Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by Cycle Gu » Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:15:04


Hi,
Can anyone explain or direct me to a site that discusses how heart rates
compare when cycling and when running. I know I can get my heart rate up
much higher when running at a given pace than when I'm cycling. I'm
pretty sure it has to do with moving a much larger mass with many more
muscle groups involved when running. I'd like to know what hr's are
considered as: Aerobic, threshold and anaerobic. I know this will vary
with fitness but just for measuring purposes.

Any help is appreciated.
Troy

 
 
 

Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by reenie2.. » Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:55:34

Hi Troy - I can't refer you to a web site, but recently saw cited in a
UK running magazine that your rate on a bike will generally be around
10 beats lower for each of your training zones than when running.

I'll try and dig out the reference.

Hope this helps though

Reenie


Quote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone explain or direct me to a site that discusses how heart
rates
> compare when cycling and when running. I know I can get my heart rate
up
> much higher when running at a given pace than when I'm cycling. I'm
> pretty sure it has to do with moving a much larger mass with many more
> muscle groups involved when running. I'd like to know what hr's are
> considered as: Aerobic, threshold and anaerobic. I know this will vary
> with fitness but just for measuring purposes.

> Any help is appreciated.
> Troy

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Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by Ken » Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:42:43

Your heart rate will be the same on both.    Learn to drive yourself till it
will.     Perhaps your seat may be a little low not allowing you to gain use
of the glutes to their fullest.    I have found that most people can learn
to get their HR up to the same level with some disclipine and practice.   I
have just the opposite problem.   I have a bit of trouble pushing myself
hard enough on the run to get my HR up to what seems a max rate on the bike.
I'm a bit "lazy" running.   Your complaint/comment is the more common
problem.   Do some 2 to 3 mile max effort sprints to learn the feel.  Rest
well between each one to allow your HR to drop to 120 or so.   I hammer one
direction and then cruise back for recovery between efforts.   Do 5 or 6,
once a week.


Quote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone explain or direct me to a site that discusses how heart rates
> compare when cycling and when running. I know I can get my heart rate up
> much higher when running at a given pace than when I'm cycling. I'm
> pretty sure it has to do with moving a much larger mass with many more
> muscle groups involved when running. I'd like to know what hr's are
> considered as: Aerobic, threshold and anaerobic. I know this will vary
> with fitness but just for measuring purposes.

> Any help is appreciated.
> Troy


 
 
 

Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by Doug Fulle » Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:17:23



Quote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone explain or direct me to a site that discusses how heart
rates
> compare when cycling and when running. I know I can get my heart rate
up
> much higher when running at a given pace than when I'm cycling.

How do you correlate your running pace and cycling pace?

Quote:
> I'm
> pretty sure it has to do with moving a much larger mass with many more
> muscle groups involved when running.

It has more to do with physiological adaptation.  A trained cyclist
will achieve a higher cycling HRmax than running, a trained runner will
achieve a higher running HRmax than cycling (as will an untrained
person) and an elite level triathlete should measure about the same.

--
Cheers,
Doug Fuller

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Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by Doug Fulle » Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:17:32



Quote:
> Hi,
> Can anyone explain or direct me to a site that discusses how heart
rates
> compare when cycling and when running. I know I can get my heart rate
up
> much higher when running at a given pace than when I'm cycling.

How do you correlate your running pace and cycling pace?

Quote:
> I'm
> pretty sure it has to do with moving a much larger mass with many more
> muscle groups involved when running.

It has more to do with physiological adaptation.  A trained cyclist
will achieve a higher cycling HRmax than running, a trained runner will
achieve a higher running HRmax than cycling (as will an untrained
person) and an elite level triathlete should measure about the same.

--
Cheers,
Doug Fuller

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Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by Sam » Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:49:54


Quote:


> > Hi,
> > Can anyone explain or direct me to a site that discusses how heart
> rates
> > compare when cycling and when running. I know I can get my heart rate
> up
> > much higher when running at a given pace than when I'm cycling.

> How do you correlate your running pace and cycling pace?

