Tige' Rider's Edition -vs- Super Air Nautique

Tige' Rider's Edition -vs- Super Air Nautique

Post by Freakalo » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00


My friend and I have decided to buy a new  for wakeboarding.  We have
narrowed it down to the the Tige' and the super air Nautique.  We will
be doing demos of both boats on Saturday.  So far by what we have seen
and read is the nautique drives better but the tige' is much larger,
passenger friendly boat and has better wakes and wake control(and is
slightly less expensive).

We not going out to be experts, just to enjoy ourselves.  So far, it
just seems like u get a lot more boat with the tige'.  For christ's
sakes, the beam is a whole 9 inches wider the the nautique, there's
way more storage, no need to mess with ballast tanks and it seems more
like an all around kinda boat.

Anyone out there have experience with both boats?  What do u think?
Guess we'll know for sure by saturday, but I'm just so e***d :)

 
 
 

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Post by HWallace » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I don't know much about wakeboarding but...you should look at the Malibu
Wakesetter before you purshase.  The boarders around here love it.  I ran 38'
off behind it one afternoon.  It skis great.  shocked me because it skied so
well.

 
 
 

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Post by Big Dav1 » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>My friend and I have decided to buy a new  for wakeboarding.  We have
>narrowed it down to the the Tige' and the super air Nautique.  We will
>be doing demos of both boats on Saturday.

Good move

.> So far by what we have seen

Quote:
>and read is the nautique drives better but the tige' is much larger,
>passenger friendly boat and has better wakes and wake control(and is
>slightly less expensive).

"Slightly" would be a key word here as the price is VERY close. These are the
two most expensive V-drives out there. Both are over $40k on the trailer. There
are some much better values out there IMO.

Quote:
> What do u think?

Not that plywood stringer arguement again. I have one small piece of XL plywood
in my "all fiberglass boat". It is the removable piece of the floor that gives
you access to the bilge. After three years that section of floor is like
walking across a ***oline. I am very UNIMPRESSED! with greenwood XL. Of
course it has a warranty but the Tige's whole stringer system is made of this
stuff. If I was to buy one of the boats you are looking at; One choice- Correct
Craft.

 
 
 

Tige' Rider's Edition -vs- Super Air Nautique

Post by Scott Bennet » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
> My friend and I have decided to buy a new  for wakeboarding.  We have
> narrowed it down to the the Tige' and the super air Nautique.

Is there a reputable Malibu dealer around there?  If so check out the
Sunsetter/WakeSetter V-drive models.

If not your choices are a start.  Really look at them though.
Construction, materials, longevity, resale - not just the bells and
whistles.

Quote:
> We will be doing demos of both boats on Saturday.

A side by side comparisions would be good.  Just remember that they're
apples and oranges.

Quote:
> So far by what we have seen and read is the nautique drives better but
> the tige' is much larger,

Watch the width.  Depending on your state there are limits on trailer
width and may require a custom trailer.  Ask your dealer.

I have heard and experienced the Tige' having trouble holding speeds (it's
a big boat, I know).  Lots of throttle adjustment to maintain a constant
speed.  My demo had the 350mag MPI.

Quote:
> passenger friendly boat

L10 reported that the engine noise in the Tige' was quiet and overall user
friendly.  They didn't mention the other noises it makes.  My test ride in
the Tige' included a rattling tower, groaning hull, vibes in the mirror.
This has been commented on before.  IMO these are important things to
notice, but I'm picky.

Quote:
> and has better wakes

On your demo ride look for turbulence in the wake.  I didn't pay attention
to it at first until someone pointed it out.  Also you'll notice that the
wake to wake distance is much wider than the CC SA.  I checked from 80' to
50', it's wider.

Quote:
> We not going out to be experts, just to enjoy ourselves.

Go for it, that's what it's all about <g>.  Consider yourself lucky to be
able to own a boat like one of these.  Have fun.

Quote:
> So far, it just seems like u get a lot more boat with the tige'.  For
> christ's
> sakes, the beam is a whole 9 inches wider the the nautique, there's
> way more storage, no need to mess with ballast tanks and it seems more
> like an all around kinda boat.

Sounds like you've made your decision already <g>.

All around boat?  IMO the Tige' slalom wake doesn't come close to the CC
SA wake above 25mph.  I remember it being very wide at 34 and 0 off.  At
34 and 15 off, a rooster tail was present.

Quote:
> Anyone out there have experience with both boats?  What do u think?

Tige' has wood in it, it's harder to drive, non static hull, and noisy.

Price wise the CC will be slightly more.  I have several friends who have
the SS/Super Air.  They swear by it.

