St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by ange » Sun, 26 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Since I'm looking for enough excusses to do St. Anthony's, why not take
advantage of the numbers of athletes who will be there and send a larger
message. Here are some thoughts.
1. Have a petition at the race for any participant to add their name.
Present it to the race director at the end of the race.
2. Turn your pin-on race number upside down.
3. Convince the pros that even though its a drafting legal race, just
don't draft (ok ok I know, I'm reaching).
4. Shave "NO DRAFTING" onto the back of your head. ;) I'd do it on top
too but..... so I can't affort Rogaine, OK?
etc.....

The number of folks who attend the race will no doubt excees the number
who boycott. Take full advantage. Something that has a definite presence
at the race will be more effective in getting the message across. It may
even show up in TRIATHLETE. You never know.

Keith

 
 
 

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by dr.T » Sun, 26 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Thanks  Z for revisiting the boycott issue. This sport is fragile and many
> races are even moreso

> >this is not a change of oppinion on my part- in my past postings I have
> >said that a boycott of St. Anthony's is the only way to send a message to
> >the race director that you do not want to attend a draft legal race.  If
> >enough athletes do this the race director will have no other choice but to
> >get rid of drafting, since the bottom line is always money.  This is
> >documented history as we dropped our draft legal elite division format
> >after the 1995 series (GTS) because of the many letters and phone calls
> >that we received from triathletes who were boycotting our series because
> >of drafting.  I am not in favor of a boycott against St. Anthony's or
> >USAT.  I know how a boycott can hurt a race and I would not want to see it
> >happen to any race director.  The future of the professionan side of
> >triathlon is a draft legal format.  Age-groupers might not like it but
> >they will have to get use to it, becuase it is here, for good.  I enjoyed
> >the draft legal format two years ago in the DTS series and I will go back
> >to it when the age-grouper finally except the fact that only the pro's
> >will be allowed to draft.  Z
> >Tom Ziebart - Exclusive Sports Marketing

> Any negativity may just get the organizers and sponsors to drop a race
> completely. Would the triathlon world be better off without Tampa bay.
> Rated the best urban tri in the country, and one ofthe only races in
> florida that truly captures the spirit of the  community. That's what we
> need, less great races that get both athletes and community energized
> about the sport.

> As far as other forms of protest, turning #'s upside down merely make the
> task of recording splits that much more difficult...thus reducing the race
> quality.

> >Since I'm looking for enough excusses to do St. Anthony's, why not take
> >advantage of the numbers of athletes who will be there and send a larger
> >message. Here are some thoughts.
> >1. Have a petition at the race for any participant to add their name.
> >Present it to the race director at the end of the race.
> >2. Turn your pin-on race number upside down.
> >3. Convince the pros that even though its a drafting legal race, just
> >don't draft (ok ok I know, I'm reaching).
> >4. Shave "NO DRAFTING" onto the back of your head. ;) I'd do it on top
> >too but..... so I can't affort Rogaine, OK?
> >etc.....

> >The number of folks who attend the race will no doubt excees the number
> >who boycott. Take full advantage. Something that has a definite presence
> >at the race will be more effective in getting the message across. It may
> >even show up in TRIATHLETE. You never know.

> >Keith

> folks St Anthony's could probably figure out a lot of other ways to raise
> as much money as they do with the tri....

> Additionally...consider this if you would, trifolks, in Florida S.A.T.B.T.
> annually gets the ball rolling to kick off the season. That means that if
> it did not exist, there might be a large number of folks who would not do
> a triathlon at all. People like me who eek out a living in service to your
> sport depend on the sport's growth.
> Save your Boycotts and protests for anti government demonstrations. Don't
> bite the St Anthony's hand that feeds you!!!
> john boyle

John,

You leave out a very important point.  The race director/organizers
can choose not to have drafting. Then a boycott would not be necessary,
and they would assure their races future.  People are suggesting a
boycott because they are not being heard that WE DON'T WANT DRAFTING IN
TRIATHLION!  Do not blame them for a races potential failure, blame
those who are allowing the drafting virus to spread!  You are directing
your frustration in the wrong direction, unless of course you support
drafting.

Gregg Trent

 
 
 

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by dr.T » Sun, 26 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



> >> Thanks  Z for revisiting the boycott issue. This sport is fragile and many
> >> races are even moreso

> >> Any negativity may just get the organizers and sponsors to drop a race
> >> completely. Would the triathlon world be better off without Tampa bay.
> >> Rated the best urban tri in the country, and one ofthe only races in
> >> florida that truly captures the spirit of the  community. That's what we
> >> need, less great races that get both athletes and community energized
> >> about the sport.

> >> As far as other forms of protest, turning #'s upside down merely make the
> >> task of recording splits that much more difficult...thus reducing the race
> >> quality.

