Mike & Rob Most Excellent Ques?

Mike & Rob Most Excellent Ques?

Post by Rich Dav » Tue, 09 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Was wondering if anyone has personal experiences about
"Mike & Robs Most Excellent Triathlon"?  I'm thinking
about giving it a shot, but I've heard comments suggesting
it is nothing more than a major draft fest.  If there is
a drafting problem, I'm not sure I want to invest time and
money to do the race, even if it does have IQ spots.

Comments appreciated.  Also course descriptions.

-richd

 
 
 

Mike & Rob Most Excellent Ques?

Post by Cesar Valverd » Tue, 09 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> Was wondering if anyone has personal experiences about
> "Mike & Robs Most Excellent Triathlon"?  I'm thinking
> about giving it a shot, but I've heard comments suggesting
> it is nothing more than a major draft fest.  If there is
> a drafting problem, I'm not sure I want to invest time and
> money to do the race, even if it does have IQ spots.

I did the race in 94 and 95, and was very disappointed both times with
the huge amount of drafting. Both years I lost my concentration on the
bike because of how angry I was at the packs going by, and the
slap-on-the-wrist penalties did not make me feel any better after the
race. I did like staying in beautiful Ventura for a couple of days and
having an ocean swim for the race, but as a smaller guy that gets beat up
on flat courses anyway, the amount of drafting at that race will keep me
away this summer. I think the fact that it is an IMH qualifier does make
people push the envelope on drafting, so this year I'll be at Santa
Barbara two weeks after Mike and Rob's (1 M swim, 34 M bike, 10 M run).

Cesar Valverde

 
 
 

Mike & Rob Most Excellent Ques?

Post by Chris Davi » Wed, 10 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Was wondering if anyone has personal experiences about
> "Mike & Robs Most Excellent Triathlon"?

Last year we waited around for the fog to clear which it never did so we
walked down the beach and swam 3\4 miles keeping in site of land. The
delay caused them to shorten the bike which is flat and fast. I didn't
notice any more drafting than any other race and don't think you should
not do the race for that reason.

The run is a relatively flat out and back along the shore path and it's
always nice to see where you stand in relation to everyone else. The
views are great.

I give this race two thumbs up even though I was mad about the fog
ruining the swim and a shortened bike. I had joined a masters swim team
to get good on the swim and wanted a PR at that distance and then even
the bike wasn't a PR because of a flat and shortened. I'll be back but
not this year.

Good luck

--
Chris Davis

"We're fighting Lou Gehrig's Disease with everything you give."

http://www.sfo.com/~hulaman

 
 
 

Mike & Rob Most Excellent Ques?

Post by ROBF06 » Fri, 12 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Hi Rich,

I have an opinion about Mike & Rob's not as a participant but as one of
the directors. Yes, the bike course is dead falat and because of the
competitiveness of a lot of the participants there is a tendency for pack
to form. We do use about 15 draft marshall, however, and have issued as
many as 60 penatlies in one race ('94) so if someone choses to break the
rules, there is a price to pay.

Last year the race was shortened because of the fog and was only minutes
away to becoming a duathlon. The issue wasn't so much that people couldn't
follow the course, which would have been challenging) but that the
lifeguards would not be able to see anyone wandering off course. Because
of the delay (about and hour) we had to knock off 6 miles on the bike in
order to get the bikes back to the transion during our permit window.

In any case the challange of the course is the speed that you can go. Ask
anyone who has blown up and I'll bet that most rode the course faster than
they thought and the run took the effort back with interest.

Feel free to e-mail me if you have any other questions and I hope to see
you at the race!

- Rob

 
 
 

Mike & Rob Most Excellent Ques?

Post by TGCarls » Sat, 13 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Although I respect Cesar Valverde's integrity and his ability as an
athlete, I must say I do not agree with his feeling about Mike and Rob's
Most Excellent Triathlon. As one who grew up in Florida, is tall, and
favors a flat course near the beach, Mike and Rob's has a great feel to it
and  has a great field of top athletes drawn by the Ironman slots and the
Ventura setting.

Swim is usually cold -- 60 to 62 degrees last few years -- and on the
verge of fog [which delayed start last year]. Bike goes through Ventura,
nearby Pt. Hueneme Naval Air Station and very rural farm fields of Oxnard
and back.

Drafting situations set up by riders riding in breakdown lane -- about 10
feet wide -- while  cars whiz by just a few feet away, the one drawback to
the race's ambience for me. First 30 miles of bike are fast because
prevailing onshore wind pushes you along. Then reality hits as the wind
hits you in the face on the way back and saps strength. Much of drafting
occurs at this point. As a drafting *** last year, I passed a lot of
bikers in my rise from BOP to MOP until I hit the 25-30 mile mark and got
stuck in the narrow lane with a group of approximately equal abilities. I
kept trying to pass them but the draft effect kept pulling them back in.
Having covered the drafting issue for Triathlete and having done a feature
on draft marshal extraordinaire Charlie Crawford at Memphis in May in the
interim and then covered a draft-filled race at Seaside Heights New
Jersey, IMHO opinion, I would say that conditions of the road are BY FAR
the great determinant of whether or not drafting will occur. Certain races
do not attracty mass quantities of scum, as much as Valverde';s Hobbesian
view of humankind leads him to believe so.  

