Fencing Movie

Fencing Movie

Post by Yong Ch » Sun, 04 Sep 1994 12:42:42


Does anybody know what happened to the movie that was suppose to be out
about 3 or 4 years ago.
I think it was called "By the Sword" with Eric Roberts and F Murray Abraham.

Maybe it was really bad; even worse than Side-Out, the volleyball movie.

--
[SNIFF, SNIFF]  Iocaine!  I'd bet my life on it!


 
 
 

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Post by Oberta Ann Slotterbe » Mon, 05 Sep 1994 00:46:22

: Does anybody know what happened to the movie that was suppose to be out
: about 3 or 4 years ago.
: I think it was called "By the Sword" with Eric Roberts and F Murray Abraham.

: Maybe it was really bad; even worse than Side-Out, the volleyball movie.
        It's out in video as I rented it. Good show.

 
 
 

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Post by DollarW » Mon, 05 Sep 1994 02:21:06


Quote:
Chon) writes:

The movie came out and went to video heaven almost immediately. It should
be widely available at video rental stores.

Yes, it was a terrible movie and unless you are or have been a fencer
you'd find it an incredible bore.

However, it does present realistic fencing moves as practiced in salles.

The thing I really hated, though, was Eric Roberts' en guard stance. Here
he is, supposedly a world champion and master of champions and he has the
most awkward, like a typical beginner, en guard position. Couldn't the
fencing consultants to the production tell him how to stand? In the
credits at the end of the movie, they list the fencing coaches to the
actors and they are truly experienced masters and past champions
themselves.

 
 
 

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Post by Glenn G Samson 246-58 » Mon, 05 Sep 1994 06:39:04

Check your local video outlet. It was released on video awhile back. I
haven't seen it yet but I've heard conflicting reports...

                        ...Glenn

** There's a big difference between "Mostly Dead" and "All Dead" **

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Muenz » Tue, 06 Sep 1994 04:32:06



: : Does anybody know what happened to the movie that was suppose to be out
: : about 3 or 4 years ago.
: : I think it was called "By the Sword" with Eric Roberts and F Murray Abraham.

: : Maybe it was really bad; even worse than Side-Out, the volleyball movie.
:       It's out in video as I rented it. Good show.

You like it.  I thought it was really bad.  Their were alot of very weird things
in the movie.  Like his stance, and he had never lost a bout in EPEE!
--


Thanks

Chris Muenzer


 
 
 

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Post by Mary Ellen Curti » Tue, 06 Sep 1994 04:36:58

Quote:

>Does anybody know what happened to the movie that was suppose to be out
>about 3 or 4 years ago.
>I think it was called "By the Sword" with Eric Roberts and F Murray Abraham.

I saw it recently on videotape.  It wasn't a great movie, but it wasn't
so bad as some people have said.  One of the things I liked about it was
that it involves the _sport of fencing_ rather than _sword fighting_,
and it uses fencing as a backdrop and a metaphor, rather than as the
main event.  To a fencer, the factual errors about the sport --
doubtless introduced knowingly to simplify it and to set up the dramatic
conflict -- are irritating, but I can accept them in that spirit.  The
weakness of the movie was more due to the murky motivations of some of
the characters which, while intentionally ambiguous at the beginning,
are not sufficiently clarified at the end;  I found myself having to
think about it for a while afterward to get it all straight.

On the whole though, I thought the message of the movie was worthwhile
and the medium, fencing, was pleasing.  A good airplane movie.

Dirk Goldgar

postal:    9 Titus Mill Rd., Pennington, NJ 08534,  USA

 
 
 

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Post by AGGIE FENC » Tue, 06 Sep 1994 00:44:00

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Quote:
>: : I think it was called "By the Sword" with Eric Roberts and F Murray Abraham.

>You like it.  I thought it was really bad.  Their were alot of very weird things
>in the movie.  Like his stance, and he had never lost a bout in EPEE!

Well, if I remember correctly his stance had a REASON for it. a.k.a. it was an
old stance and he was an old fencer. . .

Adios,
Dave Sierra

 
 
 

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Post by Dimitri » Wed, 07 Sep 1994 01:43:02


Quote:
Chon) writes:

The movie "By the sword" is out I took it in my local video store, look
for it in yours.  The film was pretty good, at least I liked it.  The
whole story was centered around fencing as we know it today, and the
fencing itself for the most part was queit reallistic.

Dima.

 
 
 

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Post by David Goodnu » Wed, 07 Sep 1994 07:04:19


Quote:


>Chon) writes:

>The movie "By the sword" is out I took it in my local video store, look
>for it in yours.  The film was pretty good, at least I liked it.  The
>whole story was centered around fencing as we know it today, and the
>fencing itself for the most part was queit reallistic.