> >> folks St Anthony's could probably figure out a lot of other ways to raise
> >> as much money as they do with the tri....

> >> Additionally...consider this if you would, trifolks, in Florida S.A.T.B.T.
> >> annually gets the ball rolling to kick off the season. That means that if
> >> it did not exist, there might be a large number of folks who would not do
> >> a triathlon at all. People like me who eek out a living in service to your
> >> sport depend on the sport's growth.
> >> Save your Boycotts and protests for anti government demonstrations. Don't
> >> bite the St Anthony's hand that feeds you!!!
> >> john boyle

> >John,

> >You leave out a very important point.  The race director/organizers
> >can choose not to have drafting. Then a boycott would not be necessary,
> >and they would assure their races future.  People are suggesting a
> >boycott because they are not being heard that WE DON'T WANT DRAFTING IN
> >TRIATHLION!  Do not blame them for a races potential failure, blame
> >those who are allowing the drafting virus to spread!  You are directing
> >your frustration in the wrong direction, unless of course you support
> >drafting.

> >Gregg Trent

> GREG

> The point is not my support or disapproval of drafting. But first let me
> go on record as being against drafting.My only reason for getting onto
> this discussion [my first-ever ] is to speak out against a boycott,
> The St anthonys folks have made a decision for what they considered to be
> a legitimate reason...to support the pros who requested this alteration.
> The St Anthonys folks have stated that their age group race  will never
> never be draft legal.
> It's my opinion that people boycott things that scew them. This race has
> not done that. It has been there as a leading figure in the sport for
> years and just doesn't deserve harsh treatment.
> The purpose of a boycott is to get something changed. The change this one
> might very well evoke is the demise of a great race.
> And the most outlandish suggestion I've heard in this discussion is the
> boycott of sponsors. Do folks think that a sponsor who got one iota of
> negative publicity from involvement with triathlon would ever ever ever
> sponsor another one...keep dreaming.There are good races disappearing all
> over the country...... let me close with this question; would the
> triathlon world be better off without the St Anthony's Tampa Bay
> Triathlon? If your answer is an assured yes, then go ahead with your
> boycott......if it's anything less, really consider dropping this
> campaign.
> John Boyle

John,

I definitly would not like to see St. Anthony's fold, and I doubt it
will if they hold on the decision to keep the pro drafting format.
There will probably be a significant drop in the number of age-groupers,
but I'm sure that some will still show for the race.  The boycott will
definitely have affect on the $$ which will hopefully make it understood
that most do not want drafting, and we are passionate about our sport
remaining a time-trial.  If St. Anthony's does go under, so be it if the
message gets across and the demise prevents other organizers from making
a similiar bad decision.  I think all parties from the ITU, USAT, Pro's
that support the draft format, down to the race directors, all will be
responsible for a boycott if it occurs.  I do not feel that the sponsors
of the event have direct enough control over the current situation, and
probably did not even know about the decision.  Boycotting them really
isn't warranted at this time, and I don't think it is necessary to get
our grave concern across.  Hopefully St. Anthony's will not go belly up.
If they make an exception once, it will be easier for them to do it
again, unless there is some level of repercussion.  If it were my
hometown race, I would have to make the same decision.  Its the
waivering opinions and exceptions that have allowed the draft-legal
format to survive.  Let's stop it now!

Gregg Trent

 
 
 

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by JOHN BOYL » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Thanks  Z for revisiting the boycott issue. This sport is fragile and many
races are even moreso

Quote:

>this is not a change of oppinion on my part- in my past postings I have
>said that a boycott of St. Anthony's is the only way to send a message to
>the race director that you do not want to attend a draft legal race.  If
>enough athletes do this the race director will have no other choice but to
>get rid of drafting, since the bottom line is always money.  This is
>documented history as we dropped our draft legal elite division format
>after the 1995 series (GTS) because of the many letters and phone calls
>that we received from triathletes who were boycotting our series because
>of drafting.  I am not in favor of a boycott against St. Anthony's or
>USAT.  I know how a boycott can hurt a race and I would not want to see it
>happen to any race director.  The future of the professionan side of
>triathlon is a draft legal format.  Age-groupers might not like it but
>they will have to get use to it, becuase it is here, for good.  I enjoyed
>the draft legal format two years ago in the DTS series and I will go back
>to it when the age-grouper finally except the fact that only the pro's
>will be allowed to draft.  Z
>Tom Ziebart - Exclusive Sports Marketing

Any negativity may just get the organizers and sponsors to drop a race
completely. Would the triathlon world be better off without Tampa bay.
Rated the best urban tri in the country, and one ofthe only races in
florida that truly captures the spirit of the  community. That's what we
need, less great races that get both athletes and community energized
about the sport.

