Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Bruce Plat » Fri, 06 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> > That ad  for QR in this month's Triathlete can get you salivating.  The
> > bikes look great....I do agree with Brian about the graphics in the new
> > fork though....The fork seems to have great science behind it, but will it
> > look a little cheesy two years from now?

> Unfortunately, I haven't seen the ad to which you refer. But, I say the
> he** with the looks, if it works better than everything else, then I'd
> love to have one. But, the question is, how do we know it works better
> than, say, a very narrow-crowned fork? I have yet to see any "great
> science" to this effect - maybe there's some info in the ad?

None in the ad... But I belive wind tunnel test results are what is
printed on the side of the fork.   ;-)

TriRef

 
 
 

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Andrew R. Cogga » Fri, 06 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> But I belive wind tunnel test results are what is
> printed on the side of the fork.   ;-)

> TriRef

Heh, heh, heh. Sort of reminds me of a Chicago Bears quarterback back in
the '70's (was it Virgil Carter?), who was pressed into duty on short
notice, and had to play a few games with all the plays, signals, etc.,
written on his pants!

 
 
 

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Dan Empfie » Fri, 06 Dec 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
> There is also another choice (not to in any way detract for
> QR's fork) that is available for aero forks.  Franklin bicycles
> makes a fork out of air foil steel.

There's also the Wynn, Giant, Profile, Lotus, and Hotta forks, at varying
prices, all available in 700c.   They're all more or less aero forks.

QRman

 
 
 

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Dan Empfie » Fri, 06 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> I have yet to see any "great science" to this effect

I'll check and see if there's anything in Cycling Science about it.  If
not, this *may* mean our aero fork simply doesn't exist.  This has me a
little worried, because we've certainly spent a lot of money on its
development.  I know the checks we wrote exist.  They money we spent used
to exist, but doesn't any more.  Well, I guess it exists, just not in our
account.  There's a bright side to this,  if our aero fork simply doesn't
exist, it'll be really light.

QRman

 
 
 

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Andrew R. Cogga » Fri, 06 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> > I have yet to see any "great science" to this effect
> I'll check and see if there's anything in Cycling Science about it.  If
> not, this *may* mean our aero fork simply doesn't exist.

(snip)

Darn, you've seen through my ploy...I was hoping I could cajole, bait,
needle, embarrass, and/or flame you into giving up any data. Oh well, at
least I (and I imagine others) got a few laughs from your response -
thanks!

Andrew ("Looking-at-the-world-through-science-colored-glasses") Coggan

 
 
 

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Ian Lill » Sat, 07 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



> > There is also another choice (not to in any way detract for
> > QR's fork) that is available for aero forks.  Franklin bicycles
> > makes a fork out of air foil steel.

> There's also the Wynn, Giant, Profile, Lotus, and Hotta forks, at varying
> prices, all available in 700c.   They're all more or less aero forks.

> QRman

Dan,
is this the same fork as shown at the attached URL?

http://www.bicycleguide.com/scoop/9609/interbike/kinesis.html

Ian
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Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Dan Empfie » Tue, 10 Dec 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
> is this the same fork as shown at the attached URL?

Yes it is.  Bicycle Guide's quote is not quite accurate.  Kinesis is the
builder of this fork, it is a joint project between them and us, i.e.,
we're the designer, they're the builder.  You will absolutely see this
fork on other bikes within a year, and you'll see it in 700c.
Theoretically this fork is available in 700c as well,  but we have so many
of these to make in 26" that there won't be any production available in
700c for quite awhile.  Therefore, those who want this fork in 700c, or a
fork like it, will either have to wait, or they'll have to buy one of the
other forks I mentioned yesterday in my post.

QRman

 
 
 

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by ABTr » Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Is the KILO available as a frame only?  Does QR ever intend on returning
to high quality steel frames (zero gravity)?  I love QR and have been
riding a zero gravity for three years.  Just daydreaming about what the
next frame for me will be.  I have every intenetion to stick with QR.
Keep up the good work, Dan.

Bill

 
 
 

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Jimtra » Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>Does QR ever intend on returning
>to high quality steel frames (zero gravity)?  I love QR and >have been
>riding a zero gravity for three years.  Just daydreaming >about what the
>next frame for me will be.  I have every intenetion to stick >with QR.
>Keep up the good work, Dan.
>Bill

Bill,

Steel is for real.  I have an awesome QR steel frame; the Q Road.  I do
all my training, and most of my bike racing on it.  I agree with you.
There's something special about the feel of a nice steel frame.  Huh, huh.
 Huh, huh.

Sincerely,
Jimmy Riccitello

 
 
 

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Dan Empfie » Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> >Does QR ever intend on returning
> >to high quality steel frames (zero gravity)?  I love QR and >have been
> >riding a zero gravity for three years.  Just daydreaming >about what the
> >next frame for me will be.  I have every intenetion to stick >with QR.
> >Keep up the good work, Dan.
> Steel is for real.  I have an awesome QR steel frame; the Q Road.  I do
> all my training, and most of my bike racing on it.  I agree with you.
> There's something special about the feel of a nice steel frame.  Huh, huh.
>  Huh, huh.

thank you beavis.

we certainly will return to steel.  special editions cost us more to
produce than kilos (not that kilos are cheap to make, they are quite
expensive).  but making a pro steel road frame in the U.S. is hugely
expensive.

last year we actually lost money on every special edition we sold.  but we
were happy to do so, because we made a very fine bike that, frankly, in
our own opinion, allowed us to spank companies that tried to sell a
complete tri bike for close to $1,500.   we want the $1,500-$2,000 price
point very badly, and are going to protect it jealously, and so the
special edition was simply a casualty of economics for us.  since we're
selling kilos for $1,500 complete, the special edition just couldn't make
the starting lineup.   a time will come again when the virtues of an
expensive pro steel frame will outshine issues such as weight,  and then
we will start producing them again.

we actually still make steel bikes, we make them only for the road race
market.  also, we made a special bike for mac martin in hawaii, which was
a zero gravity with the kilo private reserve's carbon gusset installed
(along with an Illuminaero fork).  he rode a 4:43 on that bike, which was
quite fast for an old fart (I think about 8 or 9 minutes faster than the
next fastest guys in his age group, which were Dave Scott and Scott
Tinley).

I think we're probably going to offer Zero Gravity owners a gusset
retrofit and repaint, probably for about $300, which I think will be a
nice way to spruce up what was one of the nicer bikes we ever made, and in
that way we're sort of still in the steel business.

QRman

 
 
 

Dan Empfield: is the Illuminaero fork available in 700c?

Post by Sjca » Mon, 16 Dec 1996 04:00:00

I read with interest the rooworld ironman bike survey.  Thanks for putting
in an excellent effort to keep us informed.  I was wondering though about
wheels.  Do you have any breakdown of wheel brand or type (other than 700
vs 26")?  I'm curious what the most popular wheel is: Zipp, Hed, Spinergy,
Campy, etc.  What wheel to you recommend with your bikes?  What did
Hellreigel ride on?
Steve