Final 4 TV time-outs

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Mark Easto » Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Did anyone else find it somewhat curious that ESPN(2) needed to have TV
time-outs during the Long Beach / Florida semi and the Long Beach / Penn
State championship matches even though the matches were being tape delayed
and edited?

They had a TV time-out in each of the non-rally games when one of the teams
reached 8 points.  This seems to be a pointless delay since the games were
going to be completely edited before being televised, especially in light of
their completely dropping the 2nd game of the championship match.

 
 
 

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Randy Loughli » Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Actually, there was a media timeout (at the 8-point mark) only if no team had
called a time-out before then.  They probably did this in all matches for
consistency.  Also, I believe they edited the final match by removing just one
part (which apparently turned out to be the entire second game), rather than
putting in extra breaks where necessary (they edited it the easier way).

However, don't get me started on the whole issue of delayed (and edited)
telecasts.  I'm sure I'll be writing a long post on this issue, which of course
will be preaching to the choir.

Randy Loughlin

Quote:

> Did anyone else find it somewhat curious that ESPN(2) needed to have TV
> time-outs during the Long Beach / Florida semi and the Long Beach / Penn
> State championship matches even though the matches were being tape delayed
> and edited?

> They had a TV time-out in each of the non-rally games when one of the teams
> reached 8 points.  This seems to be a pointless delay since the games were
> going to be completely edited before being televised, especially in light of
> their completely dropping the 2nd game of the championship match.


 
 
 

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Doug O'Ne » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>   Actually, there was a media timeout (at the 8-point mark) only if no team had
>   called a time-out before then.  They probably did this in all matches for
>   consistency.  Also, I believe they edited the final match by removing just one
>   part (which apparently turned out to be the entire second game), rather than
>   putting in extra breaks where necessary (they edited it the easier way).
>   However, don't get me started on the whole issue of delayed (and edited)
>   telecasts.  I'm sure I'll be writing a long post on this issue, which of course
>   will be preaching to the choir.

One thing about them is that you can tell what's going to happen before you
see it.  I haven't watched the tape of the finals yet, but I figure that
the fan watching the broadcast who didn't yet know the outcome could have
guessed that PSU would win at least game 3, since after they cut out game 2
there was still some time left in the broadcast.  This is also true in the

this year, and after they showed all of the 15-3 first game and almost all
the second game and came back with the start of the third, that could only
mean one thing: sweep.

ESPN was showing lumberjack competitions yesterday afternoon ... for those
folks without the dEuCe, I cannot believe that such things are more popular
than volleyball.  I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN has a clause in its
contract with the NFL that they have to show really stupid stuff during other
networks' football coverage.

                                                        Doug

 
 
 

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Donald E Simmo » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


>Subject: Final 4 TV time-outs
>Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:47:40 -0600
>Did anyone else find it somewhat curious that ESPN(2) needed to have TV
>time-outs during the Long Beach / Florida semi and the Long Beach / Penn
>State championship matches even though the matches were being tape delayed
>and edited?
>They had a TV time-out in each of the non-rally games when one of the teams
>reached 8 points.  This seems to be a pointless delay since the games were
>going to be completely edited before being televised, especially in light of
>their completely dropping the 2nd game of the championship match.

As a Penn State fan and was at the championship, I would love to have the
first game removed from memory. That weak first game showed in the season a
few times. During the season they were able to regroup and win the game or
win in 4 as needed.

My opinion is PSU had the better team, but LBSU had the better athletes. In
this case the better athletes won. This does not imply the athletes of PSU or
the team of LBSU was not good. Given a rating of 100 the other exceeded.  With
what I saw from these teams I would love to see a best 2 of 3 match. If one
enjoys volleyball, how much good volleyball can one enjoy??

Congratulation to Long Beach State University on a good season and earned
Championship.

Thank You Penn State for the enjoyment of a wonderful season.

In my best dreams, I cannot envision being 20 +/- years old and performing
in front of 10000 + fans.

Thank you; all volleyball players, staff, management and fans.
A most enjoyable moment was visiting with Missy Mays parents at the hotel.
Long Beach Family members and fans were excellent; and such display makes the
Championship victory that much more enjoyable.

