Buying a slalom ski

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Alistair Smit » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 05:10:40


I want to buy a slalom ski, it is the first time I have purchased a ski
as I have been using the "club ski" for the last 2 seasons. I am
attempting the slalom course at slow speeds and can just about manage
it!!

Anybody any opinions on the following skis + bindings. My instructor
suggested I get a 67" ski (I am 158 pounds), but not all of the
following are available in that size.

connelly f3  vision pivot plates or stoker plates
connelly f2  vision pivot plates or stoker plates
ho asx carbon double animal or double venom
ho burner double animal or double venom
obrien siege contact double high wraps
obrien syncro double high wraps force or contact
obrien vision  contact double high wraps
kd 7000ct double cinch comp

Being based in Europe skis are expensive here so in a trip to Florida I
am going to buy my ski there, any places recommended in Miami or up to a
couple of hours north of miami?

cheers

Ali

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Nick Heckerso » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 06:50:03

I would suggest a 66".  I would go with the KD, it might give you a
little more time before you have to upgrade again.  Sorry I couldn't be
of more help as I am not all that familiar with those skis.

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Buying a slalom ski

Post by Deke deCastr » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:02:12


wrote on 3/29/01 2:50 PM:

Quote:
> I would suggest a 66".  I would go with the KD, it might give you a
> little more time before you have to upgrade again

...and a little more time learning the course!  The 67 will be good for the
lower speeds at this point and the trend is toward longer skis anyway.
What's your instructor think about the various models?
--
Deke deCastro


 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Peter Richard » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 06:16:07

IMHO: From your description of where you are in the learning curve,
you'd be better off with a more forgiving ski than with a
competition/high-performance ski.  Which model did your instructor suggest?

I don't know all the models you listed, but the Siege and the Carbon are
going to be highly sensitive to your input. And since your input isn't
that precise at this point, you may wind up in the weeds or stuck to the
bottom of the lake.

By all means get yourself a good ski, one that you can control
comfortably.  If it tires you out or frustrates you, however, then it's
counter-productive to your goals.  I.e., spending more money on a ski,
in this instance, might yield slower development, not faster
development.  You need water time more than anything, so a ski which
lets you stay out there longer, working and developing your skills, is
the one you need now.

And I'm no fan of double high-wraps for intermediates such as yourself.
Your foot muscles need to cultivate more feel for the ski's behavior.
Mapple uses just a rear toe strap screwed directly to the ski, and he
cuts the footbed out of the front boot so his skin is directly against
the ski.  That's gaining some sensitivity.  He's been known to do fairly
well in the course.

-- Pete

Quote:

> I want to buy a slalom ski, it is the first time I have purchased a ski
> as I have been using the "club ski" for the last 2 seasons. I am
> attempting the slalom course at slow speeds and can just about manage
> it!!

> Anybody any opinions on the following skis + bindings. My instructor
> suggested I get a 67" ski (I am 158 pounds), but not all of the
> following are available in that size.

> connelly f3  vision pivot plates or stoker plates
> connelly f2  vision pivot plates or stoker plates
> ho asx carbon double animal or double venom
> ho burner double animal or double venom
> obrien siege contact double high wraps
> obrien syncro double high wraps force or contact
> obrien vision  contact double high wraps
> kd 7000ct double cinch comp

> Being based in Europe skis are expensive here so in a trip to Florida I
> am going to buy my ski there, any places recommended in Miami or up to a
> couple of hours north of miami?

> cheers

> Ali

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Jeff R. Harmo » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 15:18:21


Quote:

> Being based in Europe skis are expensive here so in a trip to Florida I
> am going to buy my ski there, any places recommended in Miami or up to a
> couple of hours north of miami?

If your tripping to Florida trip through a school and try some on for
size (if you will).  You learn something about technique and the various
skis and feel good taking home your favorite.

JR

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Marc Karstaed » Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:13:35

Give the HO ASX a try and a hard look. You may be very pleasantly suprised.

m


Quote:
> I want to buy a slalom ski, it is the first time I have purchased a ski
> as I have been using the "club ski" for the last 2 seasons. I am
> attempting the slalom course at slow speeds and can just about manage
> it!!

> Anybody any opinions on the following skis + bindings. My instructor
> suggested I get a 67" ski (I am 158 pounds), but not all of the
> following are available in that size.

> connelly f3  vision pivot plates or stoker plates
> connelly f2  vision pivot plates or stoker plates
> ho asx carbon double animal or double venom
> ho burner double animal or double venom
> obrien siege contact double high wraps
> obrien syncro double high wraps force or contact
> obrien vision  contact double high wraps
> kd 7000ct double cinch comp

> Being based in Europe skis are expensive here so in a trip to Florida I
> am going to buy my ski there, any places recommended in Miami or up to a
> couple of hours north of miami?

> cheers

> Ali

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Alistair Smit » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 05:43:29

Thanks for the input Pete

Quote:

> IMHO: From your description of where you are in the learning curve,
> you'd be better off with a more forgiving ski than with a
> competition/high-performance ski.  Which model did your instructor suggest?

He suggested the KD.

Quote:

> I don't know all the models you listed, but the Siege and the Carbon are
> going to be highly sensitive to your input. And since your input isn't
> that precise at this point, you may wind up in the weeds or stuck to the
> bottom of the lake.

