swim, bike, run relay???

swim, bike, run relay???

Post by Michelle Cla » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00


: I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  
: Personally I'm against it.  I'm not a purest or anything, but to me the sport
: is triathlon; not a swim, bike, run relay.  You don't see 4 people splitting a
: marathon into 6.5 mile divisions; so why is it done in triathlon?  I think
: that it takes away from the sport.  Although it is sort of gratifying to pass
: someone on the run when that's all they are doing :)  
: Please no flames, I'm just looking for some opinions.  

Eric--I am a beginner triathlete.  I have done three short (500 yd
swim, 10 mile bike, 3.1 mile run) triathlons this summer.  I've been
training hard, but I'm not yet quite up to the longer distances.  So,
when I saw that our community was hosting a longer (1.5 K open water
swim, 40 K bike, 10 K run), I was interested, but knew I wasn't quite
ready to do the whole thing (mainly the swim!).  My husband, my brother,
and myself decided to enter it as a team.  I'm doing the run.  For me, doing a
10K run as part of a triathlon team has lots of advantages over doing
just a plain 10K.  First, I'm still picking up on some of the
triathlon secrets, and being there to watch the more competetive
athletes helps me continue to learn more about how to be a better
racer myself.  Second, I've just started to get to know some of the
other triathlon fanatics in my area, and this will give me a chance to
spend some fun time with them and continue to make connections with
possible training partners.  Third, my husband has been an
incredibly helpful "support-team" during my individual triathlons, so
it will be fun to have him doing it with me.  

Maybe next year I'll be prepared enough to do the whole thing as an
individual.  However, in other triathlons, I have really enjoyed
watching people who participate as a team.  I particularly enjoy
watching parent triathletes compete as a team with their budding
triathlete offspring.  As far as I'm concerned, anything that creates
a fun way to get people up off the couch is great.

--
_________________________
Michelle Clark

 
 
 

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Post by George Wallac » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00

I think you are off base here.  You do see relay marathons, in fact I
just completed Shiprock Marathon in May (The whole thing, not the relay
but about 75% of the entries were relay teams).  The tri relay teams are,
of course, not doing a tri by the strict definition.  Thy are doing
individual swim/bike/run, nor do they take awards that would go to
individuals.  The relay adds another facet to the race and bring in
people who would not otherwise become involved in tri's.  I started in
tri's by doing relays several years ago.  I still do an occasional relay
(usually to bring in some one new)

 
 
 

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Post by David Wut » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  
> Personally I'm against it.  I'm not a purest or anything, but to me the sport
> is triathlon; not a swim, bike, run relay.  You don't see 4 people splitting a
> marathon into 6.5 mile divisions; so why is it done in triathlon?  I think
> that it takes away from the sport.  Although it is sort of gratifying to pass
> someone on the run when that's all they are doing :)  
> Please no flames, I'm just looking for some opinions.  

> -

> ***ia Tech                 |  in the sea, eventually."
> Dept. of Chemistry            |                 -Jimi H.

I agree with several other postings to your note.

I have participated in a team for longer distances and have used the team to
introduce others to our great sport.

Since teams are really separate from individual racers on scoring, I don't see
any real problem with this.  

David

 
 
 

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Post by Adrian Wynn » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  
>Personally I'm against it.  I'm not a purest or anything, but to me the sport
>is triathlon; not a swim, bike, run relay.

I personally can't see the problem, as long as they run an individual race
aswell. For us amateurs, triathlon is supposed to be fun and teaming up
occasionally would be a laugh. Also, many more people would have a go,
which has got to be good for the "real" triathletes i.e. more races, bigger
crowds etc. Perhaps some of team-entrants might like it and try a full one
on their own.

Best of all, with more people taking part you wouldn't have to go through
that "triathlon - what's that?" conversation quite so often.

Quote:
>  You don't see 4 people splitting a
>marathon into 6.5 mile divisions;

Maybe that would work too :o)

Quote:
> I think
>that it takes away from the sport.  Although it is sort of gratifying to pass
>someone on the run when that's all they are doing :)  
>Please no flames, I'm just looking for some opinions.  

regards

adrian

PS this is my first post here for about 6 months since I moved jobs. Boy
does it feel good!

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Post by TriG » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Eric Brauns said:

Quote:
>I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  
>Personally I'm against it.  I'm not a purest or anything, but to me the
sport
>is triathlon; not a swim, bike, run relay.  You don't see 4 people
splitting a
>marathon into 6.5 mile divisions; so why is it done in triathlon?  I
think
>that it takes away from the sport.  Although it is sort of gratifying to
pass
>someone on the run when that's all they are doing :)  
>Please no flames, I'm just looking for some opinions.  