At Seaside Heights NJ, the course took 2 loops of a 23-miler of which the
main road was a narrow 2-lane state park access and bikes were choked
togther. Some riders got livid and dropped back of the packs and lost
their 200 yards. Others just kept pedaling and tried to do the best they
could to stop blatant wheelsucking. But conditions were far from the wide
open 6-lane highways at  Cleveland and Leon's in Hammond Indiana, the best
venues to avoid drafting.

At Mike and Rob's, there was room for more draft marshals who broke up
things and issued penalties. Not a perfect world -- but when the road is
shared with produce trucks and cars and bikes get a narrow breakdown lane
on long straight flat ground, it ain't gonna be the anti-drafting paradise
of Memphis in May with wider roads and tougher draft marshals and less
ground to cover.

Then you get to the run, which is a beautiful, beautiful out and back
along the Pacific Ocean next to golden hill California sea bluffs and
along a Ventura Pier boardwalk and on to the finish. All in all, one of
the great races, in my opinion.

Also, because it is flat, a middle to back of the pack athlete such as
myself  can expect to finish over an hour faster than Wildflower's Half
Ironman with its unrelenting hills. Mike and Rob's is a half Ironman you
can RACE all the way and  I appreciate it for that.

Thus my very different PRs:

PR for Wildflower: 6:44.
PR for Mike and Rob's: 5:38 [Added time adjusting for shortened course
last year]

Go to Mike and Rob's unless, like Cesar, you are  totally allergic to the
possibility of drafting. I say, life is better outside of the germ-free
bubble of a perfect universe.
Regards,

Timothy Carlson

 
 
 

Mike & Rob Most Excellent Ques?

Post by Cesar Valverd » Sat, 13 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> Although I respect Cesar Valverde's integrity and his ability as an
> athlete, I must say I do not agree with his feeling about Mike and Rob's
> Most Excellent Triathlon. As one who grew up in Florida, is tall, and
> favors a flat course near the beach, Mike and Rob's has a great feel to it
> and  has a great field of top athletes drawn by the Ironman slots

Ah, to be a tall guy from Florida....Unfortunately, I'm a skinny guy
who grew up in mountainous Costa Rica, so you gear mashers always humble
me on a flat course.

:  IMHO opinion, I would say that conditions of the road are BY FAR

Quote:
> the great determinant of whether or not drafting will occur. Certain races
> do not attracty mass quantities of scum, as much as Valverde';s Hobbesian
> view of humankind leads him to believe so.  

I agree with you: there is a lot of drafting BECAUSE of the course (flat,
windy, and narrow sections). I did not mean to imply that the race
attracts latent drafters. Though in my very cynical mind there is no
doubt that some potential IM qualifiers push the drafting rule to the limit.

Quote:
> Then you get to the run, which is a beautiful, beautiful out and back
> along the Pacific Ocean next to golden hill California sea bluffs and
> along a Ventura Pier boardwalk and on to the finish.

It is an absolutely beautiful area. You can always look at the breakers to
take your mind off the pain of the run.

Quote:
> Go to Mike and Rob's unless, like Cesar, you are  totally allergic to the
> possibility of drafting. I say, life is better outside of the germ-free
> bubble of a perfect universe.

Well, I hardly live/race in a perfect universe. I have done many races in
Costa Rica that had no support or road closures, and appreciate the great
organization of US races. My only point is that for my own neurotic self,
the drafting at Mike and Rob's is so distracting that it does not allow
me to enjoy the race. For me, it is not the race to do.
If seeing a lot of drafting (60 penalties in 1994) does not let
you concentrate on your own race, race somewhere else.

Cesar Valverde

 
 
 

Mike & Rob Most Excellent Ques?

Post by ccorn.. » Sat, 13 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>Well, I hardly live/race in a perfect universe. I have done many races in
>Costa Rica that had no support or road closures, and appreciate the great
>organization of US races. My only point is that for my own neurotic self,
>the drafting at Mike and Rob's is so distracting that it does not allow
>me to enjoy the race. For me, it is not the race to do.
>If seeing a lot of drafting (60 penalties in 1994) does not let

I keep wishing that never again would an Ironman qualifier be on
a flat bike course. I'm beginning to think that I won't ever spend
my money again on a flat qualifying course, because the drafting
does take a great deal away from my race.

On the other hand, if the race organizers for flat courses would
have only 100 people per wave, and separate the waves by 5 minutes,
and have lots of great officials like Charlie Crawford, then
maybe I wouldn't mind going to a flat qualifier.

Cathy Corning