Quote:
> Guess we'll know for sure by saturday, but I'm just so e***d :)

I'm sure.  Honestly make yourself calm down.  Really look at them both and
if possible demo the Malibu.

These are my comments and others will definitely argue them.  I hope this
helps.

Scott

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Sandova » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Both boats are great but you need to realize one thing in the end. That is
when you are ready for another new boat, the Tige' boat will not have the
resale value that the CC has. If they are close within a couple of
thousand dollars then go with the CC.
I owned a Tige' and when I went to get another boat, a non-Tige' brand I
took it in the shorts.
They are good quality boats but they don't any resale. They are good if
you want to keep them forever. I am not trying to start a flame!

Quote:

> My friend and I have decided to buy a new  for wakeboarding.  We have
> narrowed it down to the the Tige' and the super air Nautique.  We will
> be doing demos of both boats on Saturday.  So far by what we have seen
> and read is the nautique drives better but the tige' is much larger,
> passenger friendly boat and has better wakes and wake control(and is
> slightly less expensive).

> We not going out to be experts, just to enjoy ourselves.  So far, it
> just seems like u get a lot more boat with the tige'.  For christ's
> sakes, the beam is a whole 9 inches wider the the nautique, there's
> way more storage, no need to mess with ballast tanks and it seems more
> like an all around kinda boat.

> Anyone out there have experience with both boats?  What do u think?
> Guess we'll know for sure by saturday, but I'm just so e***d :)

--
Paul
 
 
 

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Post by CAIL » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

email pete at www.wakecentral.com , he rides both on a regular basis there is
only one logical choice . pete will tell you honestly
 
 
 

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Post by Todd Zaug » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I've driven both, ridden both, had them side by side for performance tests
(our own) and skied both.  The Tige is miserable in a couple of areas of
performance that would really bother me.

For instance, the Tige is exceptionally slow out of the hole (look at the WS
buyers guide...the Premiere pontoon beat all Tiges to 36mph), also, the Tige
has a choppy foamy wake that is far from the standards set by the other
manufacturers.  The tower is a joke!!!  It bounces around like it's made of
*** bands, has little structural rigidity  (tower diving test), and
sounds as if it is going to come apart if your crossing any waves, including
your own.  Don't forget that that width (beam) you're so enthralled with
doesn't just give you more storage, it diminishes wake size.

That's right, think about this one for a second.  The shape of the hull and
the weight of the boat,  (and the amount of it in the water (psi)) is what
will make 90% of the wake characteristics (water depth and temp. and
propeller size and pitch will account for most of the rest).  With these
items in mind, how will reducing your psi (wider reduces the pressure on the
hull) give you a larger wake.  It won't!!!  Don't throw taps in here as the
answer, cause it's not.  Ask any pro rider if they add sacks to their
Tiges...every single one of them does.  Dropping a plate into the water like
a flap on a wing will create lift not drag.  If they try to say
otherwise...ask them to explain the physics.  It doesn't work that way.
That's why the wake is foamy and choppy.  The guys I know run no plate, and
just sacks.

producers of ballast's systems have made a fortune on these physical
properties.  A sack will increase the weight of your boat there-by drag.
That's one of the reasons a 2001 Nautique is known for such an enormous
wake.  It has a 84 inch beam, with a modified V chine and weighs in at
2400lbs.  If you add sacks,  you'll increase the weight, there-by the psi on
the hull and with that the wake.   If I were to widen that boat...I would
need to add more sacks in order to compensate for the reduced psi just to
get it back to the original wake.  In other words, wider is not better for
the wake...it's just  better for the storage.  The Super Air has more than
enough storage for anyone.  To add more storage at the cost of a better wake
is not the way to go in my opinion.

Lastly, cost...I own a Super Air, and I know what my friend paid for his
Riders Edition...the MSRP is higher on the Tige...but we paid about the
same.

Once you drive them both, you will know a Tige is not on the same field as a
Super Air.   For the same money, there is no comparison.  CC all the way,
even if it did cost 10k more (which is what most people will swear to).

Enjoy your test drives, and good luck!!!

Quote:

>Both boats are great but you need to realize one thing in the end. That is
>when you are ready for another new boat, the Tige' boat will not have the
>resale value that the CC has. If they are close within a couple of
>thousand dollars then go with the CC.
>I owned a Tige' and when I went to get another boat, a non-Tige' brand I
>took it in the shorts.
>They are good quality boats but they don't any resale. They are good if
>you want to keep them forever. I am not trying to start a flame!


>> My friend and I have decided to buy a new  for wakeboarding.  We have
>> narrowed it down to the the Tige' and the super air Nautique.  We will
>> be doing demos of both boats on Saturday.  So far by what we have seen
>> and read is the nautique drives better but the tige' is much larger,
>> passenger friendly boat and has better wakes and wake control(and is
>> slightly less expensive).