        The best way to do this would be to look at energy expenditure.  For
instance, if I am burning 4 kcals/min cycling and running is there a
difference in HR?  Or if I am riding and using 3.0 L/min of O2 and running
at that same intensity, what is the HR.

Quote:

> > I'm
> > pretty sure it has to do with moving a much larger mass with many more
> > muscle groups involved when running.

> It has more to do with physiological adaptation.  A trained cyclist
> will achieve a higher cycling HRmax than running, a trained runner will
> achieve a higher running HRmax than cycling (as will an untrained
> person) and an elite level triathlete should measure about the same.

        A cyclist will get pretty close to the same HRmax on both (at least
that has been my experience).  However, a runner will not get the same
values (cycling typically lower) since the legs will give out before the
cardiorespiratory system will.
        In terms of elite, HRmax is about the same on the two modes since
they spend a lot of time training both.  (this observation from personal
experience in testing and reviewing the lab results of about 100 VO2max
tests on top level triathletes.
Quote:
> --
> Cheers,
> Doug Fuller

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Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by Todd Saude » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:57:35

Funny, everything I have ever read, including The Triathletes Training Bible
says that cycling HRmax will be lower than running HRmax, and swimming even
lower.  The theory, as I understand it, is that running uses the most muscle
mass to move the body, hence the sympathetic response of the heart is
greatest (i.e. the more *** you can get pumping in the muscles, the faster
the heart rate).  On the bike you use primarily the leg muscles, which can
only move so much *** thus limiting your HRmax.  Of course, I understand
that if you are a very skilled cyclist that you would be maximizing power
output and could get a higher heart rate than your running rate IF you were
an unskilled runner and not able to push yourself to your greatest exertion.
On the other hand, an elite cyclist and runner SHOULD have different HRmaxes
in each sport because along with increased power output comes increased
efficiency.  When cycling, this athlete should be able to concentrate almost
all of his power production from his legs, taking most upper body muscles
out of play.  But when running he generates additional power from his upper
body, thus involving more muscle mass, and thus driving his HRmax higher
than the cycle.  We haven't even talked about increased HRmax due to heat
generation/dissipation which is another factor for a lower HRmax in swimming
(greater conductivity of heat through the water) and cycling (greater
cooling effect of higher air flow).

Todd

 
 
 

Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by Cycle Gu » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:04:45

Thanks alot Reenie,
I got alot of response to the question and some great opinions and places to
look for even more thorough answers. Through posting questions on this NG
and also reading the other Q/A posted I have learned so much from the vast
amount of combined experience the readers are so willing to share.
Once again thanks alot to all,
Troy
Quote:

> Hi Troy - I can't refer you to a web site, but recently saw cited in a
> UK running magazine that your rate on a bike will generally be around
> 10 beats lower for each of your training zones than when running.

> I'll try and dig out the reference.

> Hope this helps though

> Reenie


> > Hi,
> > Can anyone explain or direct me to a site that discusses how heart
> rates
> > compare when cycling and when running. I know I can get my heart rate
> up
> > much higher when running at a given pace than when I'm cycling. I'm
> > pretty sure it has to do with moving a much larger mass with many more
> > muscle groups involved when running. I'd like to know what hr's are
> > considered as: Aerobic, threshold and anaerobic. I know this will vary
> > with fitness but just for measuring purposes.

> > Any help is appreciated.
> > Troy

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Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by Ken » Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:47:19

One thing wrong with tests and science is that the results only apply to
those tested.   The results are then interpolated by averages and then we
are told they apply to us.   If I trained according to the many training
manuals I have read I would still be a middle of the packer.    These are
great places to begin your sport and valuable training aids.  If you wish to
excel you will have to find what applies specifically to you as an unique
individual.   You might be amazed to find that "Theory" is just that and you
are not limited by that narrow approach.

Experiment and find what you are made of, defy the averages.



