12 MEN'S TEAMS TO FIGHT FOR 3 OLYMPIC BERTHS

12 MEN'S TEAMS TO FIGHT FOR 3 OLYMPIC BERTHS

Post by Jason Sinclai » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00


From the TEam Canada homepage:

The FIVB has released the names of the twelve countries that will
compete for the remaining three Olympic spots at the last chance
qualifying tournaments later this July, 2000. ?The countries are as
follows:

Spain (7), Argentina (9), Canada (10), China (13), France (14),
Venezuela (17), Japan (18), Mexico (25), Portugal (25), Greece (30),
Chinese Taipei (34), plus one African team to be known after their
continental event.

The teams will be divided up into three pools of four, in one of three
host countries of Portugal, France and Greece. ?The four teams in each
pool will then compete in a round robin tournament where only the winner
will gain an Olympic berth. ?Teams will be divided into respective pools
according to FIVB rankings. ?The exact pools and locations each team
will play in has not yet been released by the FIVB.

One last chance for Canada.

Jason
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Post by Rick Capon » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00

This is kind of interesting.  Are you talking men or women here?

According to the Canadian women's head coach, Canada will
participate in a tourney in asia in the next month or so.
There, the top asian team qualifies, and the next three non
asian teams qualify.  Canada (the women) should be able to
make it at this tourney.

I have to assume you are talking about the men in your post
below -- yes/no???

Thanks

Rick
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Quote:

> From the TEam Canada homepage:

> The FIVB has released the names of the twelve countries that will
> compete for the remaining three Olympic spots at the last chance
> qualifying tournaments later this July, 2000.  The countries are as
> follows:

> Spain (7), Argentina (9), Canada (10), China (13), France (14),
> Venezuela (17), Japan (18), Mexico (25), Portugal (25), Greece (30),
> Chinese Taipei (34), plus one African team to be known after their
> continental event.

> The teams will be divided up into three pools of four, in one of three
> host countries of Portugal, France and Greece.  The four teams in each
> pool will then compete in a round robin tournament where only the winner
> will gain an Olympic berth.  Teams will be divided into respective pools
> according to FIVB rankings.  The exact pools and locations each team
> will play in has not yet been released by the FIVB.

> One last chance for Canada.

> Jason
> ---------------
> Jason Sinclair
> Victoria Volleyball Association
> http://hypbus.c

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Post by Jason Sinclai » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Yes this post is regarding the mens team.
Don't have the info yet on the women, but I'll post it if/when it's
available.

Jason
---------------
Jason Sinclair
Victoria Volleyball Association
http://hypbus.com/vicvball


Quote:

> This is kind of interesting.  Are you talking men or women here?

> According to the Canadian women's head coach, Canada will
> participate in a tourney in asia in the next month or so.
> There, the top asian team qualifies, and the next three non
> asian teams qualify.  Canada (the women) should be able to
> make it at this tourney.

> I have to assume you are talking about the men in your post
> below -- yes/no???

> Thanks

> Rick
> --
> Rick Capone
> Coconut Creek, Florida

> Go ISU Cyclones and CCSU Blue Devils!
> -------------------------------------

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Post by Mads Bri » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00

What happened to Netherland (Holland) ?

Regards
Mads Brix


Quote:
> From the TEam Canada homepage:

> The FIVB has released the names of the twelve countries that will
> compete for the remaining three Olympic spots at the last chance
> qualifying tournaments later this July, 2000. The countries are as
> follows:

> Spain (7), Argentina (9), Canada (10), China (13), France (14),
> Venezuela (17), Japan (18), Mexico (25), Portugal (25), Greece (30),
> Chinese Taipei (34), plus one African team to be known after their
> continental event.

> The teams will be divided up into three pools of four, in one of three
> host countries of Portugal, France and Greece. The four teams in each
> pool will then compete in a round robin tournament where only the winner
> will gain an Olympic berth. Teams will be divided into respective pools
> according to FIVB rankings. The exact pools and locations each team
> will play in has not yet been released by the FIVB.

> One last chance for Canada.

> Jason
> ---------------
> Jason Sinclair
> Victoria Volleyball Association
> http://hypbus.c

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

 
 
 

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Post by Mikko H?yrine » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00

The number of places for European teams was limited and the organizers
(Greece, Portugal and France) took the places.

