What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by Jean-Michel BRU » Sat, 02 Jul 1994 16:36:40


Hi,

Can anybody tell me if Mark Allen was at Nice' triathlon?
If yes what happens to him ?
If not why ?

Thanks in advance.

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What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by Tri1 » Mon, 04 Jul 1994 11:07:01


Quote:
BRUEL) writes:

Mark Allen is banned form all ITU events. Nice was an ITU race this
year

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by David LaPorte (Bioch » Mon, 04 Jul 1994 21:36:49

Quote:

>Mark Allen is banned form all ITU events. Nice was an ITU race this
>year

Why is he banned?

Dave LaPorte
U. Minn.


 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by Ronald Lee Renwi » Tue, 05 Jul 1994 10:30:05



Quote:

>Why is he banned?

He competed in the Australian race that was fueding with ITU about *world
cup* titles or some other legal snafu.  As such any pro who raced would
not be able to race at ITU events: Mark Allen, Mike Pigg and Scott Tinley
raced and are banned from ITU.  Triathlete has a much better description
than I can give.  From what I remember from last Winter Mark Allen was
not even planning on returning to Nice anyhow.

Does anyone know how long these guys are banned from ITU competition?

RLR

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by Tri1 » Tue, 05 Jul 1994 12:42:04



I think they  are banned for at least this year. Tri mag has good
coverage about the whole snafu in the St. Anthon'y race story and in
the front section.
Tri-Fed/USA  is not enforcing the ITU ban. (Yea Tri-Fed!!!)
 I hear Mike Pigg is going to be allowed to race at the ITU's NCC
triathlon.
Maybe the ITU is losing support internationally. Should be
interesting...

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by SZA » Wed, 06 Jul 1994 05:19:01


Quote:
(Tri123) writes:

Mark's not going to Nice has nothing to do with the ITU ban. Mark
will tell you he will never do Nice again. Why tempt fate and risk a
perfect record. Now that the event is in the hands of the French
Federation there are no apearance fees, so why risk all for nothing.
Also, Mark is trying to break 8 hrs at Ironman Roth and then he will
try to make the Olympic qualifying time for the marathon in Berlin in
September. No more triathlons after Roth.

SZAG

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by SZA » Wed, 06 Jul 1994 05:22:01



Until December 31, 1994. They were notified that any athlete who
competed in a self proclaimed "World" title event would be banned
from the 13 ITU sanctioned events for the year. Tinley, Allen and
Pigg raced for appearance fees while the rest of the pros in the
world sat it out in support of the ITU. How may titles does boxing
have?

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by SZA » Wed, 06 Jul 1994 05:25:03


Quote:
(Tri123) writes:

All of the prize money in Cleveland is for the ITU World Cup. Pigg
will not be allowed to race in that wave. he can compete in the wave
with the age group athletes who are trying to make the US National
Team as can Tinley and Allen. As for the ITU losing support, think
globally....the ITU has 107 affiliated National Governing Bodies
around the world...Tri Fed USA is but one. Chicken hearted though
they may be.
 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by Pat Br » Wed, 06 Jul 1994 23:08:17

Quote:


> (Tri123) writes:

> All of the prize money in Cleveland is for the ITU World Cup. Pigg
> will not be allowed to race in that wave....

Wouldn't have made much more sense for the ITU to take some sort of
sanctions against the race director instead of the athletes?  The ITU has
been receiving a lot of bad press from some top international pros (mostly
from Australia and New Zealand) who chose (were forced) not to compete.

I understand the ITU's position about using the term "world" cavelierly.  A
few years ago it seems that every other U.S. race was deemed some
"championship" or another, with the net effect of diluting the term so
noadays it is almost meaningless (indistinguishable) from one event to the
next.

However, the ITU should have told the race director that if he/she misused
the term than they would not sanction his/her events for the next X number
of years.  As an extreme last resort, sponsors could have been involved.
The absolute worst course of action would be to bring sanctions against the
athletes.  This is what the ITU did.  Was this there last resort or a
silly, knee-jerk response?

