Shame on NCC Cleveland (was no USAT Officials at Cleveland)

Shame on NCC Cleveland (was no USAT Officials at Cleveland)

Post by TriGu » Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Charlie Crawford pointed out that the race director for NCC Cleveland is
not interested in having USAT Officials at this high profile race. This
is the same race director would not allow wet suits when the nationals
were held in Cleveland several years ago. As I recall the water
temperature was measured by several agencies as being below 70 degrees.
The race director overruled and would not allow wet suits. As a result
several people had to be pulled out of the water due to hypothermia.

It now appears this same race director would rather condone drafting
then pop for the cost of course marshalls. It would seem that if RSTers,
including myself, were so damn upset with drafting at St. Anthony's that
many choose not to compete we should also voice our dissapproval at NCC
Cleveland for tacitly condoning drafting.

Bernie Sher

 
 
 

Shame on NCC Cleveland (was no USAT Officials at Cleveland)

Post by RWWE » Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:00:00

What tpye of RD is this? First a total disregard of USAT rules and
triathlete safety by not allowing wet suits in water temperature that
needed them and now not using Officials at a race?  Looks like the only
thing this RD cares about is how much money can be saved for his/her own
pocket.  Not mine though, looks like I will be going to Schu's instead.

Tri-On
The only legal draft should come from hops and barley.

WEB
(Robert Webster)
Great Lakes, IL
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/2891/index.html

 
 
 

Shame on NCC Cleveland (was no USAT Officials at Cleveland)

Post by Treemos » Thu, 17 Jul 1997 04:00:00

I for one will not attend that race now. Makes you kind of wonder just
what your USAT membership is for anyway.
What exactly does sanctioning by USAT get you?
Oh, I know, it gets you those officials who keep close tabs on people
putting on their helmets and buckling them before mounting the bike.
Uh, it gets you race results so you can see how well all your training
paid off against others in your age group. No, wait, they don't send them
out anymore. Sorry, I was just dreaming there for a moment.

 
 
 

Shame on NCC Cleveland (was no USAT Officials at Cleveland)

Post by Bruce Plat » Thu, 17 Jul 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I for one will not attend that race now. Makes you kind of wonder just

> what your USAT membership is for anyway.
> What exactly does sanctioning by USAT get you?
> Oh, I know, it gets you those officials who keep close tabs on people
> putting on their helmets and buckling them before mounting the bike.
> Uh, it gets you race results so you can see how well all your training

> paid off against others in your age group. No, wait, they don't send
> them
> out anymore. Sorry, I was just dreaming there for a moment.

   Sanctioning does not include USAT Officials automatically the RD must
request officials and pay for them seperate from the sanction
application.

TriRef

 
 
 

Shame on NCC Cleveland (was no USAT Officials at Cleveland)

Post by c.. » Thu, 17 Jul 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Charlie Crawford pointed out that the race director for NCC Cleveland is
>not interested in having USAT Officials at this high profile race.

Isn't NCC Cleveland put on by Pacific Sports? I seem to recall that Pacific
Sports does a lot of work for the ITU. Therefore, this doesn't surprise me.

Just my $.02

Chris

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Shame on NCC Cleveland (was no USAT Officials at Cleveland)

Post by Charles J Crawfo » Fri, 18 Jul 1997 04:00:00

: > I for one will not attend that race now. Makes you kind of wonder just
: >
: > what your USAT membership is for anyway.
: > What exactly does sanctioning by USAT get you?

For one thing, Ken, it gets you notified if a RD decides to do less than
what we recommend.  The majority of USAT sanctioned race directors take
advantage of the availability of officials and elect to use them.  Why? -
Because most triathletes want a fairly judged event.  What do you want?

: > Oh, I know, it gets you those officials who keep close tabs on people
: > putting on their helmets and buckling them before mounting the bike.

Hey Ken, now you are talking about the basic insurance coverage and
liability of the RD.  Remember, if the RD has one or more legal claims
against him, the race will cease to exist.  Is that what you want?  Is
the fact that transition VOLUNTEERS are making too much noise reminding
people to put on their helmets just too intrusive for you?  You might
note that there are very few if any chinstrap calls relative to the total
penalty list in a triathlon.  I would say that the volunteers are doing a
good job.  And, if they SAVE ONE LIFE in a thousand races, it is worth it
to hear the chatter.

