. Last year there were
> three NA cup meets now there will be two. It seems to me that if you want
> your athletes to do better in the international arena, then you should
> increase the the number of North American and national competitions not
> decrease them.

My schedule for the 94-95 season indicates that there are in fact 3 NACs:
NAC#1 during December 16-18 (All Weapons), NAC#2 during January 7-8 (MS
WS) and January 13-16 (Foil and Epee), and NAC#3 during April 21-23 (MF,
WF, MS) and 29-30 (ME and WE).

I didn't see a third NAC for Women's Sabre, so they may have only 2.

--
Rusty Bourland

Lone Star Fencing Center
Dallas, Texas

 
 
 

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by John E Mas » Sun, 14 Aug 1994 09:14:05

I look at the schedule again. Your right.
I screwed up once more!
But, anyway, why is there only three cup meets?
Are there some rules, I don't know about, that limit the number?
You may want to call me crazy, but I personally wish we had about ten per
season.

John E. Mason II

 
 
 

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by D. McMenam » Mon, 15 Aug 1994 05:44:47

Does anyone know *where* the circuit events will be?

--
Dianna McMenamin              | There is more than meets the eye. There is

                              | -- Barbara Rubin Hudson

 
 
 

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by Stan Yen - Sun BOS Hardware - Scan Gru » Mon, 15 Aug 1994 00:57:03


Quote:
>I look at the schedule again. Your right.
>I screwed up once more!
>But, anyway, why is there only three cup meets?
>Are there some rules, I don't know about, that limit the number?
>You may want to call me crazy, but I personally wish we had about ten per
>season.

>John E. Mason II

I don't believe there are any rules about the number of NACs/year, in
fact, by my read of the schedule, there are 4 NACs for sabre.  I believe
that just a few years ago, there were regularly 4 NACs every season, plus
Nationals.  I'd imagine there are several reasons that there aren't
NAC's every other weekend.

1.  These are point events, so if you are trying to move up in rank,
    you need to go to as many of these events as possible.  However
    it is difficult to both get the time off and the money to pay for
    travel for 5+ events every season.  In fact, I think there were
    complaints although, I admittedly am not up on my "controversies
    of the USFA" having gotten into the competitive levels only recently.

2.  Related to 1, since these are National events, you want the strongest
    field of competitors possible to get a good representation of the
    nation's "best and brightest."  If you have many events, people will
    undoubtedly not attend some of them, thereby weakening the pool.

3.  Probably most importantly, you've got to get somebody to host the
    tournament.  Running one is no easy task, if we just look at this
    past year's "Tournament of the Americas" held in San Francisco.
    Granted, it was a lot larger than your "typical" event, but there
    is always a great deal of planning required, regardless.

Just some possibilities.  Ann Ezzell might be able to give you better
answers.  Or maybe she'll tell us that there are two more events that
weren't mentioned.

John, if you're really big on getting as much National competition
as possible, and assuming that you could afford to travel to such
events (I'm trying and I'm pretty sure I *can't* afford it), you
might consider heading up to Canada for their "elite" tournaments
or saving up and flying out to Europe and doing the 'B' cups.

Although the discussion of the difficulties with regard to registering,
travelling out to, and finding when and where (and if) the tournaments
are being held will be left for another day...

-Stan,

"what do you mean, 'he says that the WE B-cup was cancelled *2*months*ago*?!'"

 
 
 

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by Susan Mullhau » Wed, 17 Aug 1994 03:17:45


Quote:
>    Now the USFA's reponse is most interesting. Last year there were
>three NA cup meets now there will be two. It seems to me that if you want
>your athletes to do better in the international arena, then you should
>increase the the number of North American and national competitions not
>decrease them.

This doesn't necessarily follow. It might be a better use of the money
to put more American fencers overseas to compete, if winning international
medals is the short term goal.

I am more concerned about the long term health of American fencing which
is not really in the hands of the organizing bodies. I'm pretty sure it isn't
much related to international competitive success either. We have to get
a higher fraction of intelligent athletically  active young people interested
and this means making fencing fun at the low levels.

The recent performance of the US World Cup Soccer team shows that you have
to attract a lot of interest, and then perhaps have your athletes go
out and learn the game where the best people play it. Hosting a lot of
competitions at high level makes sense after some years of building at
the lower levels.

Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt

 
 
 

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by A9020.. » Wed, 17 Aug 1994 18:39:13



[stuff deleted]

Quote:
>or saving up and flying out to Europe and doing the 'B' cups.

>Although the discussion of the difficulties with regard to registering,
>travelling out to, and finding when and where (and if) the tournaments
>are being held will be left for another day...

If anyone has any questions on which European B cups are held where and when
I could probably provide the answers. The English, the German and the French
calenders have just been published.
Next week, I probably have some time, and might excert myself and post all
calenders...

anton

 
 
 

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by Stan Yen - Sun BOS Hardware - Scan Gru » Fri, 19 Aug 1994 00:45:40

Quote:



>[stuff deleted]
>>or saving up and flying out to Europe and doing the 'B' cups.

>>Although the discussion of the difficulties with regard to registering,
>>travelling out to, and finding when and where (and if) the tournaments
>>are being held will be left for another day...

>If anyone has any questions on which European B cups are held where and when
>I could probably provide the answers. The English, the German and the French
>calenders have just been published.
>Next week, I probably have some time, and might excert myself and post all
>calenders...

>anton

I think that would be a great service to us all.  Please post!
(I know some folks here in Boston who are also very interested in
getting the Jr World Cup schedule, however, as Ann Ezzell mentions,
that stuff should probably get mailed out to the current point holders)

Actually, what I'm referred to above is not just getting the schedules,
which, true enough, should only be as difficult as it is to call up the
National office and ask for one.  Personally, I haven't the slightest
idea how we ended up with a copy.

It's another day, but I've tried to write a summary without being
caustic.  without success.  So let's just say, we found a ME/WE tournament
to go to.  Talked someone else (WE) into meeting us there.  Registered for
it through our organizations foreign secretary.  Got there and found out
that the the WE tournament had been cancelled some 2 months before.

Actually, posting schedule updates (when they occur) would be even better.

-Stan, (can't afford to go this year anyway...)

 
 
 

94-95 USFA Calendar?

Post by John E Mas » Fri, 19 Aug 1994 06:01:46


: >  Now the USFA's reponse is most interesting. Last year there were
: >three NA cup meets now there will be two. It seems to me that if you want
: >your athletes to do better in the international arena, then you should
: >increase the the number of North American and national competitions not
: >decrease them.

: This doesn't necessarily follow. It might be a better use of the money
: to put more American fencers overseas to compete, if winning international
: medals is the short term goal.

You're right, but the danger being that this is only a short term goal.
After our international fencers decide to retire, the people replacing
them will not be as experience. They will have to start at ground zero,
placing 130th to 90th in competitions of about 150 international fencers,
and it will take a number of years before they can get in the top 50 or 20.

: I am more concerned about the long term health of American fencing which
: is not really in the hands of the organizing bodies. I'm pretty sure it isn't
: much related to international competitive success either. We have to get
: a higher fraction of intelligent athletically  active young people interested
: and this means making fencing fun at the low levels.

I agree totally here as well, but how does one get people interested in
fencing. It's up to the teacher to get them through the basics, but after
that-what's there to keep them interested. In most other sports, there is
a good number of competitions (specially regional). I use to be in soccer
before I picked up a foil, and the one thing that kept me interested in
soccer throughout my childhood was the fact that there were 10 to 15
competitions for me and my team to go to every season. And these
games, were not always easy. We had a number of teams in my region that
constantly beat us every year, and it may seem strange but it was that
type of rival and competition that me interested in soccer. It was the
challenge of competing that keeps people interested-and makes them better
athletes.
        In fencing, there needs to be more divisional, sectional, and
especially national competitions. For those new fencers, the divisonal
level will pose a challenge. For the average fencer, the sectional. ect.
ect.
        You seem to think there are two groups of fencers, low-level and
high-level, but on the contrary, there are fencers in the middle, who
can't seriously compete international and don't get a challenge by fencing
Group IV and III events. They and in fact the whole fencing community
needs more competitions.

John E. Mason II

Beavis and Butt-head Fencing :)

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Beavis: What's a disengage, Butt-head.
Butt-head: Uh,huh,Uh...I don't know...it suppose to be pretty cool.
Beavis: Why don't you go ask the Master. Huh...
Butt-head: Huh, ha, huh... you said master..huh..huh.