Am I Missing Something?

Am I Missing Something?

Post by Christopher Davi » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>Just drove a Gekko GTO 22 this past weekend. Power was a PCM Apex (317 HP,
>Carb), and the boat was AWESOME - great tracking, wake, etc.

>Mastercafts, Nautiques, etc.? The interiors on the Mastercrafts and Nautiques
>are slightly better, but not by 10 grand.

Why pay more for a pair of Levis?  or why pay more for Nikes?

Actually, you're paying for a lot of R&D, a lot of marketing, and a lot of
other things that probably aren't directly associated with the physical
construction of the boat.

IBM used to do micromanagement of their PCs and they passed on R&D costs
to the finished product so that their R&D department's balance sheet would
not show a loss.  I'm not sure its a good way to run a business, but
they've been around for a while and it seemed to work for them.

 
 
 

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Post by Tom Ru » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00

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Quote:
>Price is about $23-24K, depending on options, including a nice trailer. The
>nagging question I'm left with is why are people paying $10K more for
>Mastercafts, Nautiques, etc.? The interiors on the Mastercrafts and Nautiques
>are slightly better, but not by 10 grand.

I really can't imagine anyone paying 10 grand more for
something similarly equipped. But it is pretty hard to make
apples-to-apples comparisons.  FWIW, you can get a brand new
Malibu Response for in the 26K range (and that'd be with
EFI, not carbs); a Mastercraft for a thousand or two more
than that.  Not even the Toyota is 34K.

Quote:
>I've familiarized myself with the construction - no big differences there.
>Same with warranties, power, running gear. What am I missing?

Dealer service network, resale value, creature comforts,
EFI/non-EFI etc.

Tom

 
 
 

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Post by Kevin R Baug » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Just a little change for accurracy to the original post.

Mastercraft  made the right marketing decision (you can argue the
merits if you want) on all glass construction, which put most other mfg's in
a bind. The mfg's who haven't followed have a marketing problem. CC and
Malibu have followed, but still only have a fewer years experience on their
all glass hulls. Because the design is so much stiffer, all-glass open bow
boats can be tricky to design. Will the recent adopters have hull crack
problems?

:-)

Kevin R Baugh

http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh
http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh/carla

 
 
 

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Post by Josh Lon » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00

I have a '98 Moomba Outback (open bow) and I couldn't care less if it has
hull crack problems.  I thas a lifetime hull warranty.  I think the "small
guys" will gain ground with the same lifetime hull warranty as the big guys.
That is, as long as they make good on the warranty issues that do come up.
So far I have no complaints with United Marine in that department.

Josh

Quote:
>Mastercraft and CC made the right marketing decision (you can argue the
>merits if you want) on all glass construction, which put most other mfg's
in
>a bind. The mfg's who haven't followed have a marketing problem. Several
>mfg's have followed, but still only have a fewer years experience on their
>all glass hulls. Because the design is so much stiffer, all-glass open bow
>boats can be tricky to design. Will the recent adopters have hull crack
>problems?

 
 
 

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Post by Ray Pulle » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>How about all-glass construction? Gekko is wood stringers, wood floor. One
>wheel trailer or two? EFI? The point is it's never apples to apples. If your
>happy with what you get with Gekko, though, who needs more?

FWIW, although I am an all-glass kinda guy (made that decision in 1994), I went
out with a 1960 boat this weekend, wood floor and stringers that were SOLID to
this day, 38 years later. On the other hand I have seen boats less than 10 years
old rotting away. As others have pointed out, it is hard to beat the damping
qualities and strength (yes and cost) of wood in a boat design. The secret is in
the quality and care that goes into making the boat, and to a slightly lesser
degree, the care and upkeep that the boat gets during it's life.

Ray

 
 
 

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Post by Lee Bo » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00

OK, OK, MasterCraft was there from the beginning, and CC followed (a whole
lot of boats ago). When did Malibu switch? (I know they have a plant in
Tennessee now, so we can consider them for East Coast use, but we Tennessee
hillbilly traditionalists are slow to accept outsiders :-).

BTW, my boat is none of the three above.

A change also below for poor grammer:

Quote:

>Just a little change for accurracy to the original post.

