Clear visor mask worked great!

Clear visor mask worked great!

Post by David O'Dani » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:09:22


Just to report back, that the mask worked great! The apparently steel
mesh is heavier than what I had though the other masks were that I had
borrowed before, maybe they were finer/thinner. Anyway, the stiff but
basically chainmail fully allows air flow as if not even wearing a mask
(air/breathing wise). The portion that is the clear plastic didn't fog
up at all in 92-95 heat bouting for 2 or 3 minutes in the bright sun.
Again, the ventilation of the mesh probably would have helped avoid
fogging from any material anyway but I do think that the actual material
of the plastic was quite fogging resistent by itself even so.

Just bamboo (probably rattan) waisters & not full force blows and I'm
not even sure if I got hit ever directly on the clear plastic so it was
not yet tested against a hard blow to see if it shatters. Still, better
than fencing with no mask at all & at least I can see out of it (even if
I still couldn't block anything).

As only my 2nd loose-play bout ever, I did a bit better, getting maybe
more equal number of touches in but still mostly based on sheer
aggression rather than any strategic blocking & countering or other
technical skill of mine. Maybe someday I'll be able to fence beyond a
berserker aggressive attack as both defense & attack. ;-) Great fun
though of course!

Bo

 
 
 

Clear visor mask worked great!

Post by Zebee Johnston » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:49:11

In rec.sport.fencing on Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:09:22 -0500

Quote:

> As only my 2nd loose-play bout ever, I did a bit better, getting maybe
> more equal number of touches in but still mostly based on sheer
> aggression rather than any strategic blocking & countering or other
> technical skill of mine. Maybe someday I'll be able to fence beyond a
> berserker aggressive attack as both defense & attack. ;-) Great fun
> though of course!

Great!  Good that it worked.

Now you need to work on your style :)

Rather hard to do alone, as you need to practice seeing an incoming
attack and deflecting or avoiding it.

If you can find someone willing to be a fencing dummy then ask someone
who knows what they are doing to teach you some basic attacks, paying
a lot of attention to form.  Then you go home and show someone else.

(As you won't get it right when you show them unless you get a lot of
supervised practice, pay a *lot* of attention to the ideal form so
that what you show your friend is reasonably close to the right thing)

Then get them to do the simple attacks while you practice the proper
response.  TO learn the proper response I suggest you invest in a good
book.   Ask around for the right ones for the style you want to do.
Guy Windsor writes some good how-to books that might work for you.

Yeah, you can be what the old swordmasters called a "furious fighter"
and you'll do OK with people who aren't very good.  The good ones will
hand you your carcase neatly butchered into bite size pieces....

So the sooner you learn to move your body and weapon properly the more
fun you will have.  

Zebee

 
 
 

Clear visor mask worked great!

Post by David O'Dani » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:10:56

<Zebee wrote>: "TO learn the proper response I suggest you invest in a
good book. ? Ask around for the right ones for the style you want to
do. Guy Windsor writes some good how-to books that might work for you."

I've got books on Highland Broadsword; just a matter of getting them
read & then getting around to reviewing them to glean the actual
material from to then apply to training. I've mainly been through Chris
Thompson's book Lannaireachd, Gaelic Swordsmanship, twice fully & a bit
more just skipping around (as the core system of the Cateran Society).
Still 1/2 through Highland Broadsword compiled by Paul Wagner & I think
Louis P (can't recall but close enough to Pasture to mess up my
remembering of it. and apparently the actual book is even temporarily
misplaced at this time), that is mostly the writings & accounts of
McBane & Hope at least. I had finally gotten to the chapters on Hope
when I had gotten busy with other things. There is some good strategic
advice amongst the colorful stories but I'd have to go back through it
all again; assuming that I ever get back to it to even finish it the
first time. Text is too small for 1 thing. I've other similar books that
I've not really even cracked yet.

I Also have other fields to read in; Jogo Do Pau (completed a 1st
reading & awaiting time to go through it again while training it),
German Longsword books (also paused at the moment midway through) and
general books such as a 3" or more thick Master of Defense by Paul
Wagner also, on George Silver (that I had started reading but barely
made a dent in before moving on to other things for now). So basically,
the Lannaireachd Gaelic Swordsmanship book is the closest most likely
manual that I'll actually get around to completing first. If I get
around to anything else later, it will probably be in future years
rather than weeks or months. Slow reader and too many irons in the fire,
as it were. ;-)

Bo

 
 
 

Clear visor mask worked great!