--

Pat Brug, Ph.D.  
Los Alamos National Laboratory
"Home of the TriATOMICS"

compuserve:  72410, 3372        

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by SZA » Thu, 07 Jul 1994 05:35:03


Quote:
Brug) writes:

Pat:

Good point.

The ITU has a contract signed by the race director of the Austrailian
event from 1991 stating that they would no longer use the "World"
title in their name. They did not honor their agreement yet the ITU
still negotiated with them for three more years until this action was
taken. It was not taken lightly or without a lot of thought.

As for "banning". All of the elite athletes planning to participate
in the event in Australia were notified that the race was under
sanctions and that they would be suspended if they competed in a race
not in good standing with their Federation or the ITU. Tri Fed
Australia also refused to sanction the Gold Coast event for they did
not pay prize money equally to men and women which is in direct
conflict with the polocy of the ITU.

I know this all sounds like petty politics but if this sport is going
to go forward, it must have guidelines for elite competition. The ITU
supports and encourages grass roots participation by age group
athletes and also supports a far less restrictive approach to
participation by amateurs, but for elite, televised, sponsor driven,
Olympic type events, there has to be strict guidelines. The theory is
that if the sport prospers at the elite level, the grass roots will
benefit.

How many people came to triathlon having seen Julie Moss on ABC? How
many more will come after seeing Nate Llerandi represent the US in
the Goodwill Games on network television?

Just a theory........

SZAG

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by Tri1 » Sat, 09 Jul 1994 14:46:01

SZag: I think the Julie Moss episode is nothing to be compared with
llerandi at the upcoming Goodwill games.
Moss' classic crawl represented human courage and desire (though sometimes
i do think we should move on from that painful era). llerandi at Goodwill
games isOK but more of a commercial thing. I watched him at Osaka on TV
and it didn't do too much for me. Courage, desire?? Anyone can walk a 10k.

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by Pat Br » Sat, 09 Jul 1994 23:11:50



Quote:

> SZag: I think the Julie Moss episode is nothing to be compared with
> llerandi at the upcoming Goodwill games.
> Moss' classic crawl represented human courage and desire (though sometimes
> i do think we should move on from that painful era).

                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                          INDEED!

I would never want to take anything away from Julie; however... The media
fixation with this event has really harmed our sport as far as conveying to
the public that triathlon is a mainstream sport-- not a *freak show*.

I think the key to growth in our sport is coveying to the general public at
large that triathlons are fun/exciting for the average athlete.  We have
really missed the boat doing this especially with the media.  I think a lot
more people would give multi-sports a go if they weren't portrayed as such
intimidating events.  My personal goal has been to get one new athlete into
the sport (or at least to tri-it 1x) every year.  So far I have been
sucessful.  It definately detracts from my training schedule, but I feel
its worth it to make the sport fluorish.

Any other takers?
--

Pat Brug, Ph.D.  
Los Alamos National Laboratory
"Home of the TriATOMICS"

compuserve:  72410, 3372        

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by SZA » Sun, 10 Jul 1994 01:09:03


writes:

OK, OK, maybe Llerandi isn't a good example, but if you want crawling, how
about that Garrett McCarthy? The point I was making was that Ironman is
analgous to mountain climbing, a hell of an accomplishment but hardly
requisite of the athletiscism of say an Olympic marathon. Neither is good
or bad, just different.

I don't see why there can't be triathlon for everybody. Age groups,
endurance heads and sprinters as well as Olympians. One does not preclude
the other.

Whatchathink?

ZAG

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by SZA » Sun, 10 Jul 1994 01:10:04


Quote:
Brug) writes:

Way to go Pat!!!!

ZAG

 
 
 

What about Mark Allen at Nice ??

Post by JJS » Sun, 10 Jul 1994 06:07:07

My god! For once, i think i agree with this SZAG guy.

 This gruelathon freak-show thing is  mainstream media-generated. It seems
that triathlon is a sport that the mainstream media can't grasp. Check out
the Gatorade Sprint series or a Danskin race on cable TV.
Now that's something that can inspire people to take up the sport.