Quote:
> Funny, everything I have ever read, including The Triathletes Training
Bible
> says that cycling HRmax will be lower than running HRmax, and swimming
even
> lower.  The theory, as I understand it, is that running uses the most
muscle
> mass to move the body, hence the sympathetic response of the heart is
> greatest (i.e. the more *** you can get pumping in the muscles, the
faster
> the heart rate).  On the bike you use primarily the leg muscles, which can
> only move so much *** thus limiting your HRmax.  Of course, I understand
> that if you are a very skilled cyclist that you would be maximizing power
> output and could get a higher heart rate than your running rate IF you
were
> an unskilled runner and not able to push yourself to your greatest
exertion.
> On the other hand, an elite cyclist and runner SHOULD have different
HRmaxes
> in each sport because along with increased power output comes increased
> efficiency.  When cycling, this athlete should be able to concentrate
almost
> all of his power production from his legs, taking most upper body muscles
> out of play.  But when running he generates additional power from his
upper
> body, thus involving more muscle mass, and thus driving his HRmax higher
> than the cycle.  We haven't even talked about increased HRmax due to heat
> generation/dissipation which is another factor for a lower HRmax in
swimming
> (greater conductivity of heat through the water) and cycling (greater
> cooling effect of higher air flow).

> Todd

 
 
 

Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by nitz_herma.. » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:33:34

I know this topic has come up before...here's my old post...

...my resting hr hovers around 40, the highest i've ever seen my hr was
on the bike (188 while climbing)...my high run was in a 5k when i went
out too hard (hit 183)...even when i do all out quarters on the track,
my hr doesn't go higher than 183 (usually, it's high 170's)...when i
first got into tris 4 years ago, my run hr was highest (my background
was running), then it got so that i could get my bike hr higher after
about a year...

Just goes to show everybody is different, and "the training bible"
isn't the training bible...it's just a rough guide...

Quote:

> Hi,
> Can anyone explain or direct me to a site that discusses how heart
rates
> compare when cycling and when running. I know I can get my heart rate
up
> much higher when running at a given pace than when I'm cycling. I'm
> pretty sure it has to do with moving a much larger mass with many more
> muscle groups involved when running. I'd like to know what hr's are
> considered as: Aerobic, threshold and anaerobic. I know this will vary
> with fitness but just for measuring purposes.

> Any help is appreciated.
> Troy

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Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by Todd Saude » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:50:51

Question:  have you ever tested your running HRmax when going up a hill.  It
seems that your HRmax (run) was always observed on the flats.  When I go all
out on the track I am 10 beats/min lower than I can get on a hill at max.

Todd

I understand that everybody is different, but most of us share more
similarities than differences.


Quote:
> I know this topic has come up before...here's my old post...

> ...my resting hr hovers around 40, the highest i've ever seen my hr was
> on the bike (188 while climbing)...my high run was in a 5k when i went
> out too hard (hit 183)...even when i do all out quarters on the track,
> my hr doesn't go higher than 183 (usually, it's high 170's)...when i
> first got into tris 4 years ago, my run hr was highest (my background
> was running), then it got so that i could get my bike hr higher after
> about a year...

> Just goes to show everybody is different, and "the training bible"
> isn't the training bible...it's just a rough guide...


> > Hi,
> > Can anyone explain or direct me to a site that discusses how heart
> rates
> > compare when cycling and when running. I know I can get my heart rate
> up
> > much higher when running at a given pace than when I'm cycling. I'm
> > pretty sure it has to do with moving a much larger mass with many more
> > muscle groups involved when running. I'd like to know what hr's are
> > considered as: Aerobic, threshold and anaerobic. I know this will vary
> > with fitness but just for measuring purposes.

> > Any help is appreciated.
> > Troy

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Running heart rate-vs-Cycling heart rate

Post by SteveCoach » Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:56:03

Heart rate will typically be 6 to 10 beats lower at the same perceived effort
level while cycling (as compared to running). The reason is that fewer muscle
groups are involved with good cycling form. In running, you are not only
propelling yourself forward with your legs, but supporting your posture through
all your core muscle groups. These supporting muscle groups use oxygen just as
your legs do. With proper cyling form, your legs, glutes, and lower back are
doing the vast majority of the work. If your cycling HR range is the same
running and cycling, you may need to quiet-down your upper body to become more
efficient. I find heart rates of swimming and cycling to be nearly comparable,
perhaps slightly lower while swimming.
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