I think that this system is strange. The best teams can't even participate
to the final qualification tournaments because of continental limitations.

Regards

Mikko H?yrinen

 
 
 

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Post by Micha?l Pattiruh » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>The number of places for European teams was limited and the organizers
>(Greece, Portugal and France) took the places.

>I think that this system is strange. The best teams can't even participate
>to the final qualification tournaments because of continental limitations.

I think the Netherlands are a bit weaker than 4 years ago, but still....
as the Olympic champion they should be present!
I heard Spain is going to Sydney because the garanteed more hours of TV than
the Netherlands; that's simply insane!

Micha?l (Amsterdam)

 
 
 

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Post by Christian Perri » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
>From the TEam Canada homepage:

>The FIVB has released the names of the twelve countries that will
>compete for the remaining three Olympic spots at the last chance
>qualifying tournaments later this July, 2000. ?The countries are as
>follows:

>Spain (7), Argentina (9), Canada (10), China (13), France (14),
>Venezuela (17), Japan (18), Mexico (25), Portugal (25), Greece (30),
>Chinese Taipei (34), plus one African team to be known after their
>continental event.

>The teams will be divided up into three pools of four, in one of three
>host countries of Portugal, France and Greece. ?The four teams in each
>pool will then compete in a round robin tournament where only the winner
>will gain an Olympic berth. ?Teams will be divided into respective pools
>according to FIVB rankings. ?The exact pools and locations each team

"according to FIVB rankings"..... I really hope that the pools will
be "equilibrated" (eng?) Not sure of this as FIVB rankings are a real joke
(non european teams are overevaluated in the FIVB ranking).

For instance, I predict of lot of pleasure to the teams which will
play in Greece. Greece is ranked 30th, but its
real value is around the 10th place in the world.... Especially when
they play at home (with home line judges...:-))

On the other hand, the 25th palce of Portugal is only due to the
chance portugueses had to play in World League. The 9th place of
Argentina is strongly overevaluated, as well as 25th palce of
Mexico...

My hope for France : Argentina, France, Venezuela and Mexico.....

My nightmare : Spain, France, Japan, Taipei

Quote:
>will play in has not yet been released by the FIVB.

>One last chance for Canada.

>Jason
>---------------
>Jason Sinclair
>Victoria Volleyball Association
>http://hypbus.c

>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.

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Post by Gates » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>The 9th place of
>Argentina is strongly overevaluated,

They lost to Brazil in 5 sets in the South American Qualifier.  They are
tougher than you think.

Dan

 
 
 

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Post by Are Akselse » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Holland had their chance in Poland earlier on, but ended third behind
Jugoslavia and Bulgaria.

Are

Quote:

> What happened to Netherland (Holland) ?

> Regards
> Mads Brix



> > From the TEam Canada homepage:

> > The FIVB has released the names of the twelve countries that will
> > compete for the remaining three Olympic spots at the last chance
> > qualifying tournaments later this July, 2000. The countries are as
> > follows:

> > Spain (7), Argentina (9), Canada (10), China (13), France (14),
> > Venezuela (17), Japan (18), Mexico (25), Portugal (25), Greece (30),
> > Chinese Taipei (34), plus one African team to be known after their
> > continental event.

> > The teams will be divided up into three pools of four, in one of three
> > host countries of Portugal, France and Greece. The four teams in each
> > pool will then compete in a round robin tournament where only the winner
> > will gain an Olympic berth. Teams will be divided into respective pools
> > according to FIVB rankings. The exact pools and locations each team
> > will play in has not yet been released by the FIVB.

> > One last chance for Canada.

> > Jason
> > ---------------
> > Jason Sinclair
> > Victoria Volleyball Association
> > http://hypbus.c

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.

 
 
 

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Post by Christian Perri » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
>I think the Netherlands are a bit weaker than 4 years ago, but still....
>as the Olympic champion they should be present!
>I heard Spain is going to Sydney because the garanteed more hours of TV than
>the Netherlands; that's simply insane!

The official explanation is that Netherlands already had their
chance to get the Sydney ticket. They lost it at the European
continental tournament which ocurred in Katowice (Poland)
in early January.

All countries have only one tournament they can participate in. All
countries who weren't qualified for continental tournaments are
qualified for one of the 3 world tournaments.

Spain has still to get their ticket if you read carefully the FIVB
announcement.

