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by **Marc Wal** » Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:00:00

MORI INVITATIONAL - MIXED FOIL
12 NOVEMBER 1995

Group II
45 Fencers, 8 pools 80% up (36)
Direct Elimination 64
Repechage at 16
Start: 10:30am Finish: 5:00pm

A T H O S

The Fencing Software...

_______________ TABLEAU _______________

Final HS

1 R.POMARES Univ of SF 15
2 B.HERRERA Halberstadt 12

Third place HS

3 K.CHILTON Mori 15
4 A.MONSEFI Mori 12

Round of 8 Seed

5 J.DOURAGHY Mori 01
6 R.VARGA Gascon 09
7 C.BELLO Univ of SF 10
8 R.CARRILLO Gascon 14

Tableau D Seed

9 R.REUX Mori 04
10 B.PENA Couturier 06
11 M.WALCH Mori 07
12 T.LUTTON Palestra 12

Tableau C Seed

13 L.HORTON Mori 13
14 D.BJONERUD Halberstadt 15
15 C.MARCHANT Couturier 16
16 M.TIFFANY Valley sword 30

Round of 16 Seed

17 J.DIORIO Mori 03
18 S.THOMPSON Gascon 17
19 S.GERBERMAN Mori 18
20 G.*** Gascon 19
21 R.WALKER Gascon 20
22 R.PARIS Laverne 21
23 J.FREEDKIN Saufen 22
24 J.FRAGALA Valley sword 23
25 J.STEINER Couturier 24
26 E.THOTTAM Mori 25
27 R.STREITZ Couturier 26
28 L.HOPKINS Swordplay 27
29 K.LIEU Unattached 28
30 L.NEWCOMB Mori 29
31 B.RICHARD Couturier 31
32 D.NICHOLS Gascon 32

Round of 32 Seed

33 M.PIATKOWSKI Lanciers 33
34 S.SILVA Swashbuckler 34
35 T.BUCHINSKY Vampire 35
36 C.MCMILLAN Mori 36

_________ ROUND OF POOLS __________

Round 1 V/M S-R HR

37 A.KUKENAS Lanciers 0,20 -12 23
38 T.MELTON Univ of SF 0,20 -13 24
39 G.ERNETA Unatttached 0,20 -14 24
40 L.RODRIGUEZ Lanciers 0,00 -08 20
41 D.FLORES Tucson FC 0,00 -12 20
42 P.CHERY Swordplay 0,00 -14 25
43 J.JOSEPH Swashbuckler 0,00 -15 25
T S.HOBSON UC Irvine 0,00 -15 25
45 R.MAGUGLIA Swashbuckler 0,00 -20 25

by **OhmarJon** » Fri, 01 Dec 1995 04:00:00

I am considering either EMU or MSU (in Michigan) for college next
year, and want to continue fencing. I haven't been able to collect a
whole lot of info elsewhere, so I was wondering if anyone here had any
opinions about fencing at either school. I vaguely know that MSU has a
good program and EMU is so-so.

Thanks in advance.

Joe T.

by **Some G** » Thu, 07 Dec 1995 04:00:00

I'm a collegiate fencer at Boston College, but I'm from Michigan. I have
a couple of friends who fence for MSU, and I understand they don't have a
women's varsity team. I wouldn't trust any school that can't carry women
as well as men. As for EMU, they have been a respceted team in their
league for a while, and have been known to go far in the past. That
doesn't say whether they are going far right now, and I would guess they
have an easier league than MSU. That's about all I can tell you. If you
want a power fencing team, try Wayne State, if you can get on the team.

Wish I could tell yoiu more.

Dave K.

questions you figure I can answer.

by **Kevin Joel Hai** » Sun, 10 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>I'm a collegiate fencer at Boston College, but I'm from Michigan. I have
>a couple of friends who fence for MSU, and I understand they don't have a
>women's varsity team. I wouldn't trust any school that can't carry women
>as well as men.

