As for numbers, there are practically none here in Ireland (Altho'
there is one who has fierce arguments with the federation about her
entering competitions)... there are hardly any who want to take up
the weapon tho', coz it's not too popular anyway.
>As for numbers, there are practically none here in Ireland (Altho'
>there is one who has fierce arguments with the federation about her
>entering competitions)... there are hardly any who want to take up
>the weapon tho', coz it's not too popular anyway.
admittedly in Australia barely any women train sabre, they just fence it at the
competitions, and the ones who fence it usually aren't the best fencers
>Interestingly, fencing in Canada got the most media attention it
>has received in years because of women's sabre. A blind (yes,
>as in "visually impaired") woman from Winnipeg wanted to fence
>sabre at the Militia Open tournament in Saskatchewan (one of the
>larger western events). Tournament organizers were a little leery
>of this idea and the CFF refused to sanction her participation.
>There was a piece in the Globe and Mail about it and quite a bit
>of local media coverage. Quels thrills!
> I'm not sure I understand how she intended to compete, but she
>was dead serious about it. I know the guy who was training her and
>he seemed pretty level-headed about things, so if he thought she
>was capable of competing perhaps she was. IN any case, they
>never showed at the tournament. Word is there is a lawsuit in the
>works, but that was in fall and I haven't heard anything since
I would guess that some 30 percent, or more, of the readership of
this group could be classified as having some sort of Blindness
or Visual Impairment, without the use of optical appliances and
I believe that Maestro Santelli resumed fencing and instruction
after he lost one eye in a training accident.
There used to be a sabre in my old club's equipment locker known
as the Kling Sabre. We used to bring this out to show to
beginners as to why one should wear one's protective equipment
(after telling them about Santelli, of course).
Kling was a sabreur with one eye, and no depth perception. He
tended to move into what he thought was correct distance and
straighten his arm. Unfortunately, he was frequently too close,
and his bell guard would contact his opponent's mask (and one one
occasion, with a particularly tall opponent, his cup).
David Kassover "Proper technique helps protect you against
RPI BSEE '77 MSCSE '81 sharp weapons and dull judges."
>I would have to say it would depend on the nature of the
>impairment. "Visually Impaired" and "Legally Blind" do not imply
>no sight whatsoever. (If you all want some hairy details, and
>are willing to wait for them, I could consult with my
>sister-in-law, who is "visually impaired", and specializes in the
>education of visually and aurally handicapped people)
>I would guess that some 30 percent, or more, of the readership of
>this group could be classified as having some sort of Blindness
>or Visual Impairment, without the use of optical appliances and
Her name is Dominique Genest, and she fences out of Manitoba.
She claimed to fence using sound and the feel of the opponent's blade,
but I've also heard from other sources that she required advice from the
sidelines about where her opponent was and where she was on the strip.
The CFF felt that she posed a hazard, possibly to her opponents, and
certainly to spectators, presumably because the prospect of a (broken) sword
in the hands of an out-of-control fencer is bad enough when the fencers can
see. Last I heard, Ms. Genest was appealing to the Manitoba Human Rights
|> I would have to say it would depend on the nature of the
|> impairment. "Visually Impaired" and "Legally Blind" do not imply
|> no sight whatsoever.
I'm afraid Ms. Genest is quite thoroughly blind. If memory serves, she
lost her sight to diabetes three or four years ago.
-- Morgan Burke
To me that says that they were not in control. This is not good sabre fencing.
|admittedly in Australia barely any women train sabre, they just fence it at the
|competitions, and the ones who fence it usually aren't the best fencers
The several female sabre fencers I have fenced (in Iowa; hi Sarah) have been
easily as good as the male sabre fencers, of their relative fencing experience.
Certainly easily as good as me. There is nothing genetic about it. Given the
training and desire, there is NO reason a woman can't be competative in sabre.
They do have to be given the chance. There are still too many trainers and
officials out there that refuse to give that chance, though.
Dave Svoboda, Palatine, IL
Maybe I didn't say it clearly enough.
There is no reason whatsoever that a woman cannot be a VERY competative sabre
(or any other weapon) fencer. Women are not light, dainty little things unless
they choose to be, and some particular women I can think of have all the
strength, stamina, and speed that a similarly trained male would have. (And they
can still be very attractive ladies, thank you very much). As far as footwork,
physiologically women are even *stronger* in the lower body, proportionally,
than men. That is not a problem.
Yes, there are physically smaller and weaker women out there. But small is not
a disadvantage, and remember, there are weak men out there, too.
I contend that if you have fenced less-than-greatly-skilled women, it is not
because of their gender, but because of their lack of training, fitness, etc,
and lack of opportunity. That goes for epee and foil, too.
10. women's sabre