Extended Pylons

Extended Pylons

Post by Steve Robert » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> I am seriously considering purchasing an extended pylon for my MC.
> I noticed that prices of these pylons range from around $200-$400.
> Is there any reason I should spend $200 extra for a skylon?
> Isn't a pole just a pole?

> Thanks,
> R Lacey

Make your own for about $75. Just get a sturdy aluminum tube and***on a
deluxe ski hook from overtons. Standard disclaimers apply.

-steve(never pays retail for anything)roberts-

 
 
 

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Post by GoBi » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Make your own for about $75.

I don't know... that's pretty risky.  A simple $75 extension could result
in $75,000 woth or dmamge or injury.  I'd think twince about that.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Robert » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> > Make your own for about $75.

> I don't know... that's pretty risky.  A simple $75 extension could result
> in $75,000 woth or dmamge or injury.  I'd think twince about that.

What do you think this is? Rocket science? This is a peice of aluminum! So get
yourself a good peice of aluminum. You think the quys pumping these things out of
california garages at 300% margin have a corner on suitable aluminum? Give me a break.

-steve(ya pays your money and takes your chances)roberts-

 
 
 

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Post by CRMU » Fri, 07 Jun 1996 04:00:00


writes:

Quote:

>> Make your own for about $75.

>I don't know... that's pretty risky.  A simple $75 extension could result
>in $75,000 woth or dmamge or injury.  I'd think twince about that.

Back in the early '80's my friends and I built a barefoot boom out of
pipes we found in my families mech contractor yard.  It was braced and
cabled to the bow adn worked great after we improved it.  It wasn't pretty
but we learned alot on that old boom, and noone ever got hurt on it. Best
of sll we only had about $20 in cables and clamps invested.  I say go for
it and be careful.

Bob Muse

Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.

 
 
 

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Post by GoBi » Fri, 07 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> What do you think this is? Rocket science?

yeeeeeeahhhhh... rocket science- that's it!!  In fact in our own R&D, we
found that by using the Pylon Apparatus Dilatation Regulation Estimation
(codename "PADRE") factoring algorithm, we beat the competition with a
0.00129-digit record tolerance that was set on April 2, 1992, by the
Ugaritic Trigonometrical Arithmetic Hack (the "UTAH Project") factoring
algorithm. The amount of computer time spent on this new 116-digit
PADRE-record is only a fraction of what was spent on the old 109-digit
UTAH-record.

We used the polynomial

     5748,65112,87384,05200 X^7 +  9882,26191,74822,86102 X^3
  - 13392,49938,91281,76685 X^3 + 16875,25245,9945,84989 X^5
  +  3759,90017,48552,11636 X   - 46769,93055,71123,05995

and its root 125,78834,16841,80059,80468 modulo KPT-760. This polynomial
was selected from a list of 13 candidates provided by BoB Frapples, after
extensive factorization experiments carried out by Frans Friegert at the
University of Ugarit.

goBIG!

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Scibiens » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00

You misplaced a decimal.
Bob S.

 
 
 

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Post by Shar » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>They had some pretty thick PVC pipe there also...a lot cheaper than the
>aluminum.  Maybe I could stiffen the PVC pipe and make it work and really
>save a wad of money.  I'm sure I would get more flex from the PVC pylon,
>but maybe it would "slingshot" me off the wake ! !

Dude!

DO NOT USE PVC!   That stuff will shatter when under enough pressure.  There
was a thred up here some time ago about making a boom out of PVC and the
conclusion was too unsafe.  Spend the extra bucks, get the aluminum and be
safe.

Shark

 
 
 

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Post by BORDEN10 » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


>> > Make your own for about $75.

>> I don't know... that's pretty risky.  A simple $75 extension could
result
>> in $75,000 woth or dmamge or injury.  I'd think twince about that.

>What do you think this is? Rocket science? This is a peice of aluminum!
So
>get
>yourself a good peice of aluminum. You think the quys pumping these
things
>out of
>california garages at 300% margin have a corner on suitable aluminum?
Give me
>a break.

>-steve(ya pays your money and takes your chances)roberts-

Steve

I went to the local hardware store and they were asking questions about
wall thickness and grade of aluminum.  