Funny, until last year my school had a womens' varsity but no
mens' -go figure. Now we have both.

Kevin Haidl
UBC

by **L dale Walt** » Mon, 11 Dec 1995 04:00:00

MSU doesn't have a women's Varsity, but if they make it Coach Freigheit
will let them fence with the men.

MSU has had a women's club team now and again, depending on interest
level.

L. Dale Walter
MSU Sabre
'83-87

by **L dale Walt** » Tue, 12 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>I'm a collegiate fencer at Boston College, but I'm from Michigan. I
have
>a couple of friends who fence for MSU, and I understand they don't have
a
>women's varsity team. I wouldn't trust any school that can't carry
women
>as well as men. As for EMU, they have been a respceted team in their
>league for a while, and have been known to go far in the past. That
>doesn't say whether they are going far right now, and I would guess
they
>have an easier league than MSU. That's about all I can tell you. If
you
>want a power fencing team, try Wayne State, if you can get on the team.

EMU does not even have a fencing program at this time. They had a club,
headed by Jim Vesper in the early and mid 80's, but that is long gone.

MSU has a funded Varsity team, complete with a REAL coach, team equipment,
trainers, fencing facility, and all other Varsity perks. The reason
MSU doesn't have a Women's Varsity is that there seems to be very little
interest from the women in Fencing, and it is hard to lobby for something
when you can't field a team.

L. Dale Walter

BTW: What friends of yours are at MSU?

by **L dale Walt** » Wed, 13 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>Actually, as I understand it, the reason MSU cut their women's varsity
>fencing program had more to do with NCAA rules regarding equal number of
>mens and womens sports. A travesty...

>-Charlie

I have been associated with MSU and the Fencing program since 1983, and,
unless I really missed something, there has never been a VARSITY fencing
program, sanctioned by MSU for women. From 1985-89 Emily Stonehouse
fenced as the women's team, but it was not Varsity (even though she often
traveled with the team). In the late 80's and early 90's there were a
few fencers off an on (Kelly, who's last name I am drawing a blank on,
most notably) and a full squad in 1993, but even that was a on-off affair.

It may be possible that the reason a Womens Varsity team was never formed
was due to this NCAA rule, but I can assure you one was not disbanded
because of it.

L. Dale Walter

by **Donn Muell** » Wed, 13 Dec 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Actually, as I understand it, the reason MSU cut their women's varsity
>>fencing program had more to do with NCAA rules regarding equal number of
>>mens and womens sports. A travesty...

>>-Charlie

>It may be possible that the reason a Womens Varsity team was never formed
>was due to this NCAA rule, but I can assure you one was not disbanded
>because of it.
>L. Dale Walter

It would be unusual, although still disappointing, if this were the case. The
NCAA rule regarding equality of men's and women's sports (Title IX, I think)
has typically been having the reverse effect. Since most schools have a
limited athletic budget (At least for non-revenue teams :-)) they usually have
to cut or eliminate men's programs to comply rather than adding additional
support for women.

Donn Mueller

by **Charles Michael Swe** » Wed, 13 Dec 1995 04:00:00

<<snip>>

Quote:

>MSU has a funded Varsity team, complete with a REAL coach, team equipment,
> trainers, fencing facility, and all other Varsity perks. The reason
>MSU doesn't have a Women's Varsity is that there seems to be very little
>interest from the women in Fencing, and it is hard to lobby for something
>when you can't field a team.

>L. Dale Walter

>BTW: What friends of yours are at MSU?

Actually, as I understand it, the reason MSU cut their women's varsity
fencing program had more to do with NCAA rules regarding equal number of
mens and womens sports. A travesty...

-Charlie

by **Ward** » Wed, 27 Dec 1995 04:00:00

If MSU is Michigan State University, they women were not a Varsity team
while I was there (1976-1980). There were a club, and funded their own
travel and equipment.

Ward Best

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