As far as other forms of protest, turning #'s upside down merely make the
task of recording splits that much more difficult...thus reducing the race
quality.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

>Since I'm looking for enough excusses to do St. Anthony's, why not take
>advantage of the numbers of athletes who will be there and send a larger
>message. Here are some thoughts.
>1. Have a petition at the race for any participant to add their name.
>Present it to the race director at the end of the race.
>2. Turn your pin-on race number upside down.
>3. Convince the pros that even though its a drafting legal race, just
>don't draft (ok ok I know, I'm reaching).
>4. Shave "NO DRAFTING" onto the back of your head. ;) I'd do it on top
>too but..... so I can't affort Rogaine, OK?
>etc.....

>The number of folks who attend the race will no doubt excees the number
>who boycott. Take full advantage. Something that has a definite presence
>at the race will be more effective in getting the message across. It may
>even show up in TRIATHLETE. You never know.

>Keith


folks St Anthony's could probably figure out a lot of other ways to raise
as much money as they do with the tri....

Additionally...consider this if you would, trifolks, in Florida S.A.T.B.T.
annually gets the ball rolling to kick off the season. That means that if
it did not exist, there might be a large number of folks who would not do
a triathlon at all. People like me who eek out a living in service to your
sport depend on the sport's growth.
Save your Boycotts and protests for anti government demonstrations. Don't
bite the St Anthony's hand that feeds you!!!
john boyle

 
 
 

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by JOHN BOYL » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


>> Thanks  Z for revisiting the boycott issue. This sport is fragile and many
>> races are even moreso

>> Any negativity may just get the organizers and sponsors to drop a race
>> completely. Would the triathlon world be better off without Tampa bay.
>> Rated the best urban tri in the country, and one ofthe only races in
>> florida that truly captures the spirit of the  community. That's what we
>> need, less great races that get both athletes and community energized
>> about the sport.

>> As far as other forms of protest, turning #'s upside down merely make the
>> task of recording splits that much more difficult...thus reducing the race
>> quality.

>> folks St Anthony's could probably figure out a lot of other ways to raise
>> as much money as they do with the tri....

>> Additionally...consider this if you would, trifolks, in Florida S.A.T.B.T.
>> annually gets the ball rolling to kick off the season. That means that if
>> it did not exist, there might be a large number of folks who would not do
>> a triathlon at all. People like me who eek out a living in service to your
>> sport depend on the sport's growth.
>> Save your Boycotts and protests for anti government demonstrations. Don't
>> bite the St Anthony's hand that feeds you!!!
>> john boyle

>John,

>You leave out a very important point.  The race director/organizers
>can choose not to have drafting. Then a boycott would not be necessary,
>and they would assure their races future.  People are suggesting a
>boycott because they are not being heard that WE DON'T WANT DRAFTING IN
>TRIATHLION!  Do not blame them for a races potential failure, blame
>those who are allowing the drafting virus to spread!  You are directing
>your frustration in the wrong direction, unless of course you support
>drafting.

>Gregg Trent

GREG

The point is not my support or disapproval of drafting. But first let me  
go on record as being against drafting.My only reason for getting onto
this discussion [my first-ever ] is to speak out against a boycott,
The St anthonys folks have made a decision for what they considered to be
a legitimate reason...to support the pros who requested this alteration.
The St Anthonys folks have stated that their age group race  will never
never be draft legal.
It's my opinion that people boycott things that scew them. This race has
not done that. It has been there as a leading figure in the sport for
years and just doesn't deserve harsh treatment.
The purpose of a boycott is to get something changed. The change this one
might very well evoke is the demise of a great race.
And the most outlandish suggestion I've heard in this discussion is the
boycott of sponsors. Do folks think that a sponsor who got one iota of
negative publicity from involvement with triathlon would ever ever ever
sponsor another one...keep dreaming.There are good races disappearing all
over the country...... let me close with this question; would the
triathlon world be better off without the St Anthony's Tampa Bay
Triathlon? If your answer is an assured yes, then go ahead with your
boycott......if it's anything less, really consider dropping this
campaign.
John Boyle

 
 
 

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by ObiKenic » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

John,

What would you suggest we do? Should we sit by and be silent. I guess
you'd have it that way. Your reponse was equal to telling us to sit there
and shut up, take what we are given and be thankful for it. You actually
had a person who was trying to find a way to attend the race and show the
95% opinion of those who pay for these races. As a race director, I would
think you'd be a little more diplomatic. I understand that you feel as if
your way of making a living is being challanged but you chose the side of
the fence you sit on and must accept the consequences of your actions.
Just like each one of us who makes the decision to attend this race or
not. It's way to easy to preach all year long that drafting is
unacceptable and cheating and then change the rules when it becomes a
little difficult to stand by it.

