Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Douglas J. Bro » Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Altanta is a poor choice for the summer Olympics games.

I disagree, but I have my gripes, too.

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>Some of the reasons are:
>The modern era of the Olympics games began in 1896 in Athens, Greece
>and it would have been fiting to return for the centential.

I agree. 1996 Athens, 2000 Atlanta, 2004 Sydney would have been fine
by me. Or even reverse 2000 and 2004, making it 20 years between US
hosting the summer games.

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>Holding the games in the US results excessive commercialization of the games
>and blatant nationalism in its worse form. a permanent Olympic site should be established in Greece
>to avoid the excesses we will seen over the next few weeks.

No, no and no. The commercialism is crass and overdone, and the games
too often in the US (three in 16 years!), but the Olympics should be
shared with the world. I hope to see them in Africa and South America
in my lifetime.

Quote:
>The summer heat endangers the lives of the atheletes and detracts from their performance.

Agreed. The games should have been held in September, the month that
Sydney will host theirs in four years.

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>Also Atlanta is a second class city with no clear identity and is a poor choice of host city.

Could not disagree more. Atlanta is a first-class city, a unique blend
of Old South, New South and New World, with a rich multi-ethnic and
multi-cultural lifestyle. It is, in this regard, similar to Montreal
(though, of course, the blend differed there). It is also the only
city to host the Games yet that has such a rich black heritage, one
that must be honored, especially when black athletes have given so
much to the Games.

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>As you sit through the 1000th Coke commercial and witness sportscasters weeping when some amercian
>wins an event you will begin to agree with my point-of-view.

Er... they did the same thing when the Games were held in Barcelona.
Just as many ads, just as much chauvinism. (It was, IMO, at its worst
in 1980 and 1984, because of the economy and the world situation at
the time.) The US should not host so many Games not because our
television commentators are chauvinistic, but because we should share
with the world.
 
 
 

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by R. Cunde » Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Altanta is a poor choice for the summer Olympics games.
Some of the reasons are:
The modern era of the Olympics games began in 1896 in Athens, Greece
and it would have been fiting to return for the centential.
Holding the games in the US results excessive commercialization of the games
and blatant nationalism in its worse form. a permanent Olympic site should be established in Greece
to avoid the excesses we will seen over the next few weeks.
The summer heat endangers the lives of the atheletes and detracts from their performance.
Also Atlanta is a second class city with no clear identity and is a poor choice of host city.
As you sit through the 1000th Coke commercial and witness sportscasters weeping when some amercian
wins an event you will begin to agree with my point-of-view.

 
 
 

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Pete » Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Altanta is a poor choice for the summer Olympics games.

Ummmm ..... to late now mate.

 
 
 

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Scott Lan » Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:00:00

atlanta was selected as the host for the centennial olympic games because
atlanta is a wonderful city with the ability and desire to host this
event.  one of the major reasons atlanta overcame athens in the voting by
the ioc was the simple fact that athens does not have the facilities,
infrastructure, or security that atlanta has.  your disdain for america
aside, atlanta was the best choice for the ioc, and we are all looking
forward to sharing our home with the world.  cheers 7:']
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Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Arthur E. Ragost » Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Altanta is a poor choice for the summer Olympics games.
> Some of the reasons are:
> The modern era of the Olympics games began in 1896 in Athens, Greece
> and it would have been fiting to return for the centential.
> Holding the games in the US results excessive commercialization of the games
> and blatant nationalism in its worse form. a permanent Olympic site should be established in Greece
> to avoid the excesses we will seen over the next few weeks.

You forgot one thing... It is the International Olympic Committe that refuses
to put TV coverage requirements in place.  Instead, they simply require
big bucks.  I doubt that Greek TV would pay those bucks.

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> The summer heat endangers the lives of the atheletes and detracts from their performance.

Its the same for everyone.  Perhaps the athletes who do well in the heat
are entitled to their day.

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> Also Atlanta is a second class city with no clear identity and is a poor choice of host city.

This deserves no comment

Quote:
> As you sit through the 1000th Coke commercial and witness sportscasters weeping when some amercian
> wins an event you will begin to agree with my point-of-view.

Not likely
 
 
 

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Frazer Middleto » Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> No, no and no. The commercialism is crass and overdone, and the games
> too often in the US (three in 16 years!), but the Olympics should be

Errrm?  3 in 16 years?  Lets see...