>Mastercraft  made the right marketing decision (you can argue the
>merits if you want) on all glass construction, which put most other mfg's
in
>a bind. The mfg's who haven't followed have a marketing problem. CC and
>Malibu have followed, but still have fewer years experience on their
>all glass hulls. Because the design is so much stiffer, all-glass open bow
>boats can be tricky to design. Will the recent adopters have hull crack
>problems?

>:-)

>Kevin R Baugh

>http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh
>http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh/carla

 
 
 

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Post by jstant.. » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Just drove a Gekko GTO 22 this past weekend. Power was a PCM Apex (317 HP,
>Carb), and the boat was AWESOME - great tracking, wake, etc.

>Price is about $23-24K, depending on options, including a nice trailer. The
>nagging question I'm left with is why are people paying $10K more for
>Mastercafts, Nautiques, etc.? The interiors on the Mastercrafts and Nautiques
>are slightly better, but not by 10 grand.

>I've familiarized myself with the construction - no big differences there.
>Same with warranties, power, running gear. What am I missing?

For starters, the APEX is rated at 320 HP and is multiport fuel
injection,  not carb. Second, Gekko's usually come with the Scorpion
from MerCruiser not PCM engines. Third, after a couple of years, check
the resale value and ask who paid more. Finally, you seemed to pull
this out of this year's BBG magazine with the $10K quote. Trolling
with flame bait?
 
 
 

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Post by Mark Leno » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> I've familiarized myself with the construction - no big differences there.
> Same with warranties, power, running gear. What am I missing?

Total cost of ownership really isn't that much different.   You won't pay quite
$10K more for a CC or MC, but when you go to sell it down the line, you'll get
more of your initial investment back with these boats.   Lots of reasons, mainly
marketing.

In my opinion, the single most important thing behind buying a new boat is the
dealer.  Make sure they are somebody you can deal with and who has the capability
to fix anything that goes wrong.   The best boat in the world isn't worth
anything when it's sitting on the trailer waiting to be fixed and there's nobody
around to do it.

Mark Lenox

 
 
 

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Post by Philip Pointe » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00

My old '93 Echelon was all glass.
Quote:

> OK, OK, MasterCraft was there from the beginning, and CC followed (a whole
> lot of boats ago). When did Malibu switch? (I know they have a plant in
> Tennessee now, so we can consider them for East Coast use, but we Tennessee
> hillbilly traditionalists are slow to accept outsiders :-).

> BTW, my boat is none of the three above.

> A change also below for poor grammer:


> >Just a little change for accurracy to the original post.

> >Mastercraft  made the right marketing decision (you can argue the
> >merits if you want) on all glass construction, which put most other mfg's
> in
> >a bind. The mfg's who haven't followed have a marketing problem. CC and
> >Malibu have followed, but still have fewer years experience on their
> >all glass hulls. Because the design is so much stiffer, all-glass open bow
> >boats can be tricky to design. Will the recent adopters have hull crack
> >problems?

> >:-)

> >Kevin R Baugh

> >http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh
> >http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh/carla

 
 
 

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Post by Ray Pulle » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>My old '93 Echelon was all glass.


>> OK, OK, MasterCraft was there from the beginning, and CC followed (a whole
>> lot of boats ago). When did Malibu switch? (I know they have a plant in
>> Tennessee now, so we can consider them for East Coast use, but we Tennessee
>> hillbilly traditionalists are slow to accept outsiders :-).

>> BTW, my boat is none of the three above.

>> A change also below for poor grammer:


>> >Just a little change for accurracy to the original post.

>> >Mastercraft  made the right marketing decision (you can argue the
>> >merits if you want) on all glass construction, which put most other mfg's
>> in
>> >a bind. The mfg's who haven't followed have a marketing problem. CC and
>> >Malibu have followed, but still have fewer years experience on their
>> >all glass hulls. Because the design is so much stiffer, all-glass open bow
>> >boats can be tricky to design. Will the recent adopters have hull crack
>> >problems?

>> >:-)

>> >Kevin R Baugh

>> >http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh
>> >http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh/carla

1993 was the year for Malibu, at least in some models. '94's were all glass.
Also, note that the marketing is working. A 1993 is "old".  No offense Phillip.

Ray