NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Lucy » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>    Okay, I know it is an American coverage, and the American is the
>crowd favorite, and they have a slight chance to be medalled, at least
>for a brief while, so I am fully expected that NBC is going to give a
>bigger proportion to the American Team. If NBC is going to give 50% of
>the gymnastic coverage time to the American Team, it might still be
>justified. However, what they did last night is outragous and
>ridiculous. Virtually NO TEAM other than the US is showed until the LAST
>rotation!! Completely ignoring the close battle for gold between the
>Chinese and the Russians. If they want to dramatized the competition of
>the American, at least they should show more of the Belarussian and
>Ukrainian, whom the Americans are trying to catch. Instead they only
>showed a small clip of ONE Ukrainian, not even the complete routine, and
>the clip is when the Ukrainian fall from the bar, which John Tesh
>repeatedly mentioning in order to give out the impression that the
>American are still in contention. Worse still are most of the American
>routines are really medicore. Fortunately, the Russians turn out some
>spectcular performance that are really worth showing on the high bar,
>their last apparatus. It is only this to salvage the crappy broadcast of
>NBC.

We had better coverage in the UK - without any team in the competition
I guess the producers could choose the full range of teams and apparatus.

But I have to say the American crowds in the stadium ruined the viewing
for me on more than one occasion. I could have understood them getting
that e***d if the USA team were winning, or were trying for bronze,
but they were in 5th place! It was obvious that the noise was putting
off the other gymnasts, anyone would have thought the USA men were
scoring straight 10's on everything!

At least I have no complaints about the coverage though, the BBC had it
right because they mostly showed China and Russia (50% between them)
and all the Vitaly Scherbo performances, as well as a fair selection
from the other teams.

It's probably going to get worse for the women's events as the USA team
really do have a great chance of gold.

Lucy
(usual disclaimer)

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Lai Leo » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00

        Okay, I know it is an American coverage, and the American is the
crowd favorite, and they have a slight chance to be medalled, at least
for a brief while, so I am fully expected that NBC is going to give a
bigger proportion to the American Team. If NBC is going to give 50% of
the gymnastic coverage time to the American Team, it might still be
justified. However, what they did last night is outragous and
ridiculous. Virtually NO TEAM other than the US is showed until the LAST
rotation!! Completely ignoring the close battle for gold between the
Chinese and the Russians. If they want to dramatized the competition of
the American, at least they should show more of the Belarussian and
Ukrainian, whom the Americans are trying to catch. Instead they only
showed a small clip of ONE Ukrainian, not even the complete routine, and
the clip is when the Ukrainian fall from the bar, which John Tesh
repeatedly mentioning in order to give out the impression that the
American are still in contention. Worse still are most of the American
routines are really medicore. Fortunately, the Russians turn out some
spectcular performance that are really worth showing on the high bar,
their last apparatus. It is only this to salvage the crappy broadcast of
NBC.

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by naomi pard » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>    Okay, I know it is an American coverage, and the American is the
> crowd favorite, and they have a slight chance to be medalled, at least
> for a brief while, so I am fully expected that NBC is going to give a
> bigger proportion to the American Team. If NBC is going to give 50% of
> the gymnastic coverage time to the American Team, it might still be
> justified. However, what they did last night is outragous and
> ridiculous. Virtually NO TEAM other than the US is showed until the LAST
> rotation!! Completely ignoring the close battle for gold between the
> Chinese and the Russians.

Don't you know that it's more important to show a 20 minute documentary
on the Civil War than it is to show men's gymnastics....

The one GOOD thing about the coverage is that they didn't spend a lot of
time showing the guys waiting around for their scores. When I routine
ended, they did, very often, cut immediately to one of the other
countries, even if it was in mid-routine. If they could have skipped all
the fluff pieces, and done that consistantly, we could have seen a good
percentage of the competition.

I also couldn't believe the remarks from the comentators (AND from the
main US gymnast) about how CLOSE they were to winning the bronze... Yeah,
for a brief moment they were in 4th place, before dropping back to 5th.
Yes, they COULD have won the bronze, if everyone had done excellent
routines. But it wasn't THAT likely.