1996 - Atlanta, USA
1992 - Barcelona, Spain
1988 - Seoul, South Korea
1984 - Los Angeles, USA
1980 - Moscow, USSR
1976 - Montreal, Canada
1972 - Munich, Germany
1968 - Mexico City, Mexico

I only counted twice there...  I agree though, 1996 should have
been Athens, and then Atlanta in 2000.  What I want to know is:
will Manchester, England ever get its chance?  We (UK) hosted the
games twice when it might not otherwise have run (after 1st and 2nd
World Wars) - maybe its about time that we had our chance to run it
under "normal" circumstances.

Regards,
-Frazer-

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Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by J. Andrew Lipsco » Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:00:00

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> > No, no and no. The commercialism is crass and overdone, and the games
> > too often in the US (three in 16 years!), but the Olympics should be

> Errrm?  3 in 16 years?  Lets see...

> 1996 - Atlanta, USA
> 1992 - Barcelona, Spain
> 1988 - Seoul, South Korea
> 1984 - Los Angeles, USA
> 1980 - Moscow, USSR
> 1976 - Montreal, Canada
> 1972 - Munich, Germany
> 1968 - Mexico City, Mexico

> I only counted twice there...  I agree though, 1996 should have
> been Athens, and then Atlanta in 2000.  What I want to know is:
> will Manchester, England ever get its chance?  We (UK) hosted the
> games twice when it might not otherwise have run (after 1st and 2nd
> World Wars) - maybe its about time that we had our chance to run it
> under "normal" circumstances.

Oh--if he's saying 16 years, he's including Lake Placid 1980W.  I'm hoping
Nashville gets a bid together eventually...  Given the danger of being in
either Athens (which was having a terrorism nightmare at the time it was
passed over) or Atlanta (which in one recent year had the highest crime
rate in the US), I would have voted for Toronto.


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Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Douglas J. Bro » Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


>> No, no and no. The commercialism is crass and overdone, and the games
>> too often in the US (three in 16 years!), but the Olympics should be
>Errrm?  3 in 16 years?  Lets see...
>1996 - Atlanta, USA
>1992 - Barcelona, Spain
>1988 - Seoul, South Korea
>1984 - Los Angeles, USA
>1980 - Moscow, USSR
>1976 - Montreal, Canada
>1972 - Munich, Germany
>1968 - Mexico City, Mexico
>I only counted twice there...

I was including the Winter Games in the three... the third being Lake
Placid 1980, the only Games I've been to before now. <smile>

Quote:
> I agree though, 1996 should have
>been Athens, and then Atlanta in 2000.  What I want to know is:
>will Manchester, England ever get its chance?  We (UK) hosted the
>games twice when it might not otherwise have run (after 1st and 2nd
>World Wars) - maybe its about time that we had our chance to run it
>under "normal" circumstances.

I certainly would go along with that. Or how about Scotland?
 
 
 

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Capt » Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I would've given it to:

1996 Athens
2000 Toronto
2004 Sydney
2008 San Francisco
2012 Johannesburg
2016 Rio De Janiero
2020 Washington, DC
2024 London
2028 Beijing
2032 Paris
2036 Melbourne
2040 Vancouver
2044 Bogota
2048 Cairo
2052 Oslo (becoming the 1st city to hold the summer and winter games, and
              joining Athens in holding 2 Olympiads exactly 100 years
apart)
2056 Madrid
2060 Houston
2064 Seoul
2068 Auckland
2072 Hamburg
2076 San Francisco
2080 Moscow (the 3rd city to hold 2 Olympiads 100 years apart)
2084 Montreal
2088 Rome
2092 Mexico City
2096 Athens

...and so on!

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Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by David Wut » Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:00:00

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> Well, as a Greek-Canadian, who is currently living in Greece, I tend to
> agree with Mr. Ragosta that something has to be said for tradition
[snip]
> 2.disregard for anything 'old' or traditional,

If you want to see tradition, open your eyes during the Opening Ceremonies...

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> 3. hype in general.  I choose to leave North America and live in Europe
> (more specifically the Mediterranean; first Italy, then Spain and now
> Greece) particulary because I saw through the facade that North America
> has constructed to hide behind.  They have little history, and feel
> subconscious about it.  Hence, they have to convince themselves, and the
> rest of the world, that history and tradition are unimportant and
> obstacles to PROGRESS.