 
 
 

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by Troy B » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



> >> Thanks  Z for revisiting the boycott issue. This sport is fragile and many
> >> races are even moreso

> >> Any negativity may just get the organizers and sponsors to drop a race
> >> completely. Would the triathlon world be better off without Tampa bay.
> >> Rated the best urban tri in the country, and one ofthe only races in
> >> florida that truly captures the spirit of the  community. That's what we
> >> need, less great races that get both athletes and community energized
> >> about the sport.

> >> As far as other forms of protest, turning #'s upside down merely make the
> >> task of recording splits that much more difficult...thus reducing the race
> >> quality.

> >> folks St Anthony's could probably figure out a lot of other ways to raise
> >> as much money as they do with the tri....

> >> Additionally...consider this if you would, trifolks, in Florida S.A.T.B.T.
> >> annually gets the ball rolling to kick off the season. That means that if
> >> it did not exist, there might be a large number of folks who would not do
> >> a triathlon at all. People like me who eek out a living in service to your
> >> sport depend on the sport's growth.
> >> Save your Boycotts and protests for anti government demonstrations. Don't
> >> bite the St Anthony's hand that feeds you!!!
> >> john boyle

> >John,

> >You leave out a very important point.  The race director/organizers
> >can choose not to have drafting. Then a boycott would not be necessary,
> >and they would assure their races future.  People are suggesting a
> >boycott because they are not being heard that WE DON'T WANT DRAFTING IN
> >TRIATHLION!  Do not blame them for a races potential failure, blame
> >those who are allowing the drafting virus to spread!  You are directing
> >your frustration in the wrong direction, unless of course you support
> >drafting.

> >Gregg Trent

> GREG

> The point is not my support or disapproval of drafting. But first let me
> go on record as being against drafting.My only reason for getting onto
> this discussion [my first-ever ] is to speak out against a boycott,
> The St anthonys folks have made a decision for what they considered to be
> a legitimate reason...to support the pros who requested this alteration.
> The St Anthonys folks have stated that their age group race  will never
> never be draft legal.
> It's my opinion that people boycott things that scew them. This race has
> not done that. It has been there as a leading figure in the sport for
> years and just doesn't deserve harsh treatment.
> The purpose of a boycott is to get something changed. The change this one
> might very well evoke is the demise of a great race.
> And the most outlandish suggestion I've heard in this discussion is the
> boycott of sponsors. Do folks think that a sponsor who got one iota of
> negative publicity from involvement with triathlon would ever ever ever
> sponsor another one...keep dreaming.There are good races disappearing all
> over the country...... let me close with this question; would the
> triathlon world be better off without the St Anthony's Tampa Bay
> Triathlon? If your answer is an assured yes, then go ahead with your
> boycott......if it's anything less, really consider dropping this
> campaign.
> John Boyle

I agree, I must finally voice my opinion also on this subject. I am
against drafting and as an age grouper I won't be allowed to draft just
as I want it. Age groupers must support what they believe in but it
seems that pro drafting is out of our reach. The pros are the people
that have control over wether they draft or not. So as an age group
racer I will not boycott the race. Charlie will be there to make sure I
race according to the rules for my race so I am not going to boycott my
race because pros can draft.
Troy
 
 
 

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by TriGu » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Thanks  Z for revisiting the boycott issue. This sport is fragile and many
> races are even moreso

> >this is not a change of oppinion on my part- in my past postings I have
> >said that a boycott of St. Anthony's is the only way to send a message to
> >the race director that you do not want to attend a draft legal race.  If
> >enough athletes do this the race director will have no other choice but to
> >get rid of drafting, since the bottom line is always money.  This is
> >documented history as we dropped our draft legal elite division format
> >after the 1995 series (GTS) because of the many letters and phone calls
> >that we received from triathletes who were boycotting our series because
> >of drafting.  I am not in favor of a boycott against St. Anthony's or
> >USAT.  I know how a boycott can hurt a race and I would not want to see it
> >happen to any race director.  The future of the professionan side of
> >triathlon is a draft legal format.  Age-groupers might not like it but
> >they will have to get use to it, becuase it is here, for good.  I enjoyed
> >the draft legal format two years ago in the DTS series and I will go back
> >to it when the age-grouper finally except the fact that only the pro's
> >will be allowed to draft.  Z
> >Tom Ziebart - Exclusive Sports Marketing

> Any negativity may just get the organizers and sponsors to drop a race
> completely. Would the triathlon world be better off without Tampa bay.
> Rated the best urban tri in the country, and one ofthe only races in
> florida that truly captures the spirit of the  community. That's what we
> need, less great races that get both athletes and community energized
> about the sport.

> As far as other forms of protest, turning #'s upside down merely make the
> task of recording splits that much more difficult...thus reducing the race
> quality.

