Sabre or Saber?

Sabre or Saber?

Post by daniel b » Mon, 12 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Does anyone know the correct spelling for sabre?

Also, how do you correctly, call one that fences Sabre, Epee, or Foil

Not a great speller!

Thanks in Advance

 
 
 

Sabre or Saber?

Post by L dale Walt » Mon, 12 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Sabre.  Just ask my dog.  His name is Sabre, and he will bite you if you
spell it wrong.

Remember, 100+Lb Alaskan Malamutes always have right of way...

L. Dale Walter

 
 
 

Sabre or Saber?

Post by Remi » Mon, 12 Feb 1996 04:00:00

     Webster's prefers "saber."  You can use either, because they do.  But
I hope you don't wind up like I did, once winning the biggest (up till
then, anyway) epee tournament of my life, and getting a two-foot tall
trophy which said, "First Place -- Men's Eppe" on it.  And the other five
were all spelled correctly!

     I call somebody who fences all three weapons very, very tired at the
end of the Nationals.  

     Oh, you wanted a serious answer!  My division has an "Iron Man"
tournament (it's a very old-fashioned division!).  It also has a
"Tri-Weapon Club,"  but I don't know if there is a specific word for
someone who fences all three.

 
 
 

Sabre or Saber?

Post by Chris and Elisabeth Zak » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Does anyone know the correct spelling for sabre?
>Also, how do you correctly, call one that fences Sabre, Epee, or Foil
>Not a great speller!
>Thanks in Advance

Both are correct. When Daniel Webster was writing his dictionary, he
arbitrarily decided that certain foreign words that had been added to
the English language would be spelled the way they sounded, at least
in America. That is why the English spell things like metre and colour
the way they do, while Americans spell them meter and color.
Saber/sabre falls in that category as well.

        -Chris Zakes

C and E Zakes
Tivar Moondragon (Patience and Persistence)
and Aethelyan of Moondragon (Decadence is its own reward)

 
 
 

Sabre or Saber?

Post by Colin J Fe » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Does anyone know the correct spelling for sabre?

>Also, how do you correctly, call one that fences Sabre, Epee, or Foil

>Not a great speller!

>Thanks in Advance

Aren't you lucky I work in a Library.

A quick check in the complete (yes the 20+ volume one) dictionary shows
that the correct ENGLISH spelling is SABRE, however SABER is mentioned
as as alternate spelling with U.S. as its derivation.  The spelling SABRE
is a direct derivation from the French spelling ie SABRE.  The Germans of
course spell it S?BEL and the Poles SABR.  Note the inflections.

For me it is Sabre - a consequence of being educated in Australia.  

One who practices at fencing with a sabre is called a SABRUER.

At pe (again not the inflections) one is an pist and at Foil one is
Foilist.  

Incidentilly, there seems to be (according to the Oxford D.) some
confusion as to the derivation of the term FOIL when applied to the so
named sword.  Firstly it is thought to be from "a swrod with its point
_foiled_ or blunted", however, most other definitions of foil refer to
sharpness of detail and to things being slight or thin.  The second
source seems to relate to the act of parrying.  It is said that the
incoming attack is foiled by taking the parry and  hence the derivation
if the name.

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Sabre or Saber?

Post by Bryan J. Malon » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> At pe (again not the inflections) one is an pist and at Foil one is
> Foilist.  

Or "fleurist".

Quote:
> Incidentilly, there seems to be (according to the Oxford D.) some
> confusion as to the derivation of the term FOIL when applied to the so
> named sword.  Firstly it is thought to be from "a swrod with its point
> _foiled_ or blunted", however, most other definitions of foil refer to
> sharpness of detail and to things being slight or thin.  The second
> source seems to relate to the act of parrying.  It is said that the
> incoming attack is foiled by taking the parry and  hence the derivation
> if the name.

In "Shakespeare's England" (ca 1600 or so), swords with blunt ends were
called "foils", because the end had been "foiled".  If it were related to
the act of parrying, then all rapiers would have been called "foils" at
that period.
 
 
 

Sabre or Saber?

Post by Paul Hummersto » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Its sabre if you spell it in the English manner or saber if you
are American.  Remember Winston Churchill's quote "Two great
nations divided by a common language".

Paul

 
 
 

Sabre or Saber?

Post by CJarr » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Does anyone know the correct spelling for sabre?

>Also, how do you correctly, call one that fences Sabre, Epee, or Foil

>Not a great speller!

I'm nut a grate spiller eether :-)  Seriously, I think that the difference
between spelling "sabre" or "saber" is rather like whether it's "grey" or
"gray", "color" or "colour" - it's a matter of region and preference.  I
tend to spell it "sabre" - in fact, my fingers spell it like that
automatically on the keyboard - I have to think to reverse the r and the e
- but then I also spell "grey" with an e (weirdly enough I spell "color"
without the u, but spell "armour" with it.  Go figure).  Probably "sabre"
is British English, and "saber" is American English, but since I'm
American, I'm not sure that sufficiently explains it.

Sabre fencers are, in my mind, "sabreurs", which is easier to concede if
you spell sabre the way I do.  For epee and foil, which are actually the
weapons I fence, I call the fencers "epeeists" and "foilists" respectively
(and respectfully, if they're any good).  Many fencers call sabre fencers
"saberists".  Many more just avoid the issue altogether and call them
"sabre fencers, foil fencers and epee fencers" accordingly, and they,
though not very colorful in their use of language, are, of course, never
wrong :-)

Chip Jarred


 
 
 

Sabre or Saber?

Post by Robert BLA » Mon, 11 Mar 1996 04:00:00

I liked Chip Jarred's perception & approach as to what to call whom!  

As to the 'correct' spelling, my observation  of what is practiced has
been that 'sabre'  is used most by fencers to refer to that weapon in
European style fencing.   'Saber' is used re cavalry, saws & tigers.

Webster's shows both as correct, w/'saber'  listed first for the noun
and verb forms (theoretically preferred spelling, but who's a
theorist?).  In the noun definition, 1. is cavalry saber, and 2. is
light dueling sword..

'saber rattling', however, is spelled as shown, implying that 'saber'
would be correct for the cavalry weapon.  What's neat about this is
that we can as we d- well please; I guess that's what fencers like.

BTW, saw a tag line on a private e-masil system the other day --
  "Sabreurs = Missing Link"
Guess they just don't get any respect.

                                ROBERT BLACK
                                Salle Santelli

PS - See the just out issue of American Fencing for some comments by
ome important sabre fencers re trhe passing of Chaba Elthes, who was
given an important boost in his start in America by Georgio Santelli,
who had passed via Hungary to America, thanks to the Italian black
shirts and what threy portended for his father, Italo.