Outdoor - Rules question about hands

Outdoor - Rules question about hands

Post by Marc Holmquis » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00


I know this is probably the most asked question for outdoor, but I didn't
see it posted...blah, blah...

Am I correct?  You can only take a ball overhanded (2 Man sand) if you are
setting the ball, or if it is hard driven to you.

Where can I find this rule?

---just a dumb old indoor player.
--Marc

 
 
 

Outdoor - Rules question about hands

Post by JSVB » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>I know this is probably the most asked question for outdoor, but I didn't
>see it posted...blah, blah...

>Am I correct?  You can only take a ball overhanded (2 Man sand) if you are
>setting the ball, or if it is hard driven to you.

>Where can I find this rule?

Todd is not going to agree with this, but the answer is YES, you are correct,
especially if you are playing under the JSVBA/Outdoor Volleyball USA Rules. Go
to jsvba.com to see a copy of the rulebook.

This is the Official Interpretation of the JSVBA and Outdoor Volleyball USA.

If you are using the FIVB Rules the answer should still be Yes, you are
correct, because the rule states that double contact on the first ball is
allowed as long as there is no finger action, (that means setting motion).
However, this will depend upon how strictly the referee enforces the double
contact concept. If you have an indoor ref, it will probably be legal to play
it with your hands, a strict outdoor ref would probably call it a fault every
time.

Under the USAV Rules
.
13.4 CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CONTACT
13.4.2 A player may have successive contacts with the
ball during a single attempt to make the teams first
contact provided the fingers are not used to direct
the ball.
13.4.2 Commentary: It is legal to receive a served ball
using the fingers in a setting action provided that
there is not a double contact or a held ball.

The result of that rule should be about the same as the FIVB rule, an indoor
ref will allow it, an outdoor ref will most likely not. The commentary says
that it could be legal, the reality should be, in high level outdoor
competition it would be called virtually every time due to the higher standards
applied to that contact compared to even a set by the same player.

For Example, AVP players will not take the chance of a ref calling it a fault
and bump virtually all first balls.

Most of those guys can handset anything, anytime, anyplace, so no matter what
the rules and commentary say, just to be safe, bump the first ball.

It's not indoors, where anything goes!

The above are only my opinions and should not be construed as fact or
interpretation by the FIVB or USAV.

Michael Borga
JSVBA

 
 
 

Outdoor - Rules question about hands

Post by Todd » Sat, 15 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> I know this is probably the most asked question for outdoor, but I
> didn't see it posted...blah, blah...

> Am I correct?  You can only take a ball overhanded (2 Man sand) if
> you are setting the ball, or if it is hard driven to you.

You are mistaken under USAV and FIVB beach rules.  The rule you cite
is a common "homer" or local rule, however.

Quote:
> Where can I find this rule?

From the USAV Beach rulebook available at
http://usavolleyball.org/pub/rule_book.htm

USAV Beach 1999-2000
13.4 Characteristics of the Contact
13.4.1 A player may touch the ball with any part of the body.
13.4.2 A player may have successive contact with the ball during a
       single attempt to make the team's first contact provided the
       fingers are not used to direct the ball.
13.4.2 Commentary:  It is legal to receive a served ball using the
       fingers in a setting action provided that there is not a double
       contact or a held ball.
13.4.3 The ball must be contacted cleanly and not held, lifted,
       pushed, caught, carried or thrown.  The ball cannot roll or
       come to rest on any part of the player's body.  It can rebound
       in any direction.
13.4.3.1 An exception shall be allowed during the defensive play of a
         hard-driven ball (an attack-hit or blocked ball traveling at
         a high rate of speed), as judged by the referee.  In that
         case, the ball may be momentarily lifted or pushed.
13.4.4 A contact of the ball using the fingers (setting action) of one
       or two hand to direct the ball toward a teammate is a set.  A
       player may set the ball in any direction toward his/her team's
       court.
13.4.4.1 Rotation of a set ball may indicate a held ball or multiple
         contacts during the set but in itself is not a faul.
13.4.5 For doubles and triples competition only:  If the ball is
       intentionally set into the opponent's court, the player must
       contact the ball with two hands above his/her shoulders and set
       it directly forward or directly backward with relation to
       his/her body.
13.4.5 Commentary:  A legal set directed toward a teammate that
       crosses the net because of elements is not a fault, regardless
       of the player's body position.
13.4.6 For Doubles, Triples and Four-Player Competition only:  When
       contacting the ball with one hand, other than for setting the
       ball toward a teammate, the ball must be cleanly hit with the
       heel or palm of the hand (a roll shot), with straight, locked
       fingertips (a cobra), knurled fingers (a camel toe) or with the
       back of the hand from the wrist to the knuckles. One handed
       placement or redirectio of the ball with the fingers (a dink or
       open-hand tip) is a fault.

Quote:

> ---just a dumb old indoor player.
> --Marc

I have a web page for dumb indoor players hitting the beach.  :-)

        http://www.io.com/~tdh/vball/ref/ODRULDIF.HTM

I also have a primer on beach volleyball rules which attempts to cover
all the contentious issues:

        http://www.io.com/~tdh/vball/ref/beach/

And...most germane to your question is my "hard driven ball FAQ" page:

        http://www.io.com/~tdh/vball/ref/hard-driven.html

Best Regards,
--

     USA Volleyball Jr. National Referee, Palatine, IL
Todd's Volleyball Referee Page http://www.io.com/~tdh/vball/