Yeah, right.  First, we remember a lot more of our history then you think.
How many countries actually highlight their civil wars? (not that this is that
good of a thing to remember).

And second, the USA is barely over 200 years old.  It's impossible to have as
much history as European nations.  Does that mean that our history is less important
than others?  I think not.

David

 
 
 

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Frazer Middleto » Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> I certainly would go along with that. Or how about Scotland?

Not a day too soon - how about Edinburgh?  Anyone care to help me
put a bid together?

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Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Aspasia Dassio » Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Altanta is a poor choice for the summer Olympics games.
> > Some of the reasons are:
> > The modern era of the Olympics games began in 1896 in Athens, Greece
> > and it would have been fiting to return for the centential.

> > Holding the games in the US results excessive commercialization of the games
> > and blatant nationalism in its worse form. a permanent Olympic site should be established in Greece
> > to avoid the excesses we will seen over the next few weeks.

> You forgot one thing... It is the International Olympic Committe that refuses
> to put TV coverage requirements in place.  Instead, they simply require
> big bucks.  I doubt that Greek TV would pay those bucks.

> > The summer heat endangers the lives of the atheletes and detracts from their performance.

> Its the same for everyone.  Perhaps the athletes who do well in the heat
> are entitled to their day.

> > Also Atlanta is a second class city with no clear identity and is a poor choice of host city.

> This deserves no comment

> > As you sit through the 1000th Coke commercial and witness sportscasters weeping when some amercian
> > wins an event you will begin to agree with my point-of-view.

> Not likelyWell, as a Greek-Canadian, who is currently living in Greece, I tend to

agree with Mr. Ragosta that something has to be said for tradition (that
is why we continue with the games, isn't it?) so location is symbolical
and important.  The fact the 100 years after the reinstating of the
games Atlanta was chosen over Athens (no comment on Toronto, although it
is my home town) bespeaks of the values that our modern community (re:
the modern community American media is plastering all over the world)
which are 1.money, 2.disregard for anything 'old' or traditional, 3.
hype in general.  I choose to leave North America and live in Europe
(more specifically the Mediterranean; first Italy, then Spain and now
Greece) particulary because I saw through the facade that North America
has constructed to hide behind.  They have little history, and feel
subconscious about it.  Hence, they have to convince themselves, and the
rest of the world, that history and tradition are unimportant and
obstacles to PROGRESS.  Everything has its own importance, and should be
respected (tradition and innovation).  We just have to figure out when
to support one and when the other.  The Olympic Games represent an
ancient GREEK TRADITION and should be supported as such.
 
 
 

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Douglas J. Bro » Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I love Atlanta, but I think a lot of what you say is true. I think
that there was a second factor for the IOC, though... that being the
bad security reputation of the Athens airport. Still, if the bucks
were there, I think Athens would have gotten either 1996 or 2000.

 
 
 

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by Mark » Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I have no doubt the Atlanta 1996 is being as hailed as the greatest Olympics ever.
After it is over they will rave about the number of world and olympics records that
were broken, the number of people participating/spectating and the profit that was
made.
However, I'm a slightly old fashioned in my opinions as to what constitute a
wonderful Olympics. I was lucky enough to go to Barcelona in 1992 and experience the
wonderful culture and heritage of the city, the friendly and knowledgable people
that we met and the general ethos and spirit in which the Games were played. (with
the exception of the judo). There was no demented eagerness to win at all costs by
the hosts, or to distract the other competitors with mindless chanting. Instead, the
people ignored the nationality of the competitors and just marvelled at their
abilities.

 
 
 

Atlanta is a poor venue for the Olympics

Post by plego.. » Sat, 20 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>  Altanta is a poor choice for the summer Olympics games.
>  Some of the reasons are:
>  The summer heat endangers the lives of the atheletes and detracts from their performance.

Have you ever been to Greece in the summer?  We were there a few years ago during the summer,
mainly around Athens but saw other areas as well.  That air-conditioned motor coach sure was a
woderful sight after a bit of sightseeing!  The heat doesn't usually bother me, but it sure was hot and
sticky! Our guide arranged for us to visit the Acropolis first thing one morning before the heat got so
bad!
Penny