> >Since I'm looking for enough excusses to do St. Anthony's, why not take
> >advantage of the numbers of athletes who will be there and send a larger
> >message. Here are some thoughts.
> >1. Have a petition at the race for any participant to add their name.
> >Present it to the race director at the end of the race.
> >2. Turn your pin-on race number upside down.
> >3. Convince the pros that even though its a drafting legal race, just
> >don't draft (ok ok I know, I'm reaching).
> >4. Shave "NO DRAFTING" onto the back of your head. ;) I'd do it on top
> >too but..... so I can't affort Rogaine, OK?
> >etc.....

> >The number of folks who attend the race will no doubt excees the number
> >who boycott. Take full advantage. Something that has a definite presence
> >at the race will be more effective in getting the message across. It may
> >even show up in TRIATHLETE. You never know.

> >Keith

> folks St Anthony's could probably figure out a lot of other ways to raise
> as much money as they do with the tri....

> Additionally...consider this if you would, trifolks, in Florida S.A.T.B.T.
> annually gets the ball rolling to kick off the season. That means that if
> it did not exist, there might be a large number of folks who would not do
> a triathlon at all. People like me who eek out a living in service to your
> sport depend on the sport's growth.
> Save your Boycotts and protests for anti government demonstrations. Don't
> bite the St Anthony's hand that feeds you!!!
> john boyle

John, you have totally missed the point. Without age groupers both St.
Anthony's, you and Z are out of business. Should St. anthonys decide on
another approach to raising money I'm sure there are many race
directors  including yourself who would fill the vacuum and promote an
equally outstanding race particularly if you could get Ironman slots.

You people need to wake up. By tacitly allowing drafting you are
alienating over 90 percent of the triathlon community that oppose it and
oppose it vemently.

Simple math will tell you the risk you're taking.

Bernie Sher

 
 
 

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by Tricia Richt » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

     *****Tons of Boycott Dialog Snipped******

Quote:

> John, you have totally missed the point. Without age groupers both St.
> Anthony's, you and Z are out of business. Should St. anthonys decide on
> another approach to raising money I'm sure there are many race
> directors  including yourself who would fill the vacuum and promote an
> equally outstanding race particularly if you could get Ironman slots.

> You people need to wake up. By tacitly allowing drafting you are
> alienating over 90 percent of the triathlon community that oppose it and
> oppose it vemently.

> Simple math will tell you the risk you're taking.

I wonder about that.  Look, guys, don't get caught up in believing that
the storm of protest here on RST translates into an equivalent passion in
the tri-community at large.  Not that the majority of triathletes support
drafting---we've seen from various surveys the past couple of years that
that is definitely NOT the case.  I'm talking about a question of
awareness.

The average triathlete who is not an RSTer will probably be only vaguely
aware (if at all) that drafting will be permitted in the Pro ranks at St.
Anthony's.  If s/he IS aware of that fact, s/he will probably just think,
"Oh, well, that's for the pros only, so it doesn't affect me."  It
wouldn't even occur to Joe Triathlete to stay away from the race in
protest; why change his race schedule?  He just wants to go and do his own
race---who cares what the pros do?

What I'm saying is that Joe Triathlete is probably completely unaware of
the significance of this little change in the Pro format.  He is probably
only dimly aware of the politics going on in the sport around the drafting
issue, and if he is, he probably figures it's not something in which he
has any say.  It's beyond him.  

The point is, there are probably 9 or 10 such uninformed Joe Triathletes
out there for every passionate and informed RSTer who has been in on all
this discussion of the drafting at St. Anthony's thing.  That's enough Joe
Triathletes that the force of an RST-based boycott might not be quite as
significant as you believe it will.

Don't misunderstand; I am not trying to discourage you from boycotting!  I
support those of you who are making a conscious choice to avoid the race
in protest.  I'm merely cautioning you not to have an inflated sense of
RST's clout in the matter.  If every triathlete in the US could be privvy
to the discussions we've seen this past week, that would be another
matter!  If such were the case, I believe a boycott of epic proportions
would ensue, and there would be little question of the outcome.

Still ambivalent; I trust Charlie, Rick, Steve, and Karen, and understand
the tight spot everyone is in.  It truly is an unholy mess!

*sigh*

TriBaby

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"'Be a terrific innovation if you could get your mind to stretch a little further than the next wise crack."

"Y'know, I tried that once, but it didn't snap back into place."

---Katharine Hepburn & Eve Arden in "Stage Door" (1937)    

 
 
 

St Anthony's, Boycotts, Be Inventive

Post by TriGu » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


>      *****Tons of Boycott Dialog Snipped******

> > John, you have totally missed the point. Without age groupers both St.
> > Anthony's, you and Z are out of business. Should St. anthonys decide on
> > another approach to raising money I'm sure there are many race
> > directors  including yourself who would fill the vacuum and promote an
> > equally outstanding race particularly if you could get Ironman slots.