**********
I do have a question; *********

The championship is played on a mat surface, PSU plays on a wood floor at home
and I think all courts it plays on. It looked to me that PSU was not moving
along the net smoothly. They were jumping and getting out on timing control.
LBSU seemed to slide along the net and be in position and timing for blocks
and kills.

Does any team play on the mat surface during the season?
Does the mat surface have a difference either actual or mental?

I would be interested in anyone with information, comments or opinions to post.
Change  Subject to : Court Surface.

Thank You,
Doanld

 
 
 

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Bruce Kv » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00

On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:47:40 -0600, "Mark Eastom"

Quote:

>Did anyone else find it somewhat curious that ESPN(2) needed to have TV
>time-outs during the Long Beach / Florida semi and the Long Beach / Penn
>State championship matches even though the matches were being tape delayed
>and edited?

The national networks always do this; it wasn't peculiar to this
match. There must be some kind of production reason why they prefer to
take the timeouts "real-time." It's probably just that they have that
much less editing to do later on, and since they're used to doing
everything live, it's probably the least amount of work.
 
 
 

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Drew Kalapac » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> ESPN was showing lumberjack competitions yesterday afternoon ... for those
> folks without the dEuCe, I cannot believe that such things are more popular
> than volleyball.

Don't EVEN get me started................. ;)

--
Drew Kalapach
Houston.... "South Dallas" ;)
http://users.aol.com/dekkal/pages/drewpage.html

 
 
 

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Doug O'Ne » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>   As a Penn State fan and was at the championship, I would love to have the
>   first game removed from memory. That weak first game showed in the season a
>   few times. During the season they were able to regroup and win the game or
>   win in 4 as needed.

Right.  If Penn State shows up in game 1, the match may have a different
outcome.  Their only other g1 loss of the season was at home to Wisconsin,
where they got behind 3-12 before almost coming back to lose only 13-15.

Quote:
>   Congratulation to Long Beach State University on a good season and earned
>   Championship.
>   Thank You Penn State for the enjoyment of a wonderful season.
>   In my best dreams, I cannot envision being 20 +/- years old and performing
>   in front of 10000 + fans.
>   Thank you; all volleyball players, staff, management and fans.
>   A most enjoyable moment was visiting with Missy Mays parents at the hotel.
>   Long Beach Family members and fans were excellent; and such display makes the
>   Championship victory that much more enjoyable.

What he said! to all of the above.

Quote:
>   The championship is played on a mat surface, PSU plays on a wood floor at home
>   and I think all courts it plays on. It looked to me that PSU was not moving
>   along the net smoothly. They were jumping and getting out on timing control.
>   LBSU seemed to slide along the net and be in position and timing for blocks
>   and kills.
>   Does any team play on the mat surface during the season?
>   Does the mat surface have a difference either actual or mental?

From what I've seen on TV, Long Beach plays their home matches on the wood
basketball floor, marked with volleyball lines, just like Rec Hall was before
the hoops teams moved out of there.  Colorado, for one, plays home matches
on SportCourt.

And there's the famous PSU victory over the USA national team last year,
when a SportCourt was brought into Rec Hall for the purpose.

But I too would be interested in answers to this question.

                                                        Doug

 
 
 

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Tomas Vazque » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00

The Pyramid at the Beach is also wooden floor.
tom
Quote:
> **********
> I do have a question; *********

> The championship is played on a mat surface, PSU plays on a wood floor at home
> and I think all courts it plays on. It looked to me that PSU was not moving
> along the net smoothly. They were jumping and getting out on timing control.
> LBSU seemed to slide along the net and be in position and timing for blocks
> and kills.

 
 
 

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Chris Crade » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



> >Subject: Final 4 TV time-outs
> >Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:47:40 -0600

> >Did anyone else find it somewhat curious that ESPN(2) needed to have TV
> >time-outs during the Long Beach / Florida semi and the Long Beach / Penn
> >State championship matches even though the matches were being tape delayed
> >and edited?

I remember being told by a producer-type once that it's much easier to
put the commercials in during real (live) time, so that you know you
have a 90-second break or whatever and you know three commercials will
fit perfectly, than to mess with editing in a break, and timing how you
restart the match broadcast perfectly during editing.  Also, since the
final was only delayed by two hours, and since the broadcast went on the
air at 3 CST while the match was still in game 4, figuring out what and
how much to cut seems to be a difficult prospect, so having one fewer
thing to worry about is a good thing.

