ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

Post by Kai Baumgartne » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:59:24


the ironman europe won't get the label IM in the year 2002. more information
in german:

http://www.3athlon.de/news/jahr2001/juni/roth.htm
http://www.3athlon.de/news/jahr2001/juni/roth_originalerklaerung.htm
http://www.3athlon.de/news/jahr2001/juni/roth_2002.htm

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gruss

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ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

Post by Kai Baumgartne » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:00:27

sorry subject wrong:
year 200><2<<, sorry :)

kai

 
 
 

ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

Post by trInI » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:18:01

Looks like money was the biggest issue. Triangle sports (Ironman Austria)
obviously was offering probably more money and/or was accepting the
restrictions regarding starter-field, starting-fees (very high) and
organisation (mass-start).
D. Kuehnel obviously was either not able or willing to accept the
"standards" set by the WTC.
Interesting twist. It just shows that even a deeply traditional race like
the IM germany is not "safe". I can't wait until they are going to sell the
IM world-championships to Japan..........

At least the race will be continued in 2002 without the IM title. But I
doubt that it will be around for another 5 years.....
There are just too many other very atractive long distance events in Europe.

trInIc


Quote:
> the ironman europe won't get the label IM in the year 2002. more
information
> in german:

> http://www.3athlon.de/news/jahr2001/juni/roth.htm
> http://www.3athlon.de/news/jahr2001/juni/roth_originalerklaerung.htm
> http://www.3athlon.de/news/jahr2001/juni/roth_2002.htm

> --
> gruss

> kai baumgartner [ www.3athlon.de ]/


 
 
 

ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

Post by Phil Squir » Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:12:30

Why?

(short) Translation please.

Phil


Quote:
> sorry subject wrong:
> year 200><2<<, sorry :)

> kai

 
 
 

ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

Post by Dan Empfiel » Sun, 01 Jul 2001 01:37:34


Quote:

> At least the race will be continued in 2002 without the IM title. But I
> doubt that it will be around for another 5 years.....
> There are just too many other very atractive long distance events in
> Europe.

there is an opportunity here, but i suspect it will be missed.  there
are a world of reasons why there ought to be more long-distance -- but
shorter than IM distance -- races.  kuhnel made (it is my guess) a LOT
of money in this sport during the last decade.  but we see how easily
one's milk cow can run dry.

roth, and oceanside, ought both to reorient themselves as something like
Nice-distance events.  there ought to be a new distance that is quasi-
standard, and i think Nice distance might be it.  Nice-Oceanside-Roth
would be a good start.

WTC has done a great job.  but so has microsoft.  nodoby wants to see
bad things happen to either.  both can generate a lot of cash for those
who do business with them.  but all that power in one set of hands is
dangerous for everyone (except that lone set of hands).

here is where these race directors get into trouble:  they only play
into WTC's hands when they make their unlicensed races the IM distance.  
so long as a race is either "IM distance" or a fraction thereof it will
always be subordinate to a "real" IM.  i wish fredericia had made itself
Nice-distance. it would be nice if some enterprising RDs got off that
treadmill.  

slowman

 
 
 

ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

Post by Kai Baumgartne » Sun, 01 Jul 2001 04:24:02



Quote:
> Why?

> (short) Translation please.

in 2001 in roth of course slots for ironman hawaii.

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ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

Post by gtti » Sun, 01 Jul 2001 06:57:38

Dan Empfield wrote

<snip>

Quote:
> slowman

The Ironman name is very powerful, but you are correct. Long Distance
Triathlons could do very well. Long Distance Championships at all levels
couls exist at a shorter distance. Nice is a very good example. I would
think USAT, ITU and other Federations would benefit and be willing to
sanction such races. If they had good prize money, and scheduled smartly in
relation to Hawaii and other IMs, Pro's would probably be willing to race
them.

Gulfcoast really has no connection to WTC now, and sold out early. It is an
example of a race that is very successful on its own. I would certainly be
willing to travel to nice locations, to do long distance races. I like
racing long, but do not want to do 3 IMs a year. It is hard to even find
Int. Distance races anymore. Choice of race sites would be very important.
Should be additional reasons to go, vacation type location.

Would be nice to see a long article in magazine or website to motivate RD's.
<hint hint>

Tim

 
 
 

ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

Post by Phil Squir » Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:57:52



Quote:


> > Why?

> > (short) Translation please.

> in 2001 in roth of course slots for ironman hawaii.

Sorry, I meant is there a reason on one of the German language links as to
why the race will not be WTC sanctioned? I can't speak or read German.

BTW while I was in Germany in 98, for the IM, I tried some of my school
German and everyone replied in English :-)

Phil

Quote:
> --
> Gruss
> ___[ Kai Baumgartner - Core ]___________
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ironman europe in roth 2001 no hawaiislots

Post by Kai Baumgartne » Sun, 01 Jul 2001 16:39:14



Quote:




Newsbeitrag

> > > Why?

i think dan has written in his posting some of the reasons. mr. kuehnel said
in his papers, that he would like to give the money, that he has usualilly
tospend  for WTC-licencing for the athletes, to come an start.

he also writes, that roth 2002 will life as before (all the sponsors, etc.)
but only without IM-logo an the other stuff.

sorry, but my english is not the best as well :)

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