>Dima.

Uh, I have to disagree here.  The fencing was absolutely horrible.  The
advice given was also extremely stupid.  I've seen better quality legwork,
bladework, and bouting from 1st year students.
--

David Goodnuff

 
 
 

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Post by E Hauptm » Thu, 08 Sep 1994 05:16:06


Quote:
(Oberta Ann Slotterbeck) writes:

I rented it, and it was rather weak despite some very good actors and a
healthy budget. It's a movie only a fencer could love.
 
 
 

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Post by ThomC581 » Thu, 08 Sep 1994 05:19:05


To a fencer, the factual errors about the sport --
doubtless introduced knowingly to simplify it and to set up the dramatic
conflict -- are irritating, but I can accept them in that spirit.

I fence at Westside Fencing Center, where many of the props for "By the
Sword" were taken from.  Our maestros were consulted on a variety of
questions concerning the "intelligible translation of fencing to the big
screen."  

Notice that no foils were used; the camera is not fast enough to pick up
a foil blade.  Note that all epees used in the film (unless you look very
sharp) have french grips.  Eric Robert's en garde was specifically not
modern, but more reminiscent of a 17th-century style; this was to
strengthen his connection with "old-world" fencing.

These were all conscious decisions, and there are many others.  Face it;
our sport will likely never be a Monday Night television tradition, but if
we're going to present ourselves to the public, we need to keep things
simple.

________________________________________________________________
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Post by Yong Ch » Thu, 08 Sep 1994 06:41:38

Well, thanks for all your comments.  I still couldn't find the movie.  I
tried Blockbuster and Tower Video.  Maybe I'll check some smaller
places.  As for the movie being realistic?  I find it hard to believe
that Eric Robert's character is undefeated in Epee.  So whats his
record?  500,000,000 and 0 or is it 0 and 0.  Come on, even fencing
masters lose.  How else are they going to learn from there mistakes.  So
what's Robert's character's name?  God?  Did he wake up one day and
started to fence?
As for his stance, I can't believe no one corrected it during filming.  It
sure doesn't help his Epee undefeated thing.

Did he ever fleche in the movie?  I can't wait to see that.

How about F. Murray Abraham?  Did he look like a master or a master
(actually clueless) wanna be.

And wait, there's got to be a love interest with at least one love
scene.  All movies that go directly to video has them.

Maybe they should've cast some real fencing actors, like Cary Elwes (The
Princess Bride) or that Sabre champ in Metallica or even Adam Curry
(MTV): Did I miss some other significant actors?

Hmmm.  Maybe Side-out would have been better with perhaps Tom Selleck
(Honorary USA Capt.) instead of C. Tommy Howl (Thank God We dont have
to).  Or how about Michael Jordan instead of Peter Horton(I really play
like a fool but I'm getting paid for this).

--
[SNIFF, SNIFF]  Iocaine!  I'd bet my life on it!


 
 
 

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Post by MRussako » Fri, 09 Sep 1994 04:25:04


Quote:
Chon) writes:

    I saw the movie "By the Sword" and it STANK.  It only had one half
decent plot twist, and you could see that coming a mile away.  As for the
rest, there was no plot.  If you really want to see the movie,
"Blockbuster video" has it.

    Mark A.R.

 
 
 

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Post by Kerry Anders » Sun, 11 Sep 1994 03:58:40

I have not seen the movie "By the Sword" but the general feeling I get from the group is that it is poorly done with some bad, unbelievable fencing scenes by the principle actor.

When you think about it, there is no excuse for this given that finding a talented double would have been no problem assuming the fencers are masked during the fencing scenes.

Pity...

Kerry Anderson

 
 
 

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Post by David W. Ro » Mon, 12 Sep 1994 10:54:41

Quote:

>I have not seen the movie "By the Sword" but the general feeling I get from the group is that it is poorly done with some bad, unbelievable fencing scenes by the principle actor.

>When you think about it, there is no excuse for this given that finding a talented double would have been no problem assuming the fencers are masked during the fencing scenes.

>Pity...

That was one of the most unbelievable things about the movie- a master
who has supposedly won two golds in the Olympics and two National
Championships *constantly* fences with no mask.  Look real good in a movie,
but I doubt any of us are going to buy that.

I was hoping for a lot more from the movie, but I did agree with the
basic theme:  fencing's not about winning at any cost.  The bad guy's
protegee keeps attacking other fences with fleches and runs right into
them- yellow card, anyone?