2-man vs. 4-man (...and AVP Atlanta)

2-man vs. 4-man (...and AVP Atlanta)

Post by Michael Hoeffling » Fri, 06 May 1994 02:13:02


Time to wear your religion on you sleeve:

        Q:  From an outdoor spectator perspective which version of beach
            volleyball is more interesting/exciting to watch...2-person (AVP
            WPVA) or 4-person?

I bring up this question in the wake of the Prime Ticket broadcast of the
AVP's Atlanta stop last weekend.  For those that didn't get a chance to catch
it, it was Karch/Kent against Mike/Mike (K/K took it 15:9).

The notable thing about this match was decidedly not the outcome, but the
fact that the match was enormously uneventful to watch for several reasons:

   - there was no defensive intensity or interest in exciting rallies
     exhibited by either team

   - the bleachers were less than 1/2 full  (a sorry showing for our
     Olympic city)

   - the crowd was dead  (you could have heard a pin drop during 98% of
     the match)

Now don't get me wrong, I love the team of Dodd/Whitmarsh and have a ton
of respect for Karch (greatest player ever, works on a totally different
level), but there was little defense from either team and a large number
of over-on-two's from K/K.  While that is certainly the way to methodically
gather 15 points, I find it terribly uninteresting to watch and don't fault
the crowd for not getting into it.

Is this good for volleyball?

Personally, while I've been going to most AVP stops within 100 miles of
my house for 4 years now, I really enjoyed watching the 4-man stop last year
and find the 4-man beach game more appealing, since it carries with it
more of the complexity, action and rally duration of the indoor game.

Your thoughts...

ps:  If you're wondering what I think of Steffes, suffice it to say that
     I don't think he's half the player Karch is, and he's less than a
     quarter the player _he_ thinks he is.

--
Mike Hoefflinger
[indoor, grass, beach] X [outside, middle, setter] X [6, 4, 2]
play the permutations to become the total player...

 
 
 

2-man vs. 4-man (...and AVP Atlanta)

Post by Doyen T. Kle » Fri, 06 May 1994 05:00:12

Funny you should mention it..... years ago the AVP made all sorts
of concessions to make the game more watchable, speed scoring,
limiting time-outs etc.  Some older guys felt it ruined the
game (it certianly de-emphasised the endurance aspect)

Nowdays some AAA players in So Cal are talking about organizing
a 3-man circuit.  I personally like the longer ralleys in
3 & 4 man ball.

I also like have a few more people on my team to 'carry' me
when I get tired.  
--
.dtk It says little, does less, means nothing.

 
 
 

2-man vs. 4-man (...and AVP Atlanta)

Post by Gary Lef » Fri, 06 May 1994 23:05:31

2 man is great!  4 man I think needs some ambassadors to help it image.  I
watch, and they don't have the great hitters of the AVP.  I have yet to see any
one of them hit with the power of Karch, Stokie, Liola(?), Luyties...  Until I see
players of AVP calibre on the 4 man tour, I will continue to believe the 4 man as
ho-hum.  We know none of the 4 man players can consistently hang with the
 top AVP teams!  They get no respect from some of the AVP players.  For
example, on the Atlanta AVP stop they asked the players about the Olympics
and the Mighty Hov said it would great if they didn't have schmoes
representing the USA.  Referring to the recent FIVB tourney in Florida where
a few 4 man players went out to try and compete with the world.   They didn't
 do  as well as expected.  It is sort of like basketball, we sent college kids
all those years the rest of the world eventually caught up then we decided
to send the best basketball players we have (NBA) and we won by an
average of 50 points.  The same thing will happen if we send the best
beach (AVP) players to the Olympics!

 
 
 

2-man vs. 4-man (...and AVP Atlanta)

Post by Doyen T. Kle » Sat, 07 May 1994 02:07:45

Quote:

>2 man is great!  4 man I think needs some ambassadors to help it image.  I
>watch, and they don't have the great hitters of the AVP.  I have yet to see any

I think you're underestimating the players on the 4 man circuit (to some
extent).  The hitting in 4man is harder to do, you have an extra
blocker up, and an extra digger to avoid.  2 man is notoriously
easy to side out.  What about longer points with more digs and action?

Maybe they should award points, and have 'combo' prizes like they
do in skiing with slalom, GS and downhill.  You could get
2, 3, 4 and even co-ed points.

--
.dtk It says little, does less, means nothing.

 
 
 

2-man vs. 4-man (...and AVP Atlanta)

Post by Jason Botwi » Thu, 12 May 1994 12:04:51

Quote:

>Time to wear your religion on you sleeve:

>    Q:  From an outdoor spectator perspective which version of beach
>        volleyball is more interesting/exciting to watch...2-person (AVP
>        WPVA) or 4-person?

2-man is an endurance game. That's why it can be so boring to watch sometimes.
Guys don't play much defense because their conserving their energy. As you
noted, it is easy for those guys to side out most of the time. Thus, defensive
intensity becomes irrelevant on most plays. The most successful teams are teams
that can just continuously side-out until the other team loses focus or gets
tired and starts making little mistakes. Then good defense begins to matter,
and points start coming. This is how Karch/Kent win. Notice how they frequently
get behind, especially to Mike/Mike. But they get in a groove, and just keep
siding out until the other team gets worn down and give up the lead. It can
be boring, but many of the best and best-known players only play 2s, so if you
want to see Sinjin or Karch, you pretty much have to watch 2s.
Quote:

>Personally, while I've been going to most AVP stops within 100 miles of
>my house for 4 years now, I really enjoyed watching the 4-man stop last year
>and find the 4-man beach game more appealing, since it carries with it
>more of the complexity, action and rally duration of the indoor game.

I definitely agree. Four man is much more exciting, and there are great all-
around players (Ctvrtlik), hard hitters (is Timmons still playing out there?),
great defense, plus as you say, some of the complexity and longer rallies that
make indoor vb so exciting. There's also some great personalities out there.

Quote:
>ps:  If you're wondering what I think of Steffes, suffice it to say that
>     I don't think he's half the player Karch is, and he's less than a
>     quarter the player _he_ thinks he is.

I agree with the second part, but Kent is pretty ***ing good. Remember, he's
won tournaments with three different players in one year. I'm pretty sure
nobody else has ever done that, not even Karch. Also, he's still really young,
maybe not even in his prime yet. Lots of people knock him, but just because he
occasionally acts like a jerk doesn't mean he's not a great player. Hey,
look at Hovland, for crying out loud. He's made a career out of being a jerk.

jdb