> > You people need to wake up. By tacitly allowing drafting you are
> > alienating over 90 percent of the triathlon community that oppose it and
> > oppose it vemently.

> > Simple math will tell you the risk you're taking.

> I wonder about that.  Look, guys, don't get caught up in believing that
> the storm of protest here on RST translates into an equivalent passion in
> the tri-community at large.  Not that the majority of triathletes support
> drafting---we've seen from various surveys the past couple of years that
> that is definitely NOT the case.  I'm talking about a question of
> awareness.

> The average triathlete who is not an RSTer will probably be only vaguely
> aware (if at all) that drafting will be permitted in the Pro ranks at St.
> Anthony's.  If s/he IS aware of that fact, s/he will probably just think,
> "Oh, well, that's for the pros only, so it doesn't affect me."  It
> wouldn't even occur to Joe Triathlete to stay away from the race in
> protest; why change his race schedule?  He just wants to go and do his own
> race---who cares what the pros do?

> What I'm saying is that Joe Triathlete is probably completely unaware of
> the significance of this little change in the Pro format.  He is probably
> only dimly aware of the politics going on in the sport around the drafting
> issue, and if he is, he probably figures it's not something in which he
> has any say.  It's beyond him.

> The point is, there are probably 9 or 10 such uninformed Joe Triathletes
> out there for every passionate and informed RSTer who has been in on all
> this discussion of the drafting at St. Anthony's thing.  That's enough Joe
> Triathletes that the force of an RST-based boycott might not be quite as
> significant as you believe it will.

> Don't misunderstand; I am not trying to discourage you from boycotting!  I
> support those of you who are making a conscious choice to avoid the race
> in protest.  I'm merely cautioning you not to have an inflated sense of
> RST's clout in the matter.  If every triathlete in the US could be privvy
> to the discussions we've seen this past week, that would be another
> matter!  If such were the case, I believe a boycott of epic proportions
> would ensue, and there would be little question of the outcome.

> Still ambivalent; I trust Charlie, Rick, Steve, and Karen, and understand
> the tight spot everyone is in.  It truly is an unholy mess!

> *sigh*

> TriBaby

> --

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "'Be a terrific innovation if you could get your mind to stretch a little further than the next wise crack."

> "Y'know, I tried that once, but it didn't snap back into place."

> ---Katharine Hepburn & Eve Arden in "Stage Door" (1937)

Tric, I don't disagree that the majority of trigeeks are unaware of the
St. Anthony's controversy. Additionally, I agree that RST does not
represent the triathlon community. However, it is a forum that gets
attention from the triathlon hierarcy. Steve, Rick, et al check RST to
gauge the pulse of the community and to gauge the reactions to their
policy. Have you ever gotten a response from USAT to one of your posts?
I'm sure you have as I and many others have.

So far as the passion in the triathlon community is concerned regarding
drafting, its there! How often have you listened to the grousing at a
race about packs being formed or the race director is ambivilent to
drafting or will not spend the bucks to enforce the "rule". With USAT
now ignoring drafting rules how will Joe Triathlete react in the future?
Will the attitude be, if its o.k. with USAT and the pros, its o.k. with
me to suck a wheel?  

So far as trusting the decisions of Steve, Rick etc., I think most of us
do. We may not agree at times and like all red ***ed humanoids we have
an opinion of those decisions. But USAT has in the past taken up self
serving positions and in this case it certainly is a self serving
position coming from a pro committee made up ostensible of pros against
drafting.

Yep, I'm not going to St. Anthony's although its in my back yard and one
of my favorite races. And, as soon as they get their E-Mail address up
I'll tell them why and I would hope the rest of RST would do the same.

Cheers,
Bernie Sher

 
 
 

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Post by Barry Gladi » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

As Tricia points out, most triathletes don't think about  
ITU/USAT/drafting - they just do their races, are happy to have races to
do, and have a good time with it. We may be a little bit unique on RST in
that we do have this forum to discuss the sport, the good and the bad,
and I'd like to think that as the organisers and federations have access
too, they are at least aware of the feelings and positions of we average
triathletes. Now whether they take any notice of us is a different story,
of course !!
As far as what we can do to ensure that we continue to compete in no-
drafting races, I think we must just at least scream ***y *** at
wheelsuckers during races, preferably within earshot or eyesight of the
(hopefully) provided draft marshalls. We could also undertake to forgo
maybe one race a season to assist an organiser in enforcing no-drafting -
they probably have enough trouble getting volunteers for such a thankless
task anyway, so would surely appreciate the help.
Another thing - it sounds like (once again, from RST) that the general
feeling in -USA, Australia, New Zealand, UK- is anti-drafting. Anyone
else out there from other countries care to provide opinions on behalf of
racers in their countries as to the feelings on drafting ?
Also, USAT, how about some form of survey amongst your membership as to
the average racers opinions on this.