I have several friends who got started in triathlons by being roped into a
relay and deciding to go it alone the next year.  I also do the occasional
relay when I have an injury that prevents me from doing all three sports.
Last year at Big Bear, I ran race day registration, body-marked dozens of
competitors, then body-marked myself, pulled on my wetsuit, swam the swim
leg, jumped out, changed, and worked the rest of the race, doing bike to
run splits and finish line work.  It was great fun (try it sometime!).  
  I think relay teams are great!  I'm looking forward to the day when I do
a family relay:  I swim, my husband bikes, and my daughter runs.  I'll
continue to race as an individual, of course, but I think relays get more
new people involved, and are therefore good for the sport.  I'm not too
demoralized when the relay runners pass ME, as long as they have a little
notation on their calf that tells me they aren't in my age group.  But
everyone passes me on the run anyway, most with expressions of disbelief
on their faces, as in "how the heck did SHE get up here?" : )

     TriGal

 
 
 

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Post by STUART JACOBS » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>Subject: Re: swim, bike, run relay???
>Date: 12 Jul 1995 15:53:24 GMT

>>I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  
>>Personally I'm against it.  I'm not a purest or anything, but to me the sport
>>is triathlon; not a swim, bike, run relay.
>I personally can't see the problem, as long as they run an individual race
>aswell. For us amateurs, triathlon is supposed to be fun and teaming up
>occasionally would be a laugh. Also, many more people would have a go,
>which has got to be good for the "real" triathletes i.e. more races, bigger
>crowds etc. Perhaps some of team-entrants might like it and try a full one
>on their own.
>Best of all, with more people taking part you wouldn't have to go through
>that "triathlon - what's that?" conversation quite so often.
>>  You don't see 4 people splitting a
>>marathon into 6.5 mile divisions;
>Maybe that would work too :o)
>> I think
>>that it takes away from the sport.  Although it is sort of gratifying to pass
>>someone on the run when that's all they are doing :)  
>>Please no flames, I'm just looking for some opinions.  

>regards
>adrian
>PS this is my first post here for about 6 months since I moved jobs. Boy
>does it feel good!
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I don't say any problem with teams, its a good way to introduce people to the
sport. Any way I have yet to see a team win a triathlon suggesting that the
good people can do it by themselves. I just recently participated in a teams
duathlon and had my best ever bike ride, my runner came third last but that
didn't matter.

Stuart

 
 
 

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Post by Cesar Valverd » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:
> Eric Brauns said:
> >  You don't see 4 people  splitting a
> >marathon into 6.5 mile divisions; so why is it done in triathlon?  

Actually, marathons are divided into relays sometimes. San Diego and Long
Beach are two that come to mind. Anything that makes a sporting event
more inclusive is okay with me. Looking for "purity" in events is
somewhat like looking for purity in dog breeds: pure is whatever someone
chooses to define at a given moment. Long live mutts.

Cesar Valverde

 
 
 

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Post by Eric Brau » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00

I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  
Personally I'm against it.  I'm not a purest or anything, but to me the sport
is triathlon; not a swim, bike, run relay.  You don't see 4 people splitting a
marathon into 6.5 mile divisions; so why is it done in triathlon?  I think
that it takes away from the sport.  Although it is sort of gratifying to pass
someone on the run when that's all they are doing :)  
Please no flames, I'm just looking for some opinions.  

-

***ia Tech                 |  in the sea, eventually."
Dept. of Chemistry            |                 -Jimi H.

 
 
 

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Post by Ann Snoeyenb » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00

: I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  

I understand what you are saying but I'm not really opposed to relays.  
In our club we always have either a newbie who is afraid to sign on for
the whole thing but wants to participate, or injured people who shouldn't
do the whole thing but still want to participate.  Relays are a good way
for us to encourage participation within the club.  However, I don't think
we have ever gone to a race with a TriClub team made up of three single-
sport athletes.  Also we often "encourage" the relay people to schlepp
stuff, hand out water, record splits, etc.  They are cool too in that
the bring a little levity to the event--and we all get to feel superior
to them.

 
 
 

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Post by rsmi » Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:00:00


says:
Quote:

>I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  
>Personally I'm against it.  I'm not a purest or anything, but to me the
sport
>is triathlon; not a swim, bike, run relay.  You don't see 4 people
splitting a
>marathon into 6.5 mile divisions; so why is it done in triathlon?  I
think
>that it takes away from the sport.  Although it is sort of gratifying to
pass
>someone on the run when that's all they are doing :)  
>Please no flames, I'm just looking for some opinions.  