>> We not going out to be experts, just to enjoy ourselves.  So far, it
>> just seems like u get a lot more boat with the tige'.  For christ's
>> sakes, the beam is a whole 9 inches wider the the nautique, there's
>> way more storage, no need to mess with ballast tanks and it seems more
>> like an all around kinda boat.

>> Anyone out there have experience with both boats?  What do u think?
>> Guess we'll know for sure by saturday, but I'm just so e***d :)

>--
>Paul

 
 
 

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Post by Freakalo » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>Is there a reputable Malibu dealer around there?  If so check out the
>Sunsetter/WakeSetter V-drive models.

Yeah but we have narrowed it down to these two boats.  We would just
go ahead and buy the CC but the Tige' looks like two boats in one.

Quote:
>If not your choices are a start.  Really look at them though.
>Construction, materials, longevity, resale - not just the bells and
>whistles.

We're the type who will use a boat for about 5 years or so and move on
to another.  Used Tige's seem to hold their value around these
parts(Austin)...of course CC maintain their value the best from what
we have seen.

Quote:
>Watch the width.  Depending on your state there are limits on trailer
>width and may require a custom trailer.  Ask your dealer.

Looked into it, it's all good.

Quote:
>I have heard and experienced the Tige' having trouble holding speeds (it's
>a big boat, I know).  Lots of throttle adjustment to maintain a constant
>speed.  My demo had the 350mag MPI.

We were think of getting the cruise control option if we went with the
Tige'.  Would that solve that problem?

Quote:

>L10 reported that the engine noise in the Tige' was quiet and overall user
>friendly.  They didn't mention the other noises it makes.  My test ride in
>the Tige' included a rattling tower, groaning hull, vibes in the mirror.
>This has been commented on before.  IMO these are important things to
>notice, but I'm picky.

Interesting

Quote:
>On your demo ride look for turbulence in the wake.  I didn't pay attention
>to it at first until someone pointed it out.  Also you'll notice that the
>wake to wake distance is much wider than the CC SA.  I checked from 80' to
>50', it's wider.

i'll check it out. wakeworld rated the wakes pretty smooth in
comparison with the other boats reviewed(including the pro air
nautique).

Quote:
>Sounds like you've made your decision already <g>.

Well our decision would be with the CC but we would really get a lot
of use out of a bigger boat.  Our minds our not made up yet.

Quote:

>All around boat?  IMO the Tige' slalom wake doesn't come close to the CC
>SA wake above 25mph.  I remember it being very wide at 34 and 0 off.  At
>34 and 15 off, a rooster tail was present.

Well I meant more in the way of just*** out on the lake.  That's
why we have narrowed it down to these two boats.  I'm sure the CC is a
better boat to ride behind.  From what I have heard it performs much
better.  The Tige' has other selling points like it's size, passenger
friendliness and wake control.

Quote:
>I'm sure.  Honestly make yourself calm down.  Really look at them both and
>if possible demo the Malibu.

I'll try to contain myself :)
 
 
 

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Post by Freakalo » Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>"Slightly" would be a key word here as the price is VERY close. These are the
>two most expensive V-drives out there. Both are over $40k on the trailer. There
>are some much better values out there IMO.

Actually we priced a bunch of boats.

CC= 43K
Tige'=38K
MC(X-Star)=43K
Malibu(wakesetter)=37K

 
 
 

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Post by thaye.. » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I'm going through the same angst here - what to get for a boat for
wakeboarding etc.  I have .01 to weigh in with since I've tested the
Tige RE but not the Nautique.  I loved the Tige wake, took all of the
work out of getting in the air.  I'm a novice and my form got better in
a second and stayed with me back to our old, low wake i/o.  Of course
then we found out the Tige, which had 5 people riding, also had 700 lbs
of weight in it.  No wonder we got a wake!  But we also really liked
the huge***pit, loved the 3 piece engine and storage lid and the
tower didn't rattle on us. We did notice the inside of the wake was
turbulent and landing on the uphill backsides of the wakes wasn't fun.

By contrast we found the Maristar 210vrs to be well made too, but you
couldn't store the board in the compartments next to the engine, the
windshield wrapped around tight on the shotgun passenger so you felt
like your head would hit it and the wake was rounded at the top and not
that big.  'Course we didn't have weight in the boat.  Cranking the
Maristar around to pick up the boarder was a little work too.

The Ski Centurion Elite V drive Air Warrior was very quick and the wake
had a nice lip at the top.  Filling the ballast tank, which is done
from a switch at the driver's seat, made the wakes bigger although the
shape felt a little abrupt, or I just didn't adjust.  The boat slammed
a bit off the waves and the tower really rattled and shook when you
were doing 40.