: > Uh, it gets you race results so you can see how well all your training
: > paid off against others in your age group. No, wait, they don't send
: > them
: > out anymore. Sorry, I was just dreaming there for a moment.

Ken, if a race director doesn't send out results, complain to him.  If
your car doesn't work properly do you complain about your insurance
carrier?  

USAT does a lot for the average triathlete.  The most visible thing as
far as i am concerned, is that it is the only organization that
absolutely stands against drafting and provides trained, certified
referees who are able to stop it or penalize it.

USAT is a democraticly run NF, unlike some organizations.  As such, its
Board of Directors , elected by you the triathlete, decided some years
ago that USAT would not REQUIRE Race Directors to have officials.  I
would not have beem that lenient, had I been a Director, but again, USAT
is operated democraticly.  Race Directors choose to have officials, and
you choose which race you will pay your money to attend.

Frankly, I would not choose to race at one where the RD chose not to have
officials any more than I would choose to race an unsanctioned event.  In
both cases the races are going to be draft-legal.

-Charlie Crawford

 
 
 

Shame on NCC Cleveland (was no USAT Officials at Cleveland)

Post by Treemos » Sat, 19 Jul 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>: > Uh, it gets you race results so you can see how well all your
training
>: > paid off against others in your age group. No, wait, they don't send
>: > them
>: > out anymore. Sorry, I was just dreaming there for a moment.

>Ken, if a race director doesn't send out results, complain to him.  If
>your car doesn't work properly do you complain about your insurance
>carrier?  

Sorry about the previous tirade Charlie. I support you fully in prevention
and penalization of drafting.
As far as race recults go. That is a pet peeve of mine. I have spoken to
race directors, both before and after races to see about getting results.
They say one thing, do another. For the last two years here in Colorado
there have not been any triathletes who have been able to be ranked in the
USAT rankings due to no race results to USAT. You have to go out of state
and race if you want to be ranked.
I have waited patiently for the rankings to come out. By then it is too
late. Calling a race director and complaining in November is spitting into
the wind. They don't give a damn.
I have spoken to USAT officials, written a letter to USAT. EVERYONE
disclaims responsibilty. So, I tried Charlie. I called race directors,
left messages. And you know, two years of my competitive life went down
the drain as far as me seeing where I might have been nationally.
So I needed USAT to do something. And they wiggled off the hook too.
Steve Locke wrote back and told me that sanctioned tris get a $500 rebate
when they send in the results and the one day Tri-Fed fees. He said that
in 95 there were 30 races that failed to do that.
$500 dollars back, and they didn't do it. I'll bet some of those race
directors were poor mouthing themselves too, lamenting how they wren't
making any money.
Plus, I just had to think about that basic insurance coverage or whatever
else is funded by those one day fees that are NOT sent in.
Yeah. deep down I am with USAT and its program, but I see that they are
really a paper dragon. They have little power beyond what is given them by
the demands of insurance, i.e. chinstraps and such.

True, I can just not go to the races that failed to send in results. Then
who does that hurt? It hurts me. There are already a limited number of
events here in Colorado. So I essentially have to cut off my nose to spite
my face.  

 
 
 

Shame on NCC Cleveland (was no USAT Officials at Cleveland)

Post by Marty Mille » Sat, 26 Jul 1997 04:00:00

I believe that the Pacific Sports that puts on NCC is a totally different
organization.  In fact, I believe that they do not get along with the ITU
at all (please correct me if I am wrong).
--

The Noodle
--------------------
Marty Miller
The Triathlete's Web
http://w3.one.net/~triweb/triweb.html


Quote:

writes:
> >Charlie Crawford pointed out that the race director for NCC Cleveland is
> >not interested in having USAT Officials at this high profile race.

> Isn't NCC Cleveland put on by Pacific Sports? I seem to recall that
Pacific
> Sports does a lot of work for the ITU. Therefore, this doesn't surprise
me.

> Just my $.02

> Chris

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