I agree that there is some stupidity in this qualification scheme.
But it does not lie in the respective chances of european countries.
The real stupidity is that some non european countries have
*several* occasions for getting their ticket. Look at Canada : they will
play their third chance to get one Sydney ticket (first at WC,
second at NORCECA tournament, last at the world tournament).
I'm really glad for canadian players which I deeply appreciate, but
this does not look very fair to me.

Another stupid system : USA won their ticket in just one match :
they had to beat Canada at the NORCECA tournament and that's it. The
other opponents were....Mexico and Puerto Rico...:-)

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Post by Christian Perri » Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
>>The 9th place of
>>Argentina is strongly overevaluated,

>They lost to Brazil in 5 sets in the South American Qualifier.  They are
>tougher than you think.

I saw this result and, yes, this was a considerable surprise for me.
*but* this particular result was not counted when Argentina has been
ranked 9th in the world.

Moreover, there are some explanations for this Brasil weakness :
nearly all the brasilian top players play in Europe and had to come
to Brasil very lately. On the other hand, Argentina has only one or
two of their top players playing here.

Looking to their 1999 results (and particularly their results at
World League, where they qualified for the final tournament only
because they were the home team), they do not deserve the 9th world
rank. I would put them around the 15th place.

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Post by Gates » Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>Another stupid system : USA won their ticket in just one match :
>they had to beat Canada at the NORCECA tournament and that's it.

Of course their finish in the World Cup shows just how overrated they are ; ).

Dan

 
 
 

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Post by PADYMURP » Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:00:00

FIVB President Ruben Acosta Hernandez was on Belgian (Dutch) TV on Wednesday
saying that he understood some of the 12 invited for the wild card Olympic
qualifiers would not particiapte. This would permit invitation to the 1998
Men's Olympic Champions : Netherlands. He was asked if this was guaranteed and
he said iit was not guaranted. Bas van dde Goor was playing for Modena in the
European Cup match I refereed at Lennik (winning 3-1, 6-3 on aggregate) and he
hopes the Big Orange will be in Super Sydnney! So there . Slan, slan
P O'Murchu

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Post by Christian Perri » Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
>>Another stupid system : USA won their ticket in just one match :
>>they had to beat Canada at the NORCECA tournament and that's it.

>Of course their finish in the World Cup shows just how overrated they are ; ).

Dan, I didn't said they do not deserve their ticket.

They do. USA made a wonderful tournament in Japan, surprising nearly
everyone.

So, yes, based on their intrinsic value, they perfectly deserve
their ticket.

What I contest is the *way* they finally got it. For USA and Canada,
the Olympic ticket was played on only *one* match. Evrybody knew
that it would be played on this match.

So, statistically speaking, both teams had around 1 chance out of 2
to get their ticket. Yes, I'm here neglecting the chances of Mexico
and Puerto Rico.

The same occurred for the South-American tournament where Argentina
and Brasil were quite certain to be the finalists and thus play for
the ticket on one match.

Compare this to the perfomance realised by, for instance, Yugoslavia
in Katowice. The Yugos are in the top-5 teams in the world (their
FIVB ranking is lower than it should be because they were banned
from World League and World Cup). For winning this ticket, they had
to beat Bulgaria, Netherlands (the former OC, of course), Ukraine
and some other teams of the same level. Quite more difficult than
just beating one team.

Imagine the situation that would have occurred if USA won their
ticket at World Cup. The NORCECA tournament would then have been a
real joke with Canada qualified before playing.

Of course, FIVB is not responsible for all this : there are rules
for the Olympics that say that all continents have to be represented
for team sports with national teams.

What I contest is, for instance, making North-America and
South-America two "continents". I would have been quite more fair to
have only one tournament for both subcontinents and leave the
remaining ticket to a fourth world qualification tournament.

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Post by Scott R. Hammo » Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:00:00

<SNIP>
Quote:

> Imagine the situation that would have occurred if USA won their
> ticket at World Cup. The NORCECA tournament would then have been a
> real joke with Canada qualified before playing.

> Of course, FIVB is not responsible for all this : there are rules
> for the Olympics that say that all continents have to be represented
> for team sports with national teams.

<SNIP>

Actually, if both Cuba and the USA would have qualified at the World Cup
then the NORCECA tournament would not have happened.  It would have then
become a regular international tournament , open to the European teams.

Quote:

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