Is this something to be concerned about, or do I just need a silver pipe
to drop over the pylon? ?  

They had some pretty thick PVC pipe there also...a lot cheaper than the
aluminum.  Maybe I could stiffen the PVC pipe and make it work and really
save a wad of money.  I'm sure I would get more flex from the PVC pylon,
but maybe it would "slingshot" me off the wake ! !

Think about it

bl

 
 
 

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Post by GoBi » Sat, 08 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> They had some pretty thick PVC pipe there also...a lot cheaper than the
> aluminum.  Maybe I could stiffen the PVC pipe and make it work and
really
> save a wad of money.  

Right on!!!  or what about even those cardboard tubes wrapping paper comes
on - a few of those taped together and you're G O L D E N!  (just make
sure you use pretty strong tape).  

As quoted... "ya pays your money and takes your chances".

By the way, I have this great design for a brown paper grocery bag-type
parachute.  Do I have any takers??  Not much reaserch and development,
just went out and tied them together - it should work, don't cha think?

 
 
 

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Post by Tim Nichol » Sun, 09 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



> > What do you think this is? Rocket science?

> yeeeeeeahhhhh... rocket science- that's it!!  In fact in our own R&D, we
> found that by using the Pylon Apparatus Dilatation Regulation Estimation
> (codename "PADRE") factoring algorithm, we beat the competition with a
> 0.00129-digit record tolerance that was set on April 2, 1992, by the
> Ugaritic Trigonometrical Arithmetic Hack (the "UTAH Project") factoring
> algorithm. The amount of computer time spent on this new 116-digit
> PADRE-record is only a fraction of what was spent on the old 109-digit
> UTAH-record.

> We used the polynomial

>      5748,65112,87384,05200 X^7 +  9882,26191,74822,86102 X^3
>   - 13392,49938,91281,76685 X^3 + 16875,25245,9945,84989 X^5
>   +  3759,90017,48552,11636 X   - 46769,93055,71123,05995

> and its root 125,78834,16841,80059,80468 modulo KPT-760. This polynomial
> was selected from a list of 13 candidates provided by BoB Frapples, after
> extensive factorization experiments carried out by Frans Friegert at the
> University of Ugarit.

> goBIG!

Does anybody know what any of this s**t means?  :)
 
 
 

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Post by PERFS » Sun, 09 Jun 1996 04:00:00

While you can make you own home grown extended pylon........is it worth
the risk of damage to your pylon, your boat, and whoever is riding in the
boat?  Best advice
I can offer is that if you do make it, look at whats out there, and work
with a machine shop to build it.  What it all boils down to how you value
you personal time to research how to build it, your safety...are you
willing to experiment on how to make it, and as always your pocket book.
But be realistic about it, weigh the cost of buying a pylon that is backed
by the manufacturer and TESTED, verses spending your own personal time
trying to figure out how to build it, driving around to buy the materials,
building it....and making sure it works.  Sounds like a hell of a lot of
time which could be better spent on the water.  (even if you had to work
some extra hours to cover the extra cost of the pylon.....I still think
you'll come out ahead.)  Its how you value your time I guess.  But good
luck either way and keep on flyin.


 
 
 

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Post by Steve Robert » Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> While you can make you own home grown extended pylon........is it worth
> the risk of damage to your pylon, your boat, and whoever is riding in the
> boat?  Best advice
> I can offer is that if you do make it, look at whats out there, and work
> with a machine shop to build it.  What it all boils down to how you value
> you personal time to research how to build it, your safety...are you
> willing to experiment on how to make it, and as always your pocket book.
> But be realistic about it, weigh the cost of buying a pylon that is backed
> by the manufacturer and TESTED, verses spending your own personal time
> trying to figure out how to build it, driving around to buy the materials,
> building it....and making sure it works.  Sounds like a hell of a lot of
> time which could be better spent on the water.  (even if you had to work
> some extra hours to cover the extra cost of the pylon.....I still think
> you'll come out ahead.)  Its how you value your time I guess.  But good
> luck either way and keep on flyin.



