Entry Fees -- Relay vs Individual

Entry Fees -- Relay vs Individual

Post by Brian Krisle » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:48:36


What is the normal, expected difference between a
relay entry fee and an individual entry fee?

I have never done a relay so I never really paid much attention to the fee
difference.  

This week I was talking to a friend that was interested in doing a relay in
a local sprint.  He recently started riding a bike and thought that it
would be fun to try a race.  I found a swimmer and he found a runner.  He
then checked into the fee and found out it was the same for each member of
the relay as it was for an individual.  So this race would cost $135 for
the entire relay team.

This seams quite steep to me for a race that is .5/16/3.  Plus
if the person is only doing one leg, why should they have to
pay for a full race?  I can understand the relay fee being alittle
more, but triple?

Now my friend is not going to attempt the race.  I see this as discouraging
for the newbie participants as well as the sport in general.  My friend may
have enjoyed the race enough to want to try to compete as an individual
next time.  But we will never know....

FYI: The race is http://www.endlessmountianstriathlon.org

Brian Krisler
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Post by Jason O'Rour » Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:40:24


Quote:
>What is the normal, expected difference between a
>relay entry fee and an individual entry fee?

Many are about 1.5times the fee for a single.  $90 instead of 60, for
example.  Part of the difference is the extra tshirts and stuff.  

Other races, each individual is still paying about the full amount.  For
the Trical Alcatraz event, it's 185 for ind, 175 each for relays.  I
agree, that's pretty uninviting.  I wouldn't pay it either.
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Entry Fees -- Relay vs Individual

Post by Cleveland Steame » Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:37:39

I think it makes sense for relay fees to be triple the individual.
Everyone will get the same race packet (T-shirt, etc) and race insurance is
based on the number of participants (this is another cost).  There is also
extra administration to insure teams "handoff" properly etc.  Plus there is
the fact that relays are just a joke anyway.

Relays don't make any sense at all.  You are not a triathlete if you do a
relay.  Triathlon is about doing three events individually and if you can't
do that than you ought to find another sport.  How is participating in a
relay giving you any more experience about what a triathlon is, than being
a spectator to the event.  

 
 
 

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Post by Dave Kothe » Sun, 19 Aug 2001 03:33:40


Quote:
> I think it makes sense for relay fees to be triple the individual.
> Everyone will get the same race packet (T-shirt, etc) and race insurance
is
> based on the number of participants (this is another cost).  There is also
> extra administration to insure teams "handoff" properly etc.  Plus there
is
> the fact that relays are just a joke anyway.

> Relays don't make any sense at all.  You are not a triathlete if you do a
> relay.  Triathlon is about doing three events individually and if you
can't
> do that than you ought to find another sport.  How is participating in a
> relay giving you any more experience about what a triathlon is, than being
> a spectator to the event.

Amen to that!!!!!!!
 
 
 

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Post by Billy » Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:56:20

I think there needs to be some relay entrants to get people into the sport.
My first race was an 85 Bud Light Half Tri where I did the bike as part of a
relay.  Next race was in 95 as part of a duathlon relay team.  In 97 I
graduated to doing a solo duathlon when my relay partner broke an arm at the
last moment.  In 98 I went on to do 9 duathlons solo placing in seven of the
races.  In 2000 I started doing triathlons.  If someone had told me I had to
start by doing all three events I'd never have reached this level.


Quote:



>> I think it makes sense for relay fees to be triple the individual.
>> Everyone will get the same race packet (T-shirt, etc) and race insurance
>is
>> based on the number of participants (this is another cost).  There is
also
>> extra administration to insure teams "handoff" properly etc.  Plus there
>is
>> the fact that relays are just a joke anyway.

>> Relays don't make any sense at all.  You are not a triathlete if you do a
>> relay.  Triathlon is about doing three events individually and if you
>can't
>> do that than you ought to find another sport.  How is participating in a
>> relay giving you any more experience about what a triathlon is, than
being
>> a spectator to the event.

>Amen to that!!!!!!!

 
 
 

Entry Fees -- Relay vs Individual

Post by Brian Wagne » Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:54:35

Quote:

> This seams quite steep to me for a race that is .5/16/3.  Plus
> if the person is only doing one leg, why should they have to
> pay for a full race?  

Excuse me, you're on a relay team, so you only get one third of a
t-shirt, and when you're done, you may have one third of a
bagel.  Get the picture?
 
 
 

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Post by Brian Wagne » Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:56:09

Quote:

> Relays don't make any sense at all.  You are not a triathlete if you do a
> relay.  Triathlon is about doing three events individually and if you can't
> do that than you ought to find another sport.  How is participating in a
> relay giving you any more experience about what a triathlon is, than being
> a spectator to the event.

I like this person's attitude!
 
 
 

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Post by Brian Wagne » Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:59:07

Quote:

> I think there needs to be some relay entrants to get people into the sport.
> ...If someone had told me I had to
> start by doing all three events I'd never have reached this level.

Why?  Other people do it all the time - maybe you should be
asking yourself what they have that you need.
Why should the sport be altered to coax you in?
 
 
 

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Post by TRIathlt » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:39:02

Ah, but it gets there feet wet and they may decide to do it as an individual if
the experience is good. Thats how I got started many moons ago at the Phoenix
stop of the Coors Light Duathlon series. Been hooked ever since.
B.Oliver
Quote:

>> Relays don't make any sense at all.  You are not a triathlete if you do a
>> relay.  Triathlon is about doing three events individually and if you can't
>> do that than you ought to find another sport.  How is participating in a
>> relay giving you any more experience about what a triathlon is, than being
>> a spectator to the event.