Thanks
Cheers
Barry

 
 
 

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Post by ALVIS00 » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

gregg

it appears that you might not understand the concept of sponsorship. in
most cases sponsors do not have any interest in control, knowledge, rules,
or anything else about the sports. they want good pr period.
they have enough to do figuring out how to make and distribute their
product or service and have just signed on as a triathlon supporter as a
Means to that end. the moment this Means becomes anything less than that,
they bail out and find something easier and more productive on which to
spend their bucks.
have any of you folks supporting this boycott idea ever once tried to
speak with the folks at st anthonys one on one? don't boycotts come after
all else has failed? hasn't there already been a compromise?
again, boycott is not an action, in my opinion, that is going to be
beneficial
john boyle

 
 
 

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Post by John Kruempelstaedte » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I definitly would not like to see St. Anthony's fold, and I doubt it
> will if they hold on the decision to keep the pro drafting format.
> There will probably be a significant drop in the number of age-groupers,
> but I'm sure that some will still show for the race.  The boycott will
> definitely have affect on the $$ which will hopefully make it understood
> that most do not want drafting, and we are passionate about our sport
> remaining a time-trial.  If St. Anthony's does go under, so be it if the
> message gets across and the demise prevents other organizers from making
> a similiar bad decision.  I think all parties from the ITU, USAT, Pro's
> that support the draft format, down to the race directors, all will be
> responsible for a boycott if it occurs.  I do not feel that the sponsors
> of the event have direct enough control over the current situation, and
> probably did not even know about the decision.  Boycotting them really
> isn't warranted at this time, and I don't think it is necessary to get
> our grave concern across.  Hopefully St. Anthony's will not go belly up.
> If they make an exception once, it will be easier for them to do it
> again, unless there is some level of repercussion.  If it were my
> hometown race, I would have to make the same decision.  Its the
> waivering opinions and exceptions that have allowed the draft-legal
> format to survive.  Let's stop it now!

> Gregg Trent

I've been staying out of this until now.  But, I just read
what Gregg said above.... all I have to say is "ditto". I could't
have said it better myself.  His statement pretty much sums up
my views on the subject.

John (If we really want to make our point, it may hurt a little) K.

 
 
 

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Post by Rex Rac » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Thanks  Z for revisiting the boycott issue. This sport is fragile and many
> > races are even moreso

> > >this is not a change of oppinion on my part- in my past postings I have
> > >said that a boycott of St. Anthony's is the only way to send a message to
> > >the race director that you do not want to attend a draft legal race.  If
> > >enough athletes do this the race director will have no other choice but to
> > >get rid of drafting, since the bottom line is always money.  This is
> > >documented history as we dropped our draft legal elite division format
> > >after the 1995 series (GTS) because of the many letters and phone calls
> > >that we received from triathletes who were boycotting our series because
> > >of drafting.  I am not in favor of a boycott against St. Anthony's or
> > >USAT.  I know how a boycott can hurt a race and I would not want to see it
> > >happen to any race director.  The future of the professionan side of
> > >triathlon is a draft legal format.  Age-groupers might not like it but
> > >they will have to get use to it, becuase it is here, for good.  I enjoyed
> > >the draft legal format two years ago in the DTS series and I will go back
> > >to it when the age-grouper finally except the fact that only the pro's
> > >will be allowed to draft.  Z
> > >Tom Ziebart - Exclusive Sports Marketing

> > Any negativity may just get the organizers and sponsors to drop a race
> > completely. Would the triathlon world be better off without Tampa bay.
> > Rated the best urban tri in the country, and one ofthe only races in
> > florida that truly captures the spirit of the  community. That's what we
> > need, less great races that get both athletes and community energized
> > about the sport.

> > As far as other forms of protest, turning #'s upside down merely make the
> > task of recording splits that much more difficult...thus reducing the race
> > quality.

> > >Since I'm looking for enough excusses to do St. Anthony's, why not take
> > >advantage of the numbers of athletes who will be there and send a larger
> > >message. Here are some thoughts.
> > >1. Have a petition at the race for any participant to add their name.
> > >Present it to the race director at the end of the race.
> > >2. Turn your pin-on race number upside down.
> > >3. Convince the pros that even though its a drafting legal race, just
> > >don't draft (ok ok I know, I'm reaching).
> > >4. Shave "NO DRAFTING" onto the back of your head. ;) I'd do it on top
> > >too but..... so I can't affort Rogaine, OK?
> > >etc.....

> > >The number of folks who attend the race will no doubt excees the number
> > >who boycott. Take full advantage. Something that has a definite presence
> > >at the race will be more effective in getting the message across. It may
> > >even show up in TRIATHLETE. You never know.

> > >Keith

> > folks St Anthony's could probably figure out a lot of other ways to raise
> > as much money as they do with the tri....