Man you'd think you are describing making an airchair or something.  This is a
single peice of aluminum 3" outside diameter 2.5" inside diameter? You need a
machine shop to drill 2 holes? You don't need the top turned. All you do is
get one of those ski hooks out of Overtons and bolt it to the top. You tie the
ski rope to it and use it as a stop for the straps which go to the front of
your boat. In fact as important or more than building the pole is building the
strap. Some of the stuff really stretches and should be avoided. This has got
to be setup right to keep any pole vertical under pulls by big guys. I
actually incorporated a block and tackle (raised the price of my unit by a
whole $15) to insure that I get all the stretch out of the strap.

"Hell of a lot time"? I called 3 s***metal places (they sell it by the
pound). Called a tent and awning outfit and specified my strap. Stopped by
Sears for the B&T. And picked up a ski hook. (Can be ordered from Overtons.)
Picked up the tube and strap, drilled the holes and installed the hook.

I spend more time fine tuning the wing on my fin on my ski.

STANDARD DISCLAIMERS APPLY. SOME PEOPLE CAN HOSE ANYTHING UP! IF YOU BUILD ONE
IT WASN'T MY IDEA.

steve(never pays retail for anything)roberts

Hey and if you got an old wakeboard and a welder you can make your own
airchair for a under 200 bucks.

 
 
 

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Post by PERFS » Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Hey Steve,
I admire the confidence you have in your ability to  build a pylon and do
it for next to nothing..........Its my own lack of "mechanical" skills
that holds me back.  But alot of my concern comes from the people who come
in who want to build stuff like this and don't think through the
situation.  Example

    Bubba and his brother come in.....they've been watching Byerly bustin
on his skylon in "Hit It" and they decide its time to build a 10-foot pole
for their 16' Bayliner with a 7' beam.  So they drill a hole in the floor
board jam a pole in,***in supports to the gunnals, and a cable to the
lift ring.  "Hell yeah, we've got one of those big ole poles".......And
the boys are off.

O.K.....this is a little extreme of an example.....but I get these type of
customers  daily,  who don't really think through the consequences of
their actions, and potentially will hold others at fault because they
weren't properly warned about the risks they were taking building their
own pylon, and how their engineering can not only***up their boat, but
possibly***them up.  Its like they risk their and their friends safety
to save a couple hundred bucks......While thats a deal in alot of peoples
books.......I just cant see it.

But I do applaud your craftsmanship....there are alot of guys who can
build any thing, they think through problems logically and safely, but
unfortunately the other percentage who don't think.........they scare the
"poop" out of me.   Good luck with your riding.  Hope your flyin high.

Bill
P.S.:  "Just how do you adjust that little "spoiler dealy" under the
ski??"

 
 
 

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Post by BORDEN10 » Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:00:00


writes:

Quote:

>> They had some pretty thick PVC pipe there also...a lot cheaper than the
>> aluminum.  Maybe I could stiffen the PVC pipe and make it work and
>really
>> save a wad of money.  

>Right on!!!  or what about even those cardboard tubes wrapping paper
comes
>on - a few of those taped together and you're G O L D E N!  (just make
>sure you use pretty strong tape).  

No....bad idea.     Previous testing has proved these are NOT the
solution, even with adequate duct tape.  We encounted a rain shower and
the tubes flexed too much.  

PVC Pipe..... bad idea too.  Further testing is driving us toward higher
technology.  
Perhaps next week I will "borrow" the pipe my street sign is on.  
Personal safety is of little concern.  If we can save a couple of bucks,
then we have beaten the Capitalistic system.  

bl

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Robert » Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> P.S.:  "Just how do you adjust that little "spoiler dealy" under the
> ski??"

First of all its hard to do while you are skiing <GRIN> (although I have seen
dynamically adjustable fins)

It really depends on a lot of things and it depends on how you turn etc. I can
get mine set up perfectly and then go to another body of water and have to
adjust it. This has to do with the specific gravity of the water, I think. In
anycase perhaps you have noticed that you ride higher in some water than
others. I find that there is so much particulate goose poop in the local lake
that it is hard to sink. Whereas in the river on the other side of the state
the water is much looser.  Then again at some level, skiing turns into head
games anyway and it is hard to be subjective about why you make the tweaks you
do. The point is when you get it dialed in the water just speaks to you.

-steve-