Post by Zebee Johnston » Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:03:50

In rec.sport.fencing on Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:10:56 -0500

Quote:

> made a dent in before moving on to other things for now). So basically,
> the Lannaireachd Gaelic Swordsmanship book is the closest most likely
> manual that I'll actually get around to completing first. If I get
> around to anything else later, it will probably be in future years
> rather than weeks or months. Slow reader and too many irons in the fire,
> as it were. ;-)

Honestly?   Pick one.

Yes, there is only one fence, but when starting you need to get good
at one way of doing things before you can see how it all fits together
and before you can pull things out from various styles.

Find a book that is good at "how to" and work all the way through it.
Don't just read, do.  

Work *** form and action, read for understanding: *why* do they
say move that way?  What happens if you don't?  Look in a mirror, if
you hold your arms differently are you exposing target?

It takes many years of work to get good at this stuff.  Which doesn't
sound much like fun, but is...  If you approach it properly.

Zebee

 
 
 

Clear visor mask worked great!

Post by David O'Dani » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:49:18

Yes, for now currently planning to keep working on the Lannaireachd
Gaelic Swordsmanship, that is mainly based on the Angelo 10 Lessons.
Basics of Guards/blocks, 7 cuts, 3 supposed thrusts (the only part of
the system NOT well defined) and the Manual (rather a set of the basics,
cut & block countering that respective previous cut).

The  3 Thrusts were once seamed to be maybe just high, middle & low but
then were said to be based on hand position that the thrust was launched
from. I "think" though that then this was re-defined or re-interpreted
so that I'm currently unsure of the 3 thrusts as done in the Cateran
system. The instructor of Highland Broadsword was not able to make it to
this-year's WMA seminar to get directly shown & corrected on the 3
thrusts.

I HAD been doing the from*** guard (thumb turned in & down, hand
position, from above in a*** guard of course), inside guard &
outside guard positions (thumb 45 up & to inside and 45 up & to
the outside, tip pointing at the respective side to the eye of the
imagined opponent's face, as starting point to launch a thrust. Then
from those 3 starting positions, doing thrusts to high, middle & low.
However, this was corrected last time or rather said that I had it
incorrect but I never had yet figured out what the alternative "correct"
way is; & thus currently no longer train the thrusts as I formerly did.

"Never take something away (say it is wrong) without putting something
back" (showing the right/correct way). But maybe I can get the right way
next year. Generally the answer was that thrusts are not all that
important in the Regimental Highland Broadsword system anyways so don't
worry about it. More a cutting-intensive system.

There ARE videos of the system BTW, on the Broadsword League &
interlinked with the Cateran Society websites & youtube BUT being on
Webtv, I can't view youtube videos. Only .mpg type videos. If anyone can
find them & locate the 3 thrusts used & figure them out, please let me
know what they seem like to you, thanks. No urgent need though, as I've
still lots to work on anyways. And again, I assume that I can try again
to ask about them next seminar in 09.

Bo

 
 
 

Clear visor mask worked great!

Post by Zebee Johnston » Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:50:45

In rec.sport.fencing on Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:49:18 -0500

Quote:

> There ARE videos of the system BTW, on the Broadsword League &
> interlinked with the Cateran Society websites & youtube BUT being on
> Webtv, I can't view youtube videos. Only .mpg type videos. If anyone can
> find them & locate the 3 thrusts used & figure them out, please let me
> know what they seem like to you, thanks. No urgent need though, as I've
> still lots to work on anyways. And again, I assume that I can try again
> to ask about them next seminar in 09.

Well if you post the URLs I can convert from youtube into mpg.

Zebee

 
 
 

Clear visor mask worked great!

Post by Zebee Johnston » Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:16:19

In rec.sport.fencing on Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:52:04 -0500

Quote:

> If you can convert anything relevant to mpgs it would be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks in advance and have a great 4th of July!

If you want me to do it, give me some URLs.

Zebee

 
 
 

Clear visor mask worked great!

Post by David O'Dani » Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:23:08

Here is the video page of the cateran society site:
http://www.cateransociety.com/videos.html

IF I was able to copy the whole URL, this should be the first video,
footwork:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k86t3X9Iw50  Though I suspect
it may have gotten cut off. At least a test to see if I could copy a
youtube URL.

Bo

 
 
 

Clear visor mask worked great!

Post by David O'Dani » Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:33:55

Seems the links work fine.

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY ALL!

Bo