Tomorrow we test the Malibu Sunsetter VLX Wakesetter which from the
other posts here, I expect we'll like, although I wish the***pit were
a bit bigger and that the Wedge were available with the VLX.

All of the Tige criticisms may be valid, but I still drool when I look
at the brochure and think about the amount of room in the***pit and
that wake (even if it was the sand and not the boat)...

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Post by DOUG-PAR.. » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00



Quote:

> >Is there a reputable Malibu dealer around there?  If so check out the
> >Sunsetter/WakeSetter V-drive models.

> Yeah but we have narrowed it down to these two boats.  We would just
> go ahead and buy the CC but the Tige' looks like two boats in one.

> >If not your choices are a start.  Really look at them though.
> >Construction, materials, longevity, resale - not just the bells and
> >whistles.

> We're the type who will use a boat for about 5 years or so and move on
> to another.  Used Tige's seem to hold their value around these
> parts(Austin)...of course CC maintain their value the best from what
> we have seen.

> >Watch the width.  Depending on your state there are limits on trailer
> >width and may require a custom trailer.  Ask your dealer.

> Looked into it, it's all good.

> >I have heard and experienced the Tige' having trouble holding speeds
(it's
> >a big boat, I know).  Lots of throttle adjustment to maintain a
constant
> >speed.  My demo had the 350mag MPI.

> We were think of getting the cruise control option if we went with the
> Tige'.  Would that solve that problem?

> >L10 reported that the engine noise in the Tige' was quiet and
overall user
> >friendly.  They didn't mention the other noises it makes.  My test
ride in
> >the Tige' included a rattling tower, groaning hull, vibes in the
mirror.
> >This has been commented on before.  IMO these are important things to
> >notice, but I'm picky.

> Interesting

> >On your demo ride look for turbulence in the wake.  I didn't pay
attention
> >to it at first until someone pointed it out.  Also you'll notice
that the
> >wake to wake distance is much wider than the CC SA.  I checked from
80' to
> >50', it's wider.

> i'll check it out. wakeworld rated the wakes pretty smooth in
> comparison with the other boats reviewed(including the pro air
> nautique).

> >Sounds like you've made your decision already <g>.

> Well our decision would be with the CC but we would really get a lot
> of use out of a bigger boat.  Our minds our not made up yet.

> >All around boat?  IMO the Tige' slalom wake doesn't come close to
the CC
> >SA wake above 25mph.  I remember it being very wide at 34 and 0
off.  At
> >34 and 15 off, a rooster tail was present.

> Well I meant more in the way of just*** out on the lake.  That's
> why we have narrowed it down to these two boats.  I'm sure the CC is a
> better boat to ride behind.  From what I have heard it performs much
> better.  The Tige' has other selling points like it's size, passenger
> friendliness and wake control.

> >I'm sure.  Honestly make yourself calm down.  Really look at them
both and
> >if possible demo the Malibu.

> I'll try to contain myself :)

Before you buy.  Please read the LEVEL 10 Performance report.
For the last two years Tige' Has won WAKEBOARD Boat of the Year.
Now I didn't say SKIBOAT I Said WAKEBOARD Boat.

I tested all the so called Wakeboard boats out there and I agreed with
the the Level 10 performane report.  So much that I bought a Tige' 21V
Riders Edition.

So far it has been the perfect Wakeboard boat.

One last thought, you can add weigth to it and it does produce a bigger
wake.  But you can do that with any other wakeboard boat.  All I can
say is with out the extra weight the wake is still bigger than other
wakeboard boats with add weight.  That includes the CC.

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Post by Scott Bennet » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
> Before you buy.  Please read the LEVEL 10 Performance report.
> For the last two years Tige' Has won WAKEBOARD Boat of the Year.
> Now I didn't say SKIBOAT I Said WAKEBOARD Boat.

...and who sponsored the tests each year?  Did you notice that it tested the
CC Pro Air not the CC SA?  Hardly a true comparision.  They did test the M
Wakesetter direct _and_ Wakesetter V drives though.

Scott

 
 
 

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Post by Doug Meredit » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00

It is my understanding  that wake "size" has nothing to do with the
ability of the boat to be a good wake board boat.  It is the hardness,
and shape that count.  If you have a 5 foot high wake, that is "soft",
than the board will just go through it, and not give you the pop that
you need to get the air everyone wants.

Doug

Quote:
> One last thought, you can add weigth to it and it does produce a
bigger
> wake.  But you can do that with any other wakeboard boat.  All I can
> say is with out the extra weight the wake is still bigger than other
> wakeboard boats with add weight.  That includes the CC.