Quote:
> **********
> I do have a question; *********

> The championship is played on a mat surface, PSU plays on a wood floor at home
> and I think all courts it plays on. It looked to me that PSU was not moving
> along the net smoothly. They were jumping and getting out on timing control.
> LBSU seemed to slide along the net and be in position and timing for blocks
> and kills.

> Does any team play on the mat surface during the season?
> Does the mat surface have a difference either actual or mental?

Part of the package of bidding to host the Final Four means the host
school gets to keep the SportCourt used for the finals.  However, it
takes many man-hours to set up that floor, so I imagine schools that
have SportCourts but have to share gym space with other sports, may not
use it all the time.  I've played on both and coached on both and don't
find really any difference in playability.  My experience is that when
you're trying to block and Misty May's setting for the other team, it
often looks like you're not moving very well, but that's another
story....  Bad wood floors are worse to dive on that SportCourts, but if
you get floorburn on a SportCourt I find it's sometimes worse than on a
wood floor.  Also, SportCourts generally don't have a lot of padding
underneath them (a couple layers of thin felt, basically), so if the
court in above a concrete floor or something, your knees and back might
not like it as much.  Of course, a SportCourt set on a nice, springy
wood floor (like Stanford's) is probably slightly easier on the body.

That's my opinion, at least.

Chris Crader

 
 
 

Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by Joe Arki » Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>Subject: Re: Final 4 TV time-outs

>Date: 21 Dec 1998 22:17:35 GMT

<del>
>>   The championship is played on a mat surface, PSU plays on a wood floor at home
>>   and I think all courts it plays on. It looked to me that PSU was not moving
>>   along the net smoothly. They were jumping and getting out on timing control.
>>   LBSU seemed to slide along the net and be in position and timing for blocks
>>   and kills.

>>   Does any team play on the mat surface during the season?
>>   Does the mat surface have a difference either actual or mental?

>From what I've seen on TV, Long Beach plays their home matches on the wood
>basketball floor, marked with volleyball lines, just like Rec Hall was before
>the hoops teams moved out of there.  Colorado, for one, plays home matches
>on SportCourt.

>And there's the famous PSU victory over the USA national team last year,
>when a SportCourt was brought into Rec Hall for the purpose.

>But I too would be interested in answers to this question.

Wisconsin plays on Sport Court.  Actually, I thought that the Sport
Court used for the FF was Wisconsin's floor from The Barn.

Regards,
-Joe

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Final 4 TV time-outs

Post by H2O » Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:00:00

ESPN has grown from a little guy that used to search for good events and
sports to a minion run by big guys that know the sports we want to see.  If
I see anymore figure skating, and most of it is now exhibition, I think I'll
vomit.  My wife who likes figure skating is even complaining.

RMT, LBSU73

Quote:



>>   Actually, there was a media timeout (at the 8-point mark) only if no
team had
>>   called a time-out before then.  They probably did this in all matches
for
>>   consistency.  Also, I believe they edited the final match by removing
just one
>>   part (which apparently turned out to be the entire second game), rather
than
>>   putting in extra breaks where necessary (they edited it the easier
way).

>>   However, don't get me started on the whole issue of delayed (and
edited)
>>   telecasts.  I'm sure I'll be writing a long post on this issue, which
of course
>>   will be preaching to the choir.

>One thing about them is that you can tell what's going to happen before you
>see it.  I haven't watched the tape of the finals yet, but I figure that
>the fan watching the broadcast who didn't yet know the outcome could have
>guessed that PSU would win at least game 3, since after they cut out game 2
>there was still some time left in the broadcast.  This is also true in the

>this year, and after they showed all of the 15-3 first game and almost all
>the second game and came back with the start of the third, that could only
>mean one thing: sweep.

>ESPN was showing lumberjack competitions yesterday afternoon ... for those
>folks without the dEuCe, I cannot believe that such things are more popular
>than volleyball.  I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN has a clause in its
>contract with the NFL that they have to show really stupid stuff during
other
>networks' football coverage.

> Doug