> > Additionally...consider this if you would, trifolks, in Florida S.A.T.B.T.
> > annually gets the ball rolling to kick off the season. That means that if
> > it did not exist, there might be a large number of folks who would not do
> > a triathlon at all. People like me who eek out a living in service to your
> > sport depend on the sport's growth.
> > Save your Boycotts and protests for anti government demonstrations. Don't
> > bite the St Anthony's hand that feeds you!!!
> > john boyle

> John,

> You leave out a very important point.  The race director/organizers
> can choose not to have drafting. Then a boycott would not be necessary,
> and they would assure their races future.  People are suggesting a
> boycott because they are not being heard that WE DON'T WANT DRAFTING IN
> TRIATHLION!  Do not blame them for a races potential failure, blame
> those who are allowing the drafting virus to spread!  You are directing
> your frustration in the wrong direction, unless of course you support
> drafting.

> Gregg Trent

of course he supports drafting; have you ever had the misfortune of doing
one of this races?  perhaps I'm a bit sensitive coming from a cycling
background, but
drafting is cheating!

peace

 
 
 

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Post by Rex Rac » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Thanks  Z for revisiting the boycott issue. This sport is fragile and many
> > races are even moreso

> > >this is not a change of oppinion on my part- in my past postings I have
> > >said that a boycott of St. Anthony's is the only way to send a message to
> > >the race director that you do not want to attend a draft legal race.  If
> > >enough athletes do this the race director will have no other choice but to
> > >get rid of drafting, since the bottom line is always money.  This is
> > >documented history as we dropped our draft legal elite division format
> > >after the 1995 series (GTS) because of the many letters and phone calls
> > >that we received from triathletes who were boycotting our series because
> > >of drafting.  I am not in favor of a boycott against St. Anthony's or
> > >USAT.  I know how a boycott can hurt a race and I would not want to see it
> > >happen to any race director.  The future of the professionan side of
> > >triathlon is a draft legal format.  Age-groupers might not like it but
> > >they will have to get use to it, becuase it is here, for good.  I enjoyed
> > >the draft legal format two years ago in the DTS series and I will go back
> > >to it when the age-grouper finally except the fact that only the pro's
> > >will be allowed to draft.  Z
> > >Tom Ziebart - Exclusive Sports Marketing

> > Any negativity may just get the organizers and sponsors to drop a race
> > completely. Would the triathlon world be better off without Tampa bay.
> > Rated the best urban tri in the country, and one ofthe only races in
> > florida that truly captures the spirit of the  community. That's what we
> > need, less great races that get both athletes and community energized
> > about the sport.

> > As far as other forms of protest, turning #'s upside down merely make the
> > task of recording splits that much more difficult...thus reducing the race
> > quality.

> > >Since I'm looking for enough excusses to do St. Anthony's, why not take
> > >advantage of the numbers of athletes who will be there and send a larger
> > >message. Here are some thoughts.
> > >1. Have a petition at the race for any participant to add their name.
> > >Present it to the race director at the end of the race.
> > >2. Turn your pin-on race number upside down.
> > >3. Convince the pros that even though its a drafting legal race, just
> > >don't draft (ok ok I know, I'm reaching).
> > >4. Shave "NO DRAFTING" onto the back of your head. ;) I'd do it on top
> > >too but..... so I can't affort Rogaine, OK?
> > >etc.....

> > >The number of folks who attend the race will no doubt excees the number
> > >who boycott. Take full advantage. Something that has a definite presence
> > >at the race will be more effective in getting the message across. It may
> > >even show up in TRIATHLETE. You never know.

> > >Keith

> > folks St Anthony's could probably figure out a lot of other ways to raise
> > as much money as they do with the tri....

> > Additionally...consider this if you would, trifolks, in Florida S.A.T.B.T.
> > annually gets the ball rolling to kick off the season. That means that if
> > it did not exist, there might be a large number of folks who would not do
> > a triathlon at all. People like me who eek out a living in service to your
> > sport depend on the sport's growth.
> > Save your Boycotts and protests for anti government demonstrations. Don't
> > bite the St Anthony's hand that feeds you!!!
> > john boyle

> John,

> You leave out a very important point.  The race director/organizers
> can choose not to have drafting. Then a boycott would not be necessary,
> and they would assure their races future.  People are suggesting a
> boycott because they are not being heard that WE DON'T WANT DRAFTING IN
> TRIATHLION!  Do not blame them for a races potential failure, blame
> those who are allowing the drafting virus to spread!  You are directing
> your frustration in the wrong direction, unless of course you support
> drafting.

> Gregg Trent

of course he supports drafting; have you ever had the misfortune of doing
one of this races?  perhaps I'm a bit sensitive coming from a cycling
background, but
drafting is cheating!

peace