  Eric I thought the same as you until this year, when I injured my knee
so I could not run for some time. I was able to swim and bike and have a
freind run the last leg of the race for me. This way I was still involved
in triathlons and my friend is now intersted in the sprot.


 
 
 

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Post by John Walk » Fri, 14 Jul 1995 04:00:00

It was at the Donner Lake Triathlon in 1990 or 1991.  I was having a good
race and a particularly good run.  About 4 miles into the run, I had
passed one more person on the run than had passed me.  This was the first
time that I had moved up during the run and I was determined to try
and not let anyone else pass me.  After passing one aid station, the
volunteers were quiet for a while before I heard them yelling to the
next competitor.  I had a decent lead.  Listening again at the next
aid station, my lead had shrunk a lot.  I knew I was going to have to
work to stay ahead of whoever was back there.  I felt like I was going
to die, but I managed to hold him off by 30 feet or so at the finish.  
He then congratulated me and told me that he was trying to catch up and
tell me that he was part of a relay.  All that work, and it wasn't even
necessary.  But I have to admit that my run split was quite a bit
faster as a result.

Although others have already said the same thing, I also think relays
are a great way to get people involved in triathlons and let the
walking wounded keep competing.

                                        -- John
--
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Post by BCor » Fri, 14 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Eric,

I have to disagree with you on this one.  When you have been doing
triathlons for as long as I have - 11 years - you always look for new ways
to keep the sport exciting and fresh.  For me, a relay is a fun way to
spend some time with my friends, particularly my non-tri friends.  

Usually, it works like this:  I discover a short relay and ask my non-tri,
single- sport friends if they'd like to be part of a relay.  The first
person who says "yes" gets to pick his or her event.  The second person
gets to pick between the remaining two.  I take whatever is left.

The race is a LOT of fun and no stress is involved.  I treat it like a fun
training day.

Try it sometime, you might like it.  And who knows - you might convert a
few "uni-athletes."

Cory H.

 
 
 

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Post by TGCarls » Fri, 14 Jul 1995 04:00:00

The more the merrier!

Triathlon needs to be an inclusive, not an exclusive, sport.

I get a kick from relay teams. Once Tom Cruise did the bike leg of the
Malibu Day at the Beach Triathlon on a relay team. When I found out my
bike leg time was just four minutes behind his bike leg -- while he is the
epitome of a highly trained, best conditioned, most athletic actor AND is
18 years younger than I am AND I did all three legs that day -- it made me
feel great.

I alsoi like the existence of relay teams because when someone blows by me
late in the triathlon, I just chalk it up to relay runners with fresh
legs.

I also think it is a great way to introduce people to the sport.

Plus I wish one day our family could participate in a triathlon as a
relay.

The essence of triathlon is freedom and responsibility. You are free to
always do it on your own and be responbsible for your own fitness and
performance. And everyone else is responsible to have as much fun at it as
they can.    

 
 
 

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Post by Myles Cockbur » Fri, 14 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  
> Personally I'm against it.  I'm not a purest or anything, but to me the sport
> is triathlon; not a swim, bike, run relay.  You don't see 4 people splitting a
> marathon into 6.5 mile divisions; so why is it done in triathlon?  I think
> that it takes away from the sport.  Although it is sort of gratifying to pass
> someone on the run when that's all they are doing :)  
> Please no flames, I'm just looking for some opinions.  

Depends how much of a tri-head you are.  I reckon it's more than adequate
to see people out there doing things - who cares if they want to do a
marathon in 26 one mile bits?  Most of our antipodean tris would be
sparse affairs were it not for the teamsters, and its usually a good
introduction to the sport - 'Well, that wasn't so bad - I think I'll try
and do the next one on my own' etc.
 
 
 

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Post by Tim Ivers » Fri, 14 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>I would like to know how other people feel about doing a tri in teams.  
>Personally I'm against it.  I'm not a purest or anything, but to me the sport
>is triathlon; not a swim, bike, run relay.  You don't see 4 people splitting

I'm all for it.  It doesn't impact real triathletes at all, and it can
provide a way for someone to get a taste test before chomping down on an
entire triathlon.

Hell, this is how I got into triathlons.  My first exposure to triathlons
was in a relay, after which, I thought to myself, "wow, this doesn't seem
so hard - it even looks like fun."  Little did I know ... ;-)

- Tim Iverson