Naomi

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Randy Bea » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Yes, I agree that there is no way to fully telivise a 4 or 6 ring circus,
> but they could certainly do better than they do. If they simply moved
> from event to event, without waiting around for scores and relating
> anecdotes about the atheletes and breaking for fluff pieces, they could
> easily show twice as many routines as they do. (Also, some routines are
> longer than others. After an American completes a vault, why not switch
> immediately to another apparatus, which will probably still be going on.)

> Naomi

Interesting thread.  I've heard some people complain about not showing
the scores and some wish they would move on to another apparatus or
event and not worry about the scores.  I'm in both camps and realize the
only way I could really enjoy it is to be there at the games.
Unfortunately I'm stuck here in SA and have to enjoy on NBC.  While it
may not be what I really want at the time, I'm enjoying NBC's coverage
of the games, even with their glitches and up-close profiles.  For a
sports junkie, the only way to really enjoy is just be there.  Also we
have to remember that the majority of viewers are casual sports fans
that just watch a sport during the Olympics and would prefer to see the
USA teams compete.  Hard to please everyone.

Randy Bear
San Antonio, TX

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Ed Suran » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>    Okay, I know it is an American coverage, and the American is the
>crowd favorite, and they have a slight chance to be medalled, at least
>for a brief while, so I am fully expected that NBC is going to give a
>bigger proportion to the American Team. If NBC is going to give 50% of
>the gymnastic coverage time to the American Team, it might still be
>justified. However, what they did last night is outragous and
>ridiculous. Virtually NO TEAM other than the US is showed until the LAST
>rotation!! Completely ignoring the close battle for gold between the
>Chinese and the Russians. If they want to dramatized the competition of
>the American, at least they should show more of the Belarussian and
>Ukrainian, whom the Americans are trying to catch. Instead they only
>showed a small clip of ONE Ukrainian, not even the complete routine, and
>the clip is when the Ukrainian fall from the bar, which John Tesh
>repeatedly mentioning in order to give out the impression that the
>American are still in contention. Worse still are most of the American
>routines are really medicore. Fortunately, the Russians turn out some
>spectcular performance that are really worth showing on the high bar,
>their last apparatus. It is only this to salvage the crappy broadcast of
>NBC.

The only important team that I felt NBC really did ignore until the final
rotation was the Russian team -- of course, they won the gold medal!
Naturally, the focus was on the US team, but we saw lots of routines by
the Chinese, and a fair number of the Ukraine's.  Belarus was pretty much
limited to Scherbo and maybe a couple of others.

Frankly, gymnastics is tough to televise, because there's always a bunch
of things going on simultaneously.

Ed Suranyi

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by crann.. » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> It was obvious that the noise was putting
> off the other gymnasts, anyone would have thought the USA men were
> scoring straight 10's on everything!

Hey, its called home field advantage. When the Olympics are in Sydney,
do you think the crowds will not cheer on the Australians regardless of
finish?

As for the crowd noise, I'll bet you loved the women's gymnastics. It
was so loud you couldn't even hear the floor ex music. Good for
Atlanta!(at least something is going right).

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by naomi pard » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> Frankly, gymnastics is tough to televise, because there's always a bunch
> of things going on simultaneously.

Yes, I agree that there is no way to fully telivise a 4 or 6 ring circus,
but they could certainly do better than they do. If they simply moved
from event to event, without waiting around for scores and relating
anecdotes about the atheletes and breaking for fluff pieces, they could
easily show twice as many routines as they do. (Also, some routines are
longer than others. After an American completes a vault, why not switch
immediately to another apparatus, which will probably still be going on.)

Naomi

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Sk8mayv » Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I agree the men's gymnastics coverage was disgraceful. One thing that
Ukraine and Belarus can learn from this experience is not to put their men
into colors that American broadcast executives think are "not manly". The
Ukrainians wore purple and got cut almost completely. The Belarussians
wore flesh-pink and got cut except for a few spectacular routines (and
errors) from Vitaly Scherbo, about whose poor wife we kept hearing ad
nauseam -- was it really because she was so lucky to survive such a major
car crash, or was it to remind the ignorant bozos that he HAS a wife and
child?

Russia wore black & red, and we got to see a few complete routines. China
wore red and gold, and we got to see them when they did well as well as
when they messed up.

Ukraine, Belarus -- stick to the standard Olympic colors. Red, yellow,
blue, green, white, black. No purple, and no pink!


