another setting question

another setting question

Post by Richard Pottor » Sun, 30 May 1993 02:53:47


Thanks to all who answered my previous question about setting.

I now have another question.  I seem to remember at the ASF volleyball camp
I went to eons ago that the encouraged people not to use their legs to push
with when setting, but that arm and wrist flexion would usually give the ball
enough oomph! to get where you wanted to be. They said that they wanted us
to minimize the number of muscles used, so we wouldn't get tired so quickly,
but I think the real reason is the few muscles you use, the easier it is to
train them, and the fewer chances you have of screwing something up.

My arms and wrists are strong enough to give the outside hitter a high outside
set from the right side of the net, without pushing off with my legs.  The
instructors in the class I'm in are all on my case because I'm not getting
my legs into the act (if I get my legs into the act, I can bounce the ball
off the ceiling into the middle of the next court from the far sideline).
I watch the higher level players (after my class) and none of the better
setters are pushing off with their legs when they set.

So, should I continue to set using just elbow and wrist flexion, with no
leg pushoff, or try to learn to push off with my legs, so when I get to a
higher level I can unlearn the leg pushoff?

Thanks,

Rick P.
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another setting question

Post by Evil Tw » Tue, 01 Jun 1993 09:46:19

[...]

Quote:

> My arms and wrists are strong enough to give the outside hitter a high outside
> set from the right side of the net, without pushing off with my legs.  The
> instructors in the class I'm in are all on my case because I'm not getting
> my legs into the act (if I get my legs into the act, I can bounce the ball
> off the ceiling into the middle of the next court from the far sideline).
> I watch the higher level players (after my class) and none of the better
> setters are pushing off with their legs when they set.

> So, should I continue to set using just elbow and wrist flexion, with no
> leg pushoff, or try to learn to push off with my legs, so when I get to a
> higher level I can unlearn the leg pushoff?

If you're getting graded on skills in your class.  It's probably a good idea to
do what the instructer wants you to do.  As long as it isn't contrary to
learning how to play volleyball correctly !-)

In class practice setting with the legs.  Also get in time after class to set
without using the legs.  If you're intention is to become a setter, then just
using your upper body is in your favor.  You'll telegraph the direction of your
set less often, a consistent and high outside jump-set will be a breeze, you'll
probably also be able to speed up your offense.  Also, you'll be able to make
those cool-ass sets to the outside on the run (i.e. the pass is almost in the
outside hitters zone), and everyone will bow down to you and say "we're not
worthy" !-) !-)

I'm not too sure how long you've been playing.  And I don't want to knock a
volleyball instructor I've never seen.  But I've seen some instructors that
should have stuck to teaching bowling or something.

Tony -

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another setting question

Post by Richard Pottor » Thu, 03 Jun 1993 03:32:44

[...]

Quote:

> My arms and wrists are strong enough to give the outside hitter a high outside
> set from the right side of the net, without pushing off with my legs.  The
> instructors in the class I'm in are all on my case because I'm not getting
> my legs into the act (if I get my legs into the act, I can bounce the ball
> off the ceiling into the middle of the next court from the far sideline).
> I watch the higher level players (after my class) and none of the better
> setters are pushing off with their legs when they set.

> So, should I continue to set using just elbow and wrist flexion, with no
> leg pushoff, or try to learn to push off with my legs, so when I get to a
> higher level I can unlearn the leg pushoff?

:If you're getting graded on skills in your class.  It's probably a good idea to
:do what the instructer wants you to do.  As long as it isn't contrary to
:learning how to play volleyball correctly !-)

:In class practice setting with the legs.  Also get in time after class to set
:without using the legs.  If you're intention is to become a setter, then just
:using your upper body is in your favor.  You'll telegraph the direction of your
:set less often, a consistent and high outside jump-set will be a breeze, you'll
:probably also be able to speed up your offense.

:I'm not too sure how long you've been playing.  And I don't want to knock a
:volleyball instructor I've never seen.  But I've seen some instructors that
:should have stuck to teaching bowling or something.

:Tony -

/*****/

I've been "playing" for years, but I've had a lot of bad habits from jungle
ball to unlearn :-(.  In my current class, I'm almost never served to when
I am a serve receiver, must be due to my passes to the target zone.  I set
because I want to be involved as much as possible in the offense, and I
want a good workout (I'm lucky if the passes are high and to the net,
forget target zone) so I do some setting.

I'm not getting  "graded" in the class, they are just trying to raise the
level of play of the people in the class. For as much criticsm as I'm getting
for not using my legs in setting, the head instructor is still asking me
to be one of the two setters on my team (we play 6-2).

The instructor is pretty good.  He is teaching the class intermediate skills,
and I think I've almost maxed out on them, except my sets aren't consistent
because my right arm tends to overpower my left arm and make the sets drift
to my left. I now automatically compensate for that in my outside sets, but
I need to work a lot more on my middle sets, both on my own, and with hitters,
because the ball still drifts to my left.

I also need more work on my back sets.

Rick P.

P.S.

The dialogue that went on about goofy foot approaches is paying off for me.
My hits are a lot harder now, and I seem to be getting about as high as
before, even tho my timing is still a bit off. Also, when my approach was
goofy footed, I had to wrap my left foot to keep it from being really pain
full after playing, and now I have no problems with it.

rmp

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