I listed skis without knowing a lot about them, so if you think the
siege and the carbon are going to be too sensitive for me you are
probably right!

Quote:

> By all means get yourself a good ski, one that you can control
> comfortably.  If it tires you out or frustrates you, however, then it's
> counter-productive to your goals.  I.e., spending more money on a ski,
> in this instance, might yield slower development, not faster
> development.  You need water time more than anything, so a ski which
> lets you stay out there longer, working and developing your skills, is
> the one you need now.

In your opinion is there any on the list which would let me do this?

Quote:

> And I'm no fan of double high-wraps for intermediates such as yourself.
> Your foot muscles need to cultivate more feel for the ski's behavior.
> Mapple uses just a rear toe strap screwed directly to the ski, and he
> cuts the footbed out of the front boot so his skin is directly against
> the ski.  That's gaining some sensitivity.  He's been known to do fairly
> well in the course.

I find my rear foot lifting and turning slightly just with the rear toe
plate so I wanted it fastened in, tried once with someone elses ski and
it felt much better.

cheers

Ali

Quote:

> -- Pete


> > I want to buy a slalom ski, it is the first time I have purchased a ski
> > as I have been using the "club ski" for the last 2 seasons. I am
> > attempting the slalom course at slow speeds and can just about manage
> > it!!

> > Anybody any opinions on the following skis + bindings. My instructor
> > suggested I get a 67" ski (I am 158 pounds), but not all of the
> > following are available in that size.

> > connelly f3  vision pivot plates or stoker plates
> > connelly f2  vision pivot plates or stoker plates
> > ho asx carbon double animal or double venom
> > ho burner double animal or double venom
> > obrien siege contact double high wraps
> > obrien syncro double high wraps force or contact
> > obrien vision  contact double high wraps
> > kd 7000ct double cinch comp

> > Being based in Europe skis are expensive here so in a trip to Florida I
> > am going to buy my ski there, any places recommended in Miami or up to a
> > couple of hours north of miami?

> > cheers

> > Ali

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Alistair Smit » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 05:38:12

Quote:


> wrote on 3/29/01 2:50 PM:

> > I would suggest a 66".  I would go with the KD, it might give you a
> > little more time before you have to upgrade again

> ...and a little more time learning the course!  The 67 will be good for the
> lower speeds at this point and the trend is toward longer skis anyway.
> What's your instructor think about the various models?
> --
> Deke deCastro


Haven't seen my instructor since the end of last season!! Was planning
to give him a call before I went to Florida.

cheers

Ali

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Alistair Smit » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 05:44:16

Any recommendations in Florida?

cheers

Ali

Quote:



> > Being based in Europe skis are expensive here so in a trip to Florida I
> > am going to buy my ski there, any places recommended in Miami or up to a
> > couple of hours north of miami?

> If your tripping to Florida trip through a school and try some on for
> size (if you will).  You learn something about technique and the various
> skis and feel good taking home your favorite.

> JR

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Peter Richard » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 06:02:11

Quote:
> In your opinion is there any on the list which would let me do this?

Sorry, but I'm really not up on all the different models.  Catalogs such
as Overtons usually have some sort of ranking system to classify the
various skis.

Quote:
> I find my rear foot lifting and turning slightly just with the rear toe
> plate so I wanted it fastened in, tried once with someone elses ski and
> it felt much better.

True enough.  But another way to look at this might be: Learn the proper
form and develop the appropriate balance so this WON'T happen.  That's
just my prejudice.  Again, I'm not a believer in using a hardware fix
for a technique problem.  Of course, I learned to ski on a*** Pope,
Jr., before hardware existed!

Good luck -- and don't spend too much!

-- Pete

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Tom Rut » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 06:12:28

On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:02:11 -0400, Peter Richards

...

Quote:
>True enough.  But another way to look at this might be: Learn the proper
>form and develop the appropriate balance so this WON'T happen.  

I've had surprisingly good success teaching folks to start both feet
in and ski that way.  Maybe due to better rear foot control?

Quote:
>That's
>just my prejudice.  Again, I'm not a believer in using a hardware fix
>for a technique problem.  Of course, I learned to ski on a*** Pope,
>Jr., before hardware existed!

Yes, and I'm sure you had to hold the rope in your teeth, sharks
nipping at your keel <grin>

Tom

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Don Belfe » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:33:47

Joel and Michele McClintock have a ski school and shop in West Palm where
you can try before you buy, run the course, and get the ski set up right for
you.  Limited selection of brands, though.  He might be able to find you
whatever you want to try.  Definitely worth a telephone call or email.  Just
under 2 hours driving time from Miami.

http://www.palmbeachwatersports.com/proshop.html

Don


Quote:
> Any recommendations in Florida?

> cheers

> Ali




> > > Being based in Europe skis are expensive here so in a trip to Florida
I
> > > am going to buy my ski there, any places recommended in Miami or up to
a
> > > couple of hours north of miami?

> > If your tripping to Florida trip through a school and try some on for
> > size (if you will).  You learn something about technique and the various
> > skis and feel good taking home your favorite.

> > JR

 
 
 

Buying a slalom ski

Post by Jeff R. Harmo » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:02:54


Quote:

> Any recommendations in Florida?

Not a clue but I'm sure you get some names from others here.