 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Lai Leo » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00


: The only important team that I felt NBC really did ignore until the final
: rotation was the Russian team -- of course, they won the gold medal!
: Naturally, the focus was on the US team, but we saw lots of routines by
: the Chinese, and a fair number of the Ukraine's.  Belarus was pretty much
: limited to Scherbo and maybe a couple of others.

        I assume lots of routines by the Chinese you refer to are the
high bar, where they show three "clips" of the fall of the Chinese
gymnasts as well as the complete routine from Li Xiaoshuang. Okay, they
also show the ring routine by Li, which he is trying to redeem himself
from the mistake in compulsory. Regarding the Ukrainian, I didn't recall
they have showed any of them prior to the last rotation, except another
"clip" of a high bar routine. Again, the Ukrainian fall from the bar!!

        After watching half of the coverage of the women team final,
which all the "clip" they showed of the Russian are those they fail
except the uneven bar by Chorkina, the pattern is very obvious: they show
their opponents' performance only if they fail. I certainly wouldn't
call this good practice of sport coverage.

: Frankly, gymnastics is tough to televise, because there's always a bunch
: of things going on simultaneously.

        It is true if they are televising the competition live. But it
is taped almost 3 hours prior to the broadcast. That is plenty of time
to re-edit the whole sequence to give fair amount of coverage for each
team, if they really intend to do so!!

: Ed Suranyi

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Brian Bo » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

       After watching half of the coverage of the women team final,
which all the "clip" they showed of the Russian are those they fail
except the uneven bar by Chorkina, the pattern is very obvious: they
show
their opponents' performance only if they fail. I certainly wouldn't
call this good practice of sport coverage.<<

Which American routine do you suggest that they do not cover.

Quote:
>>       It is true if they are televising the competition live. But it

is taped almost 3 hours prior to the broadcast. That is plenty of time
to re-edit the whole sequence to give fair amount of coverage for each
team, if they really intend to do so!!

: Ed Suranyi

This assumes that the amount of time is not finite.  Which commercial
should they mot have shown.  Which sport would you have omitted.
Imagine the calls the network would have received if they hadn't show
Domique Dawes beam routine because they chose to show the russian
instead.  For the first time in history a team from the United States
threatens for the team Gold medal and you suggest that the American
network show the efforts of another nation?  Remember TV ads are paid
for ahead of time.

Brian Boyd

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NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by eyle.. » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>         Okay, I know it is an American coverage, and the American is the
> crowd favorite, and they have a slight chance to be medalled, at least
> for a brief while, so I am fully expected that NBC is going to give a
> bigger proportion to the American Team. If NBC is going to give 50% of
> the gymnastic coverage time to the American Team, it might still be
> justified. However, what they did last night is outragous and
> ridiculous. Virtually NO TEAM other than the US is showed until the LAST
> rotation!! Completely ignoring the close battle for gold between the
> Chinese and the Russians. If they want to dramatized the competition of
> the American, at least they should show more of the Belarussian and
> Ukrainian, whom the Americans are trying to catch. Instead they only
> showed a small clip of ONE Ukrainian, not even the complete routine, and
> the clip is when the Ukrainian fall from the bar, which John Tesh
> repeatedly mentioning in order to give out the impression that the
> American are still in contention. Worse still are most of the American
> routines are really medicore. Fortunately, the Russians turn out some
> spectcular performance that are really worth showing on the high bar,
> their last apparatus. It is only this to salvage the crappy broadcast of
> NBC.

I couldn't agree with you more and emailed NBC and told them so.  They did
the same thing with the women, but since the US women were great, it made
a bit more sense.  We were forced to watch the 5th place US men stumble
through their routines and only got to see the Chinese when they
fell off equipment [ in spite of major disaster they still got the silver
so they must have done some wonderful stuff as well] and only got to see
the spectacularly graceful Russians right at the end on the high bar.

Even on the women's coverage, it would have been more interesting to see
the best of the Russians and Romanians who came so close -- instead for
the most part we saw these teams only when they failed. e.g. we saw Russians
miss mounts on the beam, fall off the parallels and crash land on the
vault --- they almost won -- they must have had many wonderful performances
that we didn't get to see.