>I like this person's attitude!

 
 
 

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Post by Jason O'Rour » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 04:40:21


Quote:
>Why?  Other people do it all the time - maybe you should be
>asking yourself what they have that you need.
>Why should the sport be altered to coax you in?

No one ever said the 4x100 relay was a bastardation of the 400m race, or
the 4x400 of the mile.  I'm surprised that I haven't seen competitive
entries in the relay division - they ought to be able to compete with the
pros.  

It's appears to be for those who would rather skip one of the events, or
just doesn't want to race the full length.  Or if you have another race
soon before or after, maybe you just want to work on one race piece that
day.  I can't imagine wanted to do the swim leg, though.  Your part could
be over in as little as 5 minutes.

I was nearly entered in a relay this weekend.  I guess I had a different
notion of what 'team entry' meant than they did.  I thought we were
getting a small price break for entering 3 people.  No way was I going to
relay a sprint!  We paid the extra bucks and went ind.  
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Post by Brian Wagne » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 05:33:08

Quote:

> No one ever said the 4x100 relay was a bastardation of the 400m race, or
> the 4x400 of the mile.

Nor are they run together.

Quote:
> I'm surprised that I haven't seen competitive
> entries in the relay division - they ought to be able to compete with the
> pros.

I see them all the time - the top relay team finishes better than
the top individual.

Quote:
> It's appears to be for those who would rather skip one of the events, or
> just doesn't want to race the full length.

i.e. don't want to do a triathlon.
 
 
 

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Post by Jason O'Rour » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 05:46:19


Quote:
>> It's appears to be for those who would rather skip one of the events, or
>> just doesn't want to race the full length.

>i.e. don't want to do a triathlon.

And as I said, there are lots of reasons for it, which even you should
find acceptable.  There are only so many open water swim events and
dualathons, even in the SF Bay.  And if you don't like going to races
alone, you can always go along with your tri buddies.  

And as I keep finding out, swimming alone in the bay only does so much to
prepare me for swimming in the masses.  The best practice is in a race,
but perhaps you don't want to do the whole race.  

(there's something odd about people who continuously advocate independent
thinking yet also feel the need to brand others as non participants
because they don't see things the same way)
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Post by Sam » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:16:03

I will call Amy Van***n, Lance Armstrong (or Steve Larsen for that matter)
and Khalid to see if they have any plans :)

My first experience with triathlon was through a relay back in 1986.  A
couple of friends had heard about this tri but because of medical school for
one and grad school for the other, they could not really devote the time to
training.  So they called me (the runner, also in grad school) and suggested
we do it as an experience and a get together.  We came in second to a bunch
of Marines.....I argued that we were probably the best educated relay.  Got
me interested in doing triathlons.


Quote:

> >Why?  Other people do it all the time - maybe you should be
> >asking yourself what they have that you need.
> >Why should the sport be altered to coax you in?

> No one ever said the 4x100 relay was a bastardation of the 400m race, or
> the 4x400 of the mile.  I'm surprised that I haven't seen competitive
> entries in the relay division - they ought to be able to compete with the
> pros.

> It's appears to be for those who would rather skip one of the events, or
> just doesn't want to race the full length.  Or if you have another race
> soon before or after, maybe you just want to work on one race piece that
> day.  I can't imagine wanted to do the swim leg, though.  Your part could
> be over in as little as 5 minutes.

> I was nearly entered in a relay this weekend.  I guess I had a different
> notion of what 'team entry' meant than they did.  I thought we were
> getting a small price break for entering 3 people.  No way was I going to
> relay a sprint!  We paid the extra bucks and went ind.
> --

> Rec.scuba strokes pics page: www.jor.com/strokes
> Aquashot page: www.jor.com/dive/aquashot

 
 
 

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Post by Jaeg » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:26:50

How about from a race director's standpoint.
I think most RD;s only include them because of tradition and to not to
have to deal with a dozen phone calls from people complaining that you
don't have a relay.
The fees should be triple an individual fee, but most RD's decrease it
maybe 5-10 dollars a person.  All the fees associated with three
people are tripled so why not the relay fee.
As for timing, the program most RD's use makes us set up an entirely
different timing database for relays. It involves quite a bit of extra
time to set up and on race day it is frequently the source of many
headaches.  There has never been a race yet that I've timed that on
race day a pre-registered relay has not decided to change one of it's
members without telling us that they are now a mixed relay instead of
a male relay.  Come to the awards and everything gets screwed up.
Trust me, RD's can do without relays.
The same can be said with Clydesdale and Athena divisions.  A whole
nother timing system needs to be in place for them and they also don't
pay extra even though it creates more work and also involves more
expense (trophies).  Now I hear they want a super Clydesdale.  What
about tall people, low IQ people, follically impaired people, where
does it stop.
Here's a vote for Overall and age group and that's it
Brad Jaeger
 
 
 

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Post by Brian Wagne » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:39:01

Quote:

> (there's something odd about people who continuously advocate independent
> thinking yet also feel the need to brand others as non participants
> because they don't see things the same way)

Independent thinking can still be either right or wrong.
I'm not sure which is worse, arriving at the right conclusion by
following a herd, or arriving at a wrong conclusion
independently, but both are to be avoided.