It is disgraceful and embarrassing to Americans to have this chauvinistic
coverage.

j

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Lai Leo » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00


:        After watching half of the coverage of the women team final,
: which all the "clip" they showed of the Russian are those they fail
: except the uneven bar by Chorkina, the pattern is very obvious: they
: show
: their opponents' performance only if they fail. I certainly wouldn't
: call this good practice of sport coverage.<<

: Which American routine do you suggest that they do not cover.

: >>       It is true if they are televising the competition live. But it
: is taped almost 3 hours prior to the broadcast. That is plenty of time
: to re-edit the whole sequence to give fair amount of coverage for each
: team, if they really intend to do so!!

: : Ed Suranyi

: This assumes that the amount of time is not finite.  Which commercial
: should they mot have shown.  Which sport would you have omitted.
: Imagine the calls the network would have received if they hadn't show
: Domique Dawes beam routine because they chose to show the russian
: instead.  For the first time in history a team from the United States
: threatens for the team Gold medal and you suggest that the American
: network show the efforts of another nation?  Remember TV ads are paid
: for ahead of time.

        I never say they shouldn't show the American team and I believe
we are talking about the men team competition here. The only reason I
bring up the women coverage is to point out the pattern of NBC to show
the fall of the other countries only. If time limit is such a crucial
issue for NBC not to show other countires, how come they have all the
time to show the mistakes they made. If you said that is the pressure
from the TV ads, are you suggesting that American viewer like to see the
fall of their opponent only? I thought even the least civilized American
has more class than that.

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Charles Owe » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> This assumes that the amount of time is not finite.  Which commercial
> should they mot have shown.  Which sport would you have omitted.
> Imagine the calls the network would have received if they hadn't show
> Domique Dawes beam routine because they chose to show the russian
> instead.  For the first time in history a team from the United States
> threatens for the team Gold medal and you suggest that the American
> network show the efforts of another nation?  Remember TV ads are paid
> for ahead of time.

I agree that the US team coverage should have come first, but
they did a lot of fill when they could have shown other team
performances.  They could fit them in when they wanted to (like
when someone fell), but the rest of the time we got closeups of
atheletes wrapping their wrists.  

What made me really mad was not getting scores if the performance
was before a commercial.  They ran the commercial and forgot about
the score when they came back.  Also, they NEVER ran the final
tallys at all.

--
Charles B. Owen

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Steve Moli » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Thanks for the insight.  Its interesting to hear how others
outside the USA get to view the Olympics.  I'd be interested to
hear your observations for the women's team event also, since
the crowd will no doubt be much louder than that at the men's
competition.

It does seem that one of the disadvantages of having all of the
teams on a different appartus at the same time is that the crowd
is only watching the US gymnastics (in this case).  I recall one
case last night when a Russian completely and impressive beam
routine, raised her arms in the air, and there was virtually no
applause because the crowd obviously wasn't watching or couldn't
afford to cheer as they wouldn't want to influence the judges ...

Quote:
>==========Lucy, 7/23/96==========
>We had better coverage in the UK - without any team in the competition
>I guess the producers could choose the full range of teams and
apparatus.

>But I have to say the American crowds in the stadium ruined the viewing
>for me on more than one occasion. I could have understood them getting
>that e***d if the USA team were winning, or were trying for bronze,
>but they were in 5th place! It was obvious that the noise was putting
>off the other gymnasts, anyone would have thought the USA men were
>scoring straight 10's on everything!

>At least I have no complaints about the coverage though, the BBC had it
>right because they mostly showed China and Russia (50% between them)
>and all the Vitaly Scherbo performances, as well as a fair selection
>from the other teams.

>It's probably going to get worse for the women's events as the USA team
>really do have a great chance of gold.

>Lucy
>(usual disclaimer)

Steve Molis
NCR Corporation

 
 
 

NBC coverage of the Men Team Gymnastic is a disgrace !!!!

Post by Yousuf Zafa » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Instead they only
> showed a small clip of ONE Ukrainian, not even the complete routine, and
> the clip is when the Ukrainian fall from the bar, which John Tesh
> repeatedly mentioning in order to give out the impression that the
> American are still in contention.

please excuse the incessant ramblings of john tesh. we at
rec.sport.olympics theorize that he is an alien. he is, in fact, the
first of many extra-terrestrial invaders who plan